F14-T- Development & News

[Majki2111]

Where did you find that statement?

[Forzi]

There's nothing on Autosport saying thing...

It's from the forums of autosport.com in the ferrari thread. Seems it's been on italian tv a few days back. Not really sure wheres the correct source. Somewhere from scuderia.net. Can't really dig in to this as im now writting from a mobile and am busy. Anyone wanna try finding the source and if stefano really said it on tv?

[Majki2111]

It's from the forums of autosport.com in the ferrari thread. Seems it's been on italian tv a few days back. Not really sure wheres the correct source. Somewhere from scuderia.net. Can really dig in to this as im now wwritting from a mobile and am buisy. Anyone wanna try finding the source and if stefano really said it on tv?

I only see F14T threat. LOL

[windwaves]

Very few things to be taken seriously out of that forum and certainly not that one.

[pluto]

From Autosport:
"Domenicalli just said to an italian tv what any wise fan already realized from testing:"

lol, lets hope these comments are fabricated because if they are a true it means the car is horrible in every single way, and is a complete mule. It cant be this bad, lacking, traction, power, down force, poor fuel consumption, tyre degradation. It sounds like someone describing a maruissia.

[Nova]

Looking closer at the different nose designs pic'd in another thread, Ferrari n Merc noses are close,
although the mercs is higher allowing more air, looking at the F14's, it looks as though its nose doesnt have free airflow but its as if they found something
whereas the air is squeezed thru and around that design nose, almost as if the air squeezed thru the back of the nose design would exit said design w/much higher force than a more open design, creating a stronger airflow exit toward wherever they are intending it to go. Cant help myself, as Ive been looking at the F14T nose since it came out trying to understand what they r trying to do. Looking at the Newey design, they have the most traditional looking nose of the bunch, and not that different than last years. Both they and lotus used the step design nose last year

[Laferrari]

GA is a ferrari hater...Last year , he said Mclaren was very fast...:D.
I hope we will blow out everyone like the 2002 and 2004 .

[Paulpg87]

The comments there are just a summary from italian media (tv, web, etc.) of what they have been told so far and i've made and posted in the testing thread. If they are reporting it elsewhere as domenical words ... well they are just a bunch of idiots cause.
Domenicali in tv just said that we seems to be behind mercedes and williams and we have to work on batteries tuning software for ers. All the other comments i reported are rumors from differents media.

[Forzi]

Actually these comments were already posted a few days back in the Bahrain threat:

Ferrari faster on the straights to save fuel? Transleted please!

Do not write a lot...here just a summary of what i've read on italian newspapers and heard on tv about Ferrari. That's a pity cause are just bad news.

- we have problems with rear tyre degradation
- engine too aggressive and too much torque
- we have problems running batteries at full power and we run during tests without full power (not cause we wanted to but cause we weren't able to do so)
- we lack in traction in slow corners and downforce in high speed corners
- we must run low downforce due to fuel consumption.
- Our engine has higher consumption and we are forced to run low downforce to reduce drag. In fact we recorded top speed but we are slow in cornering.
- Overall rumors agree we are far behind mercedes (more than 1s)
- Domenical in tv said we are behind mercedes and williams.. and not by a small margin. Focus is already on catching the competition.

just reporting guys, not my opinion

So it was copied from here to Autosport, and then back to here on a different thread. Did a circle

[Forzi]

When you think, a lot of things do fit in. We do have battery problems, hence why we are consuming more fuel to make up for the loss, hence why we would go for low downforce levels and that's why we have such a high speed. Things do fit in and the priority problem is our batteries that causes most of this.

The bit that we got rear tire degradation seems fitting too. We do seem to have some problems in the power delivery to the rear wheels. Multiple videos show that we do have a rather twitchy rear and a lot of trackside people said it too and we have a few clips of of us spinning.

[Paulpg87]

Actually these comments were already posted a few days back in the Bahrain threat:





So it was copied from here to Autosport, and then back to here on a different thread. Did a circle

yes but are just speculations. yesterday they were already saying that we are very fast and we have just to fix ers to gain on mercedes

[Laferrari]

PitLaneTalk ‏@KomivesP 31s

Ferrari were running the ERS at 120hp capacity instead of the full 160 in Bahrain. They're unable to control the full power boost right now.



