F14-T- Development & News

[Nova]

RB may have to increase their sidepods. Nice renderings..but they look like 2007 nose w/2013 sidepods.

[Kyss4k]

Thought they raised the noses this year on the cars for safety? Next years cars with lower front noses look like a perfect ramp for another car to launch onto the car and then the driver!!

The exact opposite Construtors went for higher noses because it has the benefit in getting more air under the car. But it was not safe (high nose cen get over the wheel easily and that can launch the car in the air) so FIA decided that in 2012 the noses has to be lower - duck noses were created. In 2013 they only alowed to use vanity panel to make the noses prettier, so it looks like the became higher. Low noses == safer noses.

[RedRebel40]

Biggest advantage of Newey is being very creative with new rules, I keep my fingers crossed for 2014...

[wisepie]

That pea-shooter of an exhaust looks pathetic on the rendering, hope that's not an omen for our power output.

[paneristi]

...and we become Yoga masters.

SD is sounding to me like Mighty Yoda from Star Wars COME WE NEED TO KEEP, AND CARRY ON WE SHALL.

Talks like Yoda, looks like Yoda, manages like mamaluke

[Rishu]

I bet newey has some genius way of exploiting that exhaust gas already!

Maybe not, he doesn't sound too optimistic. But then with great engineers like Newey, you never know

Red Bull dominance may end - Newey

Adrian Newey admits he is unsure whether Red Bull can continue its dominance of Formula One beyond 2013.

After Sebastian Vettel and Red Bull secured a fourth consecutive championship double at the Indian Grand Prix, attentions are now turning to the rule changes which will have such a major impact on the 2014 season. While it was put to Newey that he could interpret the new regulations better than any other team and continue Red Bull's form, Newey said there were too many unknowns including ones which were outside of his hands.

"We might but you don't know; that's the thing about rule changes isn't it?" Newey said. "We've had occasions where we have managed to do that, but we've got big aerodynamic changes - not as big as 2009 but still very significant - and then we've got obviously the engine package which from our side is a very complicated package to install.

"From Renault's side what is not at all clear at the moment is whether one of the three manufacturers will have a significant benefit over the others. And I think reliability is going to be a big issue at the start of the season as well."

Asked whether the bigger influence on next year's cars would be new regulations or designs which have been restricted from recent years, Newey replied: "Ultimately the restrictions.

"You have these changes which are exciting and different when you have a big regulation change such as we have for next year. But when you sit down and go through the details it's actually more and more restrictions; the beam wing is banned next year, the nose is more restricted. The front wing being narrower is not a restriction - it's just a change - but the nose and the beam wing are without doubt restrictions, and the exhausts of course, most importantly."

And Newey added that he may struggle to produce a good-looking car.

"The new rules do make it challenging, that's for sure!"

[stefa]

Maybe not, he doesn't sound too optimistic. But then with great engineers like Newey, you never know

I'll not underestimate him at all. He'll come with something clever for sure, that no other has thought about.

[sreenivaschinne]

If we start 2014 with the same team principal then we know the result even today.

[Catalan]

One question on the wind tunnel. There were talks about Ferrari re-opening it by the end of October. Apparently, this time it's gonna work with 60 % scale and with the latest gadgets in technology. Any update on this ?. And also, will the 2014 project undergo double-check in this new wind tunnel or will it be completely created using the Köln one ?

[hrc5555]

One question on the wind tunnel. There were talks about Ferrari re-opening it by the end of October. Apparently, this time it's gonna work with 60 % scale and with the latest gadgets in technology. Any update on this ?. And also, will the 2014 project undergo double-check in this new wind tunnel or will it be completely created using the Köln one ?

You can reed all about that in 2014 Regulations.(engine/aero etc etc)

[Nick Singer]

However the teach stuff pans out, sadly, the team needs an inspirational figure to lead it. Brawn (now available..) and even (spits and crosses himself at the thought of the unthinkable) Flav might offer something…...

LdM said no driver was 'bigger than the team'… The team needs to get 'bigger' and have a big man at the helm, IMVHO..

(Hides behind sofa..)

[Senna4Ever]

Daughter of de la Rosa designed our next years car ...

Look--> BXvqO2BCUAA4bTU.jpg

not bad

and even better guys from simulation say even with V6 turbo 2 second faster than this years car
and results from our new wind tunnel (first check): 8 points more traction/down force

so a spark of hope for next years car ..

But Pirelli's look very hard

[Nova]

Pirelli needs to stop letting the FIA run their company and simply make a good F1 race tire.
None of this trying to make racing more interesting crap. See where that got them for sure.

Make a good tire, let the teams test with these tires, and F1 may return to more of what its supposed to be.

[bkircher]

Forgive the noobish question, but is there gonna be DRS next year?

[Hornet]

Forgive the noobish question, but is there gonna be DRS next year?

Yes, DRS will remain.

A long time ago, there was some discussion to improve overtaking by re-introducing shaped floors along with the new engine rules, but unfortunately that did not happen. So DRS is still the only means to aid overtaking.

[bkircher]

Thanks for the reply.

