F14-T- Development & News

[f1tomi8]

Filming day via Ferrari

[RedRebel40]

AMuS reports that Alonso was fastest on the straight with 336.4 kph follwed by Magnussen (330.8 kph) and Massa (327.2kph).

a new twitter source says that there was a glitch in the Ferrari transponder and the speed is not 336 but 309.

source: https://twitter.com/Alex_Alonsista/s...95919861567488

[hrc5555]

When are we supposed to have an engine update?

[SilverSpeed]

Not, I think they just boost it more or give it more RPM .

[SinanOzerS]

According to Gary Anderson, F1's recent pecking order is Mercedes-Mclaren-Force India-Ferrari-Williams-Sauber-Lotus-STR-Red Bull-Caterham-Marussia.

[f300v10]

I read at AUMS that Mercedes and Ferrari have taken different approaches to testing the power units so far. Mercedes has been using full power since testing started. With two top level teams and two good 'second tear teams' (Force India and Williams) using the Mercedes, they were likely less concerned if one of them broke down. Ferrari on the other hand has started with lower power and has been increasing it as they gain knowledge and get some miles on the unit. Ferrari went more conservative to ensure they got milage without breaking anything at the start of testing since its basically just them and Sauber. I can only assume that in the last test Ferrari will turn the wick up to full power. That along with the aero updates will finally show how the F14T compares with the Mercedes and McLaren.

[f300v10]

We all know that Gary Anderson if full of crap, and always dumps on Ferrari. That said, if you swap Ferrari and Force India I think he is close to correct.

[PadGeT]

According to Gary Anderson, F1's recent pecking order is Mercedes-Mclaren-Force India-Ferrari-Williams-Sauber-Lotus-STR-Red Bull-Caterham-Marussia.

Placing Red Bull behind STR , why end it der, place dem after Caterham & Marussia for dat matter
The guy must be bored out of his mind..

[zike]

According to Gary Anderson, F1's recent pecking order is Mercedes-Mclaren-Force India-Ferrari-Williams-Sauber-Lotus-STR-Red Bull-Caterham-Marussia.

hahahahahahaha, this guy is nuts he is placing Force India in front of a Ferrari and STR in front of RB

[tifosi1993]

[stefa]

According to Gary Anderson, F1's recent pecking order is Mercedes-Mclaren-Force India-Ferrari-Williams-Sauber-Lotus-STR-Red Bull-Caterham-Marussia.

This guy is a joke!

[brawnydog]

According to Gary Anderson, F1's recent pecking order is Mercedes-Mclaren-Force India-Ferrari-Williams-Sauber-Lotus-STR-Red Bull-Caterham-Marussia.

He could put Ferrari last, for all I care. It means nothing at this stage. Time and time again, we've seen how little the times of pre-season testing mean to the overall picture of the full season. I wouldn't dare put Red Bull near the bottom. Once they resolve their issues, I'll bet they'll resurface near the top again.

I guess Gary is simply basing his logic on pre-season results. If that's the case, then I do agree with him. But, why even do that? Red Bull, the 3rd worse team for the season? Please!

[ferrari4life]

There is nothing wrong with his logic to put Redbull near the bottom. Remember we went from 4 years of dominance to 3rd from the bottom in 2005.
Also what else is he going to base his opinions on but testing results. Its not like the teams have to file secret reports to him to let them know where they stand. Unless Ferrari have some ace up their sleeve I doubt they have any reason to sandbag when testing oppurtunites are so limited. By guess is thats about where we are in the pecking order.
The hope for the season is not that Ferrari somehow find some great speed all of a sudden with 2 weeks to go but hopefully with the new rules and our brilliant drivers (or just driver) we find a way to make strategy work come race day.

[Tony]

I read at AUMS that Mercedes and Ferrari have taken different approaches to testing the power units so far. Mercedes has been using full power since testing started. With two top level teams and two good 'second tear teams' (Force India and Williams) using the Mercedes, they were likely less concerned if one of them broke down. Ferrari on the other hand has started with lower power and has been increasing it as they gain knowledge and get some miles on the unit. Ferrari went more conservative to ensure they got milage without breaking anything at the start of testing since its basically just them and Sauber. I can only assume that in the last test Ferrari will turn the wick up to full power. That along with the aero updates will finally show how the F14T compares with the Mercedes and McLaren.