PitLaneTalk ‏@KomivesP 28s

Montezemolo says it's a software issue, which should be solved by Melbourne. Ferrari are also bringing various upgrades.. #F1 #Formula1

[Paulpg87]

PitLaneTalk ‏@KomivesP 31s

Ferrari were running the ERS at 120hp capacity instead of the full 160 in Bahrain. They're unable to control the full power boost right now.



PitLaneTalk ‏@KomivesP 28s

Montezemolo says it's a software issue, which should be solved by Melbourne. Ferrari are also bringing various upgrades.. #F1 #Formula1

yes, it has been said by media here and that's why all they are saying Mercedes has HP advantage of circa 45hp, which is true right now. However we have recorded top speed of the test due to low downforce setup while Mercedes was running at higher downforce configuration .. and so they are also saying that we are forced to do so due to fuel consumptions in order to reduce drag. Yes Montezemolo said is a software issue but never said it should be fixed by melbourne.

[f300v10]

There is no evidence at all of Ferrari running a low downforce setup. The rear wings used at all the tests were of a high downforce specification. I have looked at hundreds of photos of the F14T taken during the tests, and none reveal a 'low downforce' setup. The fact that the Ferrari was 5 kph faster than the Williams does not mean the F14T was running lower downforce. Perhaps the Ferrari DRS desig gives a higher top speed. Maybe when allowed to run at full power the Ferrari has more power than the Mercedes. Maybe its due to the more efficient cooling system on the F14T giving less drag, we just don't know. But a 'low downforce' setup was not used.

[Paulpg87]

There is no evidence at all of Ferrari running a low downforce setup. The rear wings used at all the tests were of a high downforce specification. I have looked at hundreds of photos of the F14T taken during the tests, and none reveal a 'low downforce' setup. The fact that the Ferrari was 5 kph faster than the Williams does not mean the F14T was running lower downforce. Perhaps the Ferrari DRS desig gives a higher top speed. Maybe when allowed to run at full power the Ferrari has more power than the Mercedes. Maybe its due to the more efficient cooling system on the F14T giving less drag, we just don't know. But a 'low downforce' setup was not used.

yes, could be.. personally i don't know, i just reported what has been written. Just hope we are in a good shape in australia.

[Laferrari]

yes, could be.. personally i don't know, i just reported what has been written. Just hope we are in a good shape in australia.

One week and we will know wat is the true.
There is no low configuration , just pure speculation from newspaper.No one know what is the true pace of all cars.
Redbull is still on top of aero , because of the same philosophy of the F1.So they still have a edge over the field.Mercedes are always the fastest on testing 2 years in row.
I predict a close battle between us and mercedes for the beginning of the season after that redbull will be there but i can t imagine them blow everyone because they are 2 month behind in developpement so it s very difficult to get back.

[Silent Bob]

I wonder why none of these experts has mentioned the fact that the high top speed and slow lap time could just be due to trying different gear ratios. Lower numerical gear ratios will give you a good top end if the motor has the grunt but will lose time in slower sections. Could be that simple, but everyone seems to be suggesting season ending problems. Also I struggle to see how some of the other complaints make sense. If our engine is too aggressive, maybe that is the cause of the lack of traction and tire degradation? then we turn down the boost, save fuel and tires. I'm sure this is a mapping issue but I don't think the car can be bad in all of these areas.

[Gerhard Berger]

One week and we will know wat is the true.
There is no low configuration , just pure speculation from newspaper.No one know what is the true pace of all cars.
Redbull is still on top of aero , because of the same philosophy of the F1.So they still have a edge over the field.Mercedes are always the fastest on testing 2 years in row.
I predict a close battle between us and mercedes for the beginning of the season after that redbull will be there but i can t imagine them blow everyone because they are 2 month behind in developpement so it s very difficult to get back.

We don't know if Red Bull is still on top of aero. The engine changes alot of things (packaging, sidepod shape and size, air intake, cooling requirements which all have a knock on effect aerodynamically). Additionally, the exhaust rules changed which will hurt red Bull as they were the best team at using exhaust gases to seal the diffuser.

[Jas]

I would still say red bull are head of aero, their car...all be it stood still...looks fantastic!

[Jas]

Pirelli has released its in-season testing schedule, detailing when teams will work with the tyre manufacturer during test days this year.

