F14-T- Development & News

[tifosi1993]

Sakhir International Circuit, Bahrain (20/02/2014)

[medeni73]

Story about turbo shield is far from over it seems.
According to AMuS Mercedes and Renault teams might officialy protest in Melbourne. FIA said its OK for Ferrari not to have that extra 3kg shield but other teams still arent satisfied with it so there are 2 possible solutions: official protest which would lead to hearings and legal thins and would take almost 6 months making championship results provisional OR
Ferrari might put that extra shield and make everybody happy...
I surely hope we wont budge from our point of view even if it means big legal battle...

source in german:
http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/f...t-8065430.html

[Hornet]

If the FIA says it's ok, then we did nothing wrong and we should not budge.

If Renault and Merc want to drag the sport to court like a sore loser, so be it. Not our fault.

[RedPassion]

Story about turbo shield is far from over it seems.
According to AMuS Mercedes and Renault teams might officialy protest in Melbourne. FIA said its OK for Ferrari not to have that extra 3kg shield but other teams still arent satisfied with it so there are 2 possible solutions: official protest which would lead to hearings and legal thins and would take almost 6 months making championship results provisional OR
Ferrari might put that extra shield and make everybody happy...
I surely hope we wont budge from our point of view even if it means big legal battle...

source in german:
http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/f...t-8065430.html

very good sign,that means that they are scaried of our package,there is quite normal by this stage the normal sort of political jamming to distract the other team,we should be expect everything by melbourne,on the other side we have an alibi if we are going to block any request from Renault by saying that they were first on attacking us.We should stay on our line and stay away from what other ones may do by protest each other,we are not the other ones,WE ARE FERRARI.

[shamim179]

very good sign,that means that they are scaried of our package,there is quite normal by this stage the normal sort of political jamming to distract the other team,we should be expect everything by melbourne,on the other side we have an alibi if we are going to block any request from Renault by saying that they were first on attacking us.We should stay on our line and stay away from what other ones may do by protest each other,we are not the other ones,WE ARE FERRARI.

It all sounds good but remember we have a very compliant Stefano!

[Nero Horse]

Story about turbo shield is far from over it seems.
According to AMuS Mercedes and Renault teams might officialy protest in Melbourne. FIA said its OK for Ferrari not to have that extra 3kg shield but other teams still arent satisfied with it so there are 2 possible solutions: official protest which would lead to hearings and legal thins and would take almost 6 months making championship results provisional OR
Ferrari might put that extra shield and make everybody happy...
I surely hope we wont budge from our point of view even if it means big legal battle...

source in german:
http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/f...t-8065430.html

Oooh yes, I like that! That means that they're scared of us, just like back in the good old days (1999-2004) when almost every season some jealous team tried to protest something against us. Let them protest all they want, if we haven't done anything wrong and FIA says that it's ok, then we have absolutely nothing to worry about.

[Kingdom Hearts]

Story about turbo shield is far from over it seems.
According to AMuS Mercedes and Renault teams might officialy protest in Melbourne. FIA said its OK for Ferrari not to have that extra 3kg shield but other teams still arent satisfied with it so there are 2 possible solutions: official protest which would lead to hearings and legal thins and would take almost 6 months making championship results provisional OR
Ferrari might put that extra shield and make everybody happy...
I surely hope we wont budge from our point of view even if it means big legal battle...

source in german:
http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/f...t-8065430.html

Don't get it, if FIA already said is OK, what do they expect to gain with another protest?.

[tifosi1993]

Sakhir International Circuit, Bahrain (20/02/2014)



Flow-viz applied to the RW:

[Tifoso]

I know that I haven't said this yet () but the front of that car is nauseatingly ugly. Oh well, as long as it wins...

[Nero Horse]

I know that I haven't said this yet () but the front of that car is nauseatingly ugly. Oh well, as long as it wins...

It's not that bad, much better looking than all the penis nosed cars (Mclaren, Toro Rosso, Force India, Sauber, Caterham) or the hideous tusk nose car of Lotus, now those are truly nauseatingly ugly cars.

[Ferris]

I must say I was shocked at first with the nose but it kind of grows on you. I agree with Nero, there are much uglier cars out there. The only good looking car is the Merc and RB solution looks good also.

It's all secondary anyway. If it's fast and reliable, it will be beautiful.

[Avantifer12]

Look at the upwash formed by the hot air and exhaust gasses and thats without a monkey seat, imagine that with a monkey seat (quite hot). Looks like teams will find some extra DF from the upwash formed by the exhaust gasses combined with a monkey seat. The mechanic who operates the rear jack will literally be in the hot spot.

(Via Scarbs)

[Ferris]

As for the issue with the turbo housing, Ferrari has already been given approval for the current spec Turbo and housing. They should not strengthen the housing further just to keep our competitors happy but rather have a stronger housing in place as a precaution only.

If there is any safety issue then they can quickly implement the stronger housing as a safety update which will be easy to prove, firstly because our competitors are already telling us to change it due to "safety" and secondly we would only want to change it if there was a proven safety issue in which case the FIA will approve immediately and it wont cause us any problems.

Hopefully Stefano is thinking along these lines and strategy.