I'm curious though as to why they wouldn't push the engine to the levels they were expecting in a race weekend during the first test (possibly on the last day)? If there was a problem with the engine at a higher RPM that would have given them time to analyze and potentially fix the problem and then test it in the following tests. If they wait until the last test to do this, there surely wont be enough time to fix it and track test it again before they arrive in Australia?

I am a bit confused by all of the reports that are out there at the moment...

[PadGeT]

Flow viz on the floor

Where is the flow-viz mate?

[brawnydog]

There is nothing wrong with his logic to put Redbull near the bottom. Remember we went from 4 years of dominance to 3rd from the bottom in 2005.
Also what else is he going to base his opinions on but testing results. Its not like the teams have to file secret reports to him to let them know where they stand. Unless Ferrari have some ace up their sleeve I doubt they have any reason to sandbag when testing oppurtunites are so limited. By guess is thats about where we are in the pecking order.
The hope for the season is not that Ferrari somehow find some great speed all of a sudden with 2 weeks to go but hopefully with the new rules and our brilliant drivers (or just driver) we find a way to make strategy work come race day.

Ferrari was 3rd from the top, not from the bottom. Also, Ferrari hasn't started testing speed yet, so why not wait until we get true performance results from them. Also, you're saying the same thing that I was. Yes, the pecking order for pre-season times are correct according to Gary. My point is, I doubt that will be the order during the regular season. I don't think Ferrari will be classified under Force India, nor do I think Red Bull will be classified 3rd from the "bottom"; maybe 3rd from the "top". They can't be that bad. Come on!

[brawnydog]

I'm curious though as to why they wouldn't push the engine to the levels they were expecting in a race weekend during the first test (possibly on the last day)? If there was a problem with the engine at a higher RPM that would have given them time to analyze and potentially fix the problem and then test it in the following tests. If they wait until the last test to do this, there surely wont be enough time to fix it and track test it again before they arrive in Australia?

I am a bit confused by all of the reports that are out there at the moment...

One can do a tremendous amount of extreme engine testing on the dyno. Ferrari must know the reliability of their engine quite well already. So, their focus is on other aspects like fuel consumption and reliability in other areas. Don't forget, Ferrari engines have been some of the most reliable in recent history.

[Kiwi Nick]

I'm curious though as to why they wouldn't push the engine to the levels they were expecting in a race weekend during the first test (possibly on the last day)? If there was a problem with the engine at a higher RPM that would have given them time to analyze and potentially fix the problem and then test it in the following tests. If they wait until the last test to do this, there surely wont be enough time to fix it and track test it again before they arrive in Australia?

I am a bit confused by all of the reports that are out there at the moment...

My thoughts exactly. Heaven help Ferrari if they discover on Saturday that there is a problem at high RPM. Lots of testing regimes subject components to "over use" to make sure that they do not fail before the anticipated maximum service level of use. Renault seem to have problems at high RPM and are working on it. If none of their teams had run at high RPM they might not know of the problem.

All we can do now is wait and trust that the engine engineers have gotten it right.

[f1tomi8]

Where is the flow-viz mate?

on the floor /white/

[Rosso Corsa]

on the floor /white/

I think that's the white line at the edge of the track.

[PadGeT]

on the floor /white/

No it isn't da flow viz.. i would say that is the white marker line of the circuit.
Look carefully and u can see the hublot sticker on the floor. If there was flow-viz it wouldn't be visible

[hrc5555]

I'm curious though as to why they wouldn't push the engine to the levels they were expecting in a race weekend during the first test (possibly on the last day)? If there was a problem with the engine at a higher RPM that would have given them time to analyze and potentially fix the problem and then test it in the following tests. If they wait until the last test to do this, there surely wont be enough time to fix it and track test it again before they arrive in Australia?

I am a bit confused by all of the reports that are out there at the moment...