In 2013 Pirelli suffered a series of tyre failures during race weekends, which highlighted the lack of on-track testing available to the tyre manufacturer. The situation became contentious when Pirelli undertook a series of private tests with teams - one of which involved an up-to-date Mercedes and was investigated by an FIA tribunal.

Under this year's regulations all 11 teams must dedicate one in-season test day to working on the development of Pirelli's tyres in a bid to ensure the tyre manufacturer has sufficient mileage to develop its products. At the final pre-season test in Bahrain, Pirelli and the teams agreed on the schedule for the in-season tests taking place after certain races this season.


Bahrain test (8-9 April)
Day 1 CATERHAM
Day 2 MERCEDES and WILLIAMS

Barcelona test (13-14 May)
Day 1 SAUBER and TORO ROSSO
Day 2 McLAREN and FORCE INDIA

Silverstone test (8-9 July)
Day 1 FERRARI and LOTUS
Day 2 RED BULL and MARUSSIA




At the final in-season test in Abu Dhabi, Pirelli will bring prototype tyres in preparation for a ban on tyre warmers in 2015.

Read more at http://en.espnf1.com/f1/motorsport/s...gEITFLjCh92.99

[ferrari4life]

how many inseason testing days are available to us outside of these pirelli tests?

[Jas]

how many inseason testing days are available to us outside of these pirelli tests?

4...the above are the inseason test for us...just that one day they will focus on one team as stated!

[Senna4Ever]

We don't know if Red Bull is still on top of aero. .

According to reports from Button who got overtook from Ric during testing ... they are! Button said had never seen something like that ... I try to search the realted posting here in this forum ...

Link

[Gerhard Berger]

I would still say red bull are head of aero, their car...all be it stood still...looks fantastic!

I'm not talking about aesthetics.

[Gerhard Berger]

According to reports from Button who got overtook from Ric during testing ... they are! Button said had never seen something like that ... I try to search the realted posting here in this forum ...

Link

This is the same Button who said the F150 Italia looked miles ahead of the competition. we all know how that one turned out.

Red Bull currently have a car which overheats. Until they revise their rear bodywork in order to get certain components the right amount of cooling, then they will struggle to finish races. Pretty pointless having such a tight rear end when it means the car overheats and won't finish the race.

[Kiwi Nick]

According to reports from Button who got overtook from Ric during testing ... they are! Button said had never seen something like that ... I try to search the realted posting here in this forum ...

Link

Was that on Ric's first or last lap? Ooops! They were the same lap. But seriously, To be fast with an aero package that is so tight that the mechanical and electrical components overheat fail is no to be fast.

[Senna4Ever]

This is the same Button who said the F150 Italia looked miles ahead of the competition. we all know how that one turned out.

Red Bull currently have a car which overheats. Until they revise their rear bodywork in order to get certain components the right amount of cooling, then they will struggle to finish races. Pretty pointless having such a tight rear end when it means the car overheats and won't finish the race.

Yes, the same Button ;)
But one thing for certain: he is driving F1 car and I am only watching ...

Let's wait and see: before the 1st half of the season isn't over I think it is much too early to count RB off ... They know Aero best and as soon as they have their overheating solved we better be far ahead of them ...

[blaney1977]

Im watching the f1 show on sky f1 hd and its really bummimg up the merc and the merc engines while again commenting on the apparently thirsty ferrari engine. I suppose there only commenting on what there seeing and what the stopwatch says. I just hope we are hiding a bit off speed and were sandbagging a bit. Worst case scenario is we are 3rd with issues that we can sort before melbourne. Whats everyones thoughts on it?

[Ferrari Man]

Im watching the f1 show on sky f1 hd and its really bummimg up the merc and the merc engines while again commenting on the apparently thirsty ferrari engine. I suppose there only commenting on what there seeing and what the stopwatch says. I just hope we are hiding a bit off speed and were sandbagging a bit. Worst case scenario is we are 3rd with issues that we can sort before melbourne. Whats everyones thoughts on it?

Ye watchin it too. It's gonna be a steep learning curve this year so if we start third we can easily improve with a working wind tunnel...

[Ferrari Man]

Ted beating down on Ferrari again saying we will be third fastest in qualifying in Austrailia and in the race we ll fall down the order to tenth place with our fuel saving during the race with all the merc in the top spot...