[diesel08]

http://www.racingfanatic.net/2013/11...dominance.html

[stefa]

http://www.racingfanatic.net/2013/11...dominance.html

I am not buying it until I see it...

[zike]

http://www.racingfanatic.net/2013/11...dominance.html

why does everyone think that Merc will have the best engine?

[Hornet]

Just wild guessing probably. We won't know until winter testing.

[Nova]

Has to be..no one has seen these new engines in action..all wild journo speculation.

[diesel08]

why does everyone think that Merc will have the best engine?

I don't know..some insiders and F1 analysts think this...merc engine will have more power but 2014 is not only about power...biggest issues will be the consumption and unit fiability. I hope that Ferrari engine will follow the best technology and do the best in the track.

[Jas]

1) Renault is using red Bull as their works team so any advantage their is gone, the engine I guarantee is built round the needs of red bull first and foremost!

2) wonder how many we have on it, doubt 400, is our engine dept that big?!?! Im guessing engine dept for the whole of Ferrari eg road car dept?

[Poltergeistes]

Don't beleive nobody knows, at the end of 2008 everybody knew redbull was going to be the big challenge to come next, they didn't mention Brawngp cause at that moment because of the financial time it was going through they may not have had money to be part of the championship.

While Mercedes and Ferrari obviously have always had alot of money on it, redbull is also on that list, since it's been several WCC in a row, plenty of sponsors, now with renault having not only redbull but also lotus doing very well that has put the pressure on them to keep investing on the sport.

I think if we have a small advantage on the engine, that will make up for the gap redbull has on us when it comes to aerodynamics.

It just upsets me so much when they show those shots of different cars going through a few corners and everyone is fighting all around it, while redbull is making love to them! it's just sick!!!!

[eugene22n]

The FIA will do everything in their power to make sure the engines are not the deferential.

For us it will AGAIN be the windtunnel. Is it finally fixed or can we already see the future where Stefano & Fry talk about how we are having correlation issues and are using the Toyota tunnel.

[Forza7]

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[wacc]

Mercedes' Brawn fears Red Bull dominance will continue in 2014 (autosport.com)

Mercedes thinks there are now clear warning signs that some of Red Bull's current dominance will carry over in to 2014.

Although the new engine regulations coming next year do offer fresh opportunity for Red Bull's rivals, Mercedes thinks a closer look at the steps forward the champion team has made in recent months suggest its advantage will not be completely wiped away.

In particular, Brawn thinks that Red Bull has made big gains in its understanding of aerodynamic efficiency to improve its straight-line speed, an area where it had been weak in the past.

"Some of the performance I have observed they have gained in the second half of the year, it looks like performance that will translate into next year," Brawn told AUTOSPORT.

"They suddenly have the car that sometimes tops the speed trap times, and they have never done that in years.

"They have managed to shed some drag off the car, so some of the car's performance in certain areas of the track, if carried over in to next year, will make it very challenging.

"It is a new slate in many ways [in 2014], but I think you don't unlearn things. So things they have modified with this year's car will be applicable for next year."

Red Bull boss Christian Horner says the steps his team have made in the second half of this year have not come at the expense of its 2014 challenge, and any progress it makes from now on will also help it next year.

"While the championship jobs are done this year, whatever we achieve this year we can only benefit from next year," he said.

"Our full focus in Milton Keynes is on the challenges of 2014, but there is still an awful lot we can learn [from the current car].

"The other teams are also involved in a battle for second in the championship. We are out of that and will be able to turn full focus on to 2014."

[Jose Lorca]

I don't agree with Brawn.

Below is a video of Red Bull's updates in the seconds half of the season. The first thing you'll notice is the number of updates, which shows that even in September/October, they were focusing heavily on the 2013 car - which means less time to focus on 2014. Then if you look at what parts they're focusing on, you'll see that much of the development has been on the front wing and nose - both are changing significantly next year. Their diffuser and floor development is designed around a concept that involves sealing the diffuser with exhaust gasses - also changing next year. They will be able to carry some things over into 2014 but lets not forget that the rear of their car is designed around the exhaust, and they will suffer the most from the EBD ban.

The video: http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/v...e-7876369.html

[brembo man]

Talks like Yoda, looks like Yoda, manages like mamaluke

La parola Mamaluke ! Nostalgia!

[ManFromMilan]

I don't agree with Brawn.

Below is a video of Red Bull's updates in the seconds half of the season. The first thing you'll notice is the number of updates, which shows that even in September/October, they were focusing heavily on the 2013 car - which means less time to focus on 2014. Then if you look at what parts they're focusing on, you'll see that much of the development has been on the front wing and nose - both are changing significantly next year. Their diffuser and floor development is designed around a concept that involves sealing the diffuser with exhaust gasses - also changing next year. They will be able to carry some things over into 2014 but lets not forget that the rear of their car is designed around the exhaust, and they will suffer the most from the EBD ban.

The video: http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/v...e-7876369.html

Can't say i have followed their updates as closely as you, but it makes sense. All of their strengths will be nullified next year except the aero and design teams capable talent.

But with that said they might not be that efficient with next years challenges no matter how good they now have been with the blown diffuser. I think Brawn is just blowing smoke up their backsides.