If I remember correctly, Stefano told us before Jerez that our engine can run up to 14500 RPM (it was about 3 weeks ago...) without any problems. The reason why we are not using that much RPM, or we are using 100hp less than we should, could be the cooling issues. We had some holes on car that were not supposed to be there, so that could be the reason why we are not able to push the engine to the limit.
My optimistic opinion is that with major upgrade for car the cooling issues will be solved and than we will be able to push.
May be I am wrong...

Any way, just hope that we will kick some asses in Melbourne!

[f300v10]

I'm curious though as to why they wouldn't push the engine to the levels they were expecting in a race weekend during the first test (possibly on the last day)? If there was a problem with the engine at a higher RPM that would have given them time to analyze and potentially fix the problem and then test it in the following tests. If they wait until the last test to do this, there surely wont be enough time to fix it and track test it again before they arrive in Australia?

I am a bit confused by all of the reports that are out there at the moment...

I don't think the RPM of the V6 part of the unit was where they were being conservative. It has more to do with using the energy store (i.e. the battery) at full capability. There is considerably more energy flow both into and out of the battery than with the previous KERS units.

[djmorin27]

hey that is not flo wiz who ever posted that pic its the white stripe on the edge of the track.i cant see any on the floor.it does not look like they were running any on that lap

[erikejw]

My thoughts exactly. Heaven help Ferrari if they discover on Saturday that there is a problem at high RPM. Lots of testing regimes subject components to "over use" to make sure that they do not fail before the anticipated maximum service level of use. Renault seem to have problems at high RPM and are working on it. If none of their teams had run at high RPM they might not know of the problem.

All we can do now is wait and trust that the engine engineers have gotten it right.

We know from dyno that they will work in high RPM.
We need all other info but high RPM.

Why risk a failure and loose 4-6 hours of testing? Engines are very difficult to replace this year.
Even if we are confident in the engine there is not a single reason to take small risks and lose out, look at RB.

What we do need it aero data(new wind tunnel). Setup work with mechanical components, any data that we cannot sample on the dyno.

[mirafiori]

My thoughts exactly. Heaven help Ferrari if they discover on Saturday that there is a problem at high RPM. Lots of testing regimes subject components to "over use" to make sure that they do not fail before the anticipated maximum service level of use. Renault seem to have problems at high RPM and are working on it. If none of their teams had run at high RPM they might not know of the problem.

All we can do now is wait and trust that the engine engineers have gotten it right.

We have had information Ferrari have tested engine at 13.500 revs with no issues and can run even harder with no issues, Ferrari have said 13,500 revs would be the optimum range during a race taking fuel consumption into consideration.

[Jose-Lorca Fan]

on the floor /white/

Hahahahaha, you can't be serious?!

[mark p]

I'm curious though as to why they wouldn't push the engine to the levels they were expecting in a race weekend during the first test (possibly on the last day)? If there was a problem with the engine at a higher RPM that would have given them time to analyze and potentially fix the problem and then test it in the following tests. If they wait until the last test to do this, there surely wont be enough time to fix it and track test it again before they arrive in Australia?

I am a bit confused by all of the reports that are out there at the moment...

True if you were only engine testing but if they blew an engine and lost time for checking amongst other things correlation with new wind tunnel. This approach is hedging your bets. They are likely confident engine runs full power but better to test at less power to enable checking all other aspects with less risk and they are still getting very important data on the engine. Any small engine issues can be seen without breaking anything and changed before moving power up a level. Seems logical to me I mean of you drive a road for the 1st time you don't go flat out without knowing when the next corners come up.

[stefa]

on the floor /white/

This is so NO flow wiz! It is the white line on the track!

[Ferris]

True if you were only engine testing but if they blew an engine and lost time for checking amongst other things correlation with new wind tunnel. This approach is hedging your bets. They are likely confident engine runs full power but better to test at less power to enable checking all other aspects with less risk and they are still getting very important data on the engine. Any small engine issues can be seen without breaking anything and changed before moving power up a level. Seems logical to me I mean of you drive a road for the 1st time you don't go flat out without knowing when the next corners come up.

Spot on!

We are not going for lap times, so no need to push the engine. Correlation is the key to the first part of testing.
Merc don't have this wind tunnel issue so they can push their engine harder as this is where they are at in their car evaluation.

Next week will tell us a lot.