[f1tomi8]

Look at the upwash formed by the hot air and exhaust gasses and thats without a monkey seat, imagine that with a monkey seat (quite hot). Looks like teams will find some extra DF from the upwash formed by the exhaust gasses combined with a monkey seat. The mechanic who operates the rear jack will literally be in the hot spot.

(Via Scarbs)

[Avantifer12]

Attachment 5728

Beautiful shot. You can't really see the upwash as clear here but you can tell that the monkey seat has brought some of it in an upward direction towards the airflow coming from the rear wing and creating little extra negative pressure behind the central part of the rear wing.

[Rob]

bella bella

[Tifoso]

bella bella

Except that nose. Reminds of the Williams walrus of a few years back. *sigh*

As long as it is a winner...

[Forzi]

I know that I haven't said this yet () but the front of that car is nauseatingly ugly. Oh well, as long as it wins...

Does look a bit disturbing when looking from an angle. Seems really wavy. Though the nose looks decent enough from the front... and rear

[PadGeT]

Well i can't see any signs of upwash from dis pic, but it does give a beautiful shot of overcut in the sidepod region, a welcome gain. In words of James Allison - All teams up and down the pitlane will be shamefully copying ideas from their rivals. Mercedes have already started i guess, so dats saying something about their confidence. I still worry about Red Bull, they are gonna be the benchmark in design philosophy this year also. Hope i am wrong tho

[wacc]

http://www.formula1.com/wi/enlarge/0x0/popup/sutton/2013/dcd1420fe208.jpg

Ah finally something new on the car, they have added monkey seat.

[bondilad]

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1...bourne-opener/

seems like ferrari lost the advantage it had over other engines. They plan to strengthen the turbo shield. It's too late for the others to do modifications to their engines before 28 Feb so we need to compromise. Don't understand why we can't stand by our decision.

[Kyss4k]

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1...bourne-opener/

seems like ferrari lost the advantage it had over other engines. They plan to strengthen the turbo shield. It's too late for the others to do modifications to their engines before 28 Feb so we need to compromise. Don't understand why we can't stand by our decision.

FIA said it's ok, so we should stand behind that. We can't let ourselves to be frightened by competition playing tricks.

[bondilad]

FIA said it's ok, so we should stand behind that. We can't let ourselves to be frightened by competition playing tricks.

Exactly. I hope we stay firm on this one.

[Ste]

Protest against Ferrari engines looms for Australia

The possible threat of protest is now hanging over next month's season opener in Australia. We reported a month ago that a dispute was brewing between F1 engine suppliers Ferrari, Mercedes and Renault. The dispute is about the protective covering on the top of Ferrari's turbo unit, weighing in at a crucial 3 kilograms lighter than the ones fitted on the Mercedes and Renault units.

Mercedes and Renault argue that Ferrari's cover needs to be more substantial for safety reasons in the event of a dangerous turbo failure, but Ferrari's explanation was initially accepted by the governing FIA. Reportedly, Ferrari's setup mitigates the need for a heavier cover because the turbo shuts down at even the slightest sign of failure.

"Mercedes and Renault are not satisfied that the FIA is satisfied," said Auto Motor und Sport correspondent Michael Schmidt. "Either Ferrari builds a stronger cover, or there could be a protest (against the results) in Melbourne," he added.

Another option is also being considered by Renault and Mercedes: copying the Ferrari solution and thereby saving 3 kilograms in crucial car weight. "The time until homologation on 28 February is however too short," Schmidt explained."In the paddock it is now rumoured that Ferrari is strengthening the turbo housing to be on the safe side." (GMM)

[Rob]

Loads of rubbish. Our turbo housing, is strong enough already. As the engineers wouldnt of designed and built it if they didnt think, or tested it to be strong and safe enough.

Merc, Renault got their backs up as they didnt think of the same solution.

[Rishu]

Time for FiA to show some consistency. If Ferrari solution is deemed legal & safe, there is reason for Renault & Merc to protest. Interpretation & staying within the boundary is the name of the game. Silverstone 2011 springs to my mind. Domenicali gave the green light to RB for running the questionable engine maps, time for him to stand up & be a strong man

[Hornet]

Another option is also being considered by Renault and Mercedes: copying the Ferrari solution and thereby saving 3 kilograms in crucial car weight. "The time until homologation on 28 February is however too short," Schmidt explained."In the paddock it is now rumoured that Ferrari is strengthening the turbo housing to be on the safe side." (GMM)

I'm curious, say if Ferrari decided to put the extra shield, is there anything that stops the other two manufacturer from removing theirs just before the homologation dateline?

[peta_w]

I'm curious, say if Ferrari decided to put the extra shield, is there anything that stops the other two manufacturer from removing theirs just before the homologation dateline?

On the Merc and Renault the shield isn't part of the engine homologation. The Ferrari meets the safety requirement within the turbo and therefore it is part of the engine homologation. Therefore the answer to your question is, until they changed their turbo to have the same instant shutdown and harder turbo casing and then got that homologated they could not stop using their shields.

[Hornet]

On the Merc and Renault the shield isn't part of the engine homologation. The Ferrari meets the safety requirement within the turbo and therefore it is part of the engine homologation. Therefore the answer to your question is, until they changed their turbo to have the same instant shutdown and harder turbo casing and then got that homologated they could not stop using their shields.

I see. Thanks for the explanation

[tifosi1993]

Sakhir International Circuit, Bahrain (21/02/2014)