F14-T- Development & News

[Jas]

Adrian Newey has admitted that one of the issues that afflicted the Red Bull RB10, during Jerez testing last month, was down to overheating caused by the aggressive aero packaging, not helped by the Renault V6 turbo’s propensity to run extremely hot, as we reported in the aftermath of Jerez testing [here].

Speaking to about 200 guests at the RAC’s Annual Motoring Dinner, Newey revealed, “What stopped us at Jerez was a problem where the bodywork local to the exhaust was catching fire.”

“Hands up on our side because that was a Red Bull problem. It was, you could argue, a result of aggressive packaging. We felt that we needed to take a few risks to try to get a good package that would minimise the aerodynamic damage of this very large cooling requirement.”

Daniel Ricciardo and the Red Bull RB10 stranded at Jerez
Daniel Ricciardo and the Red Bull RB10 stranded at Jerez

“It is a problem which hopefully we can get on top of [in time] for Bahrain. It was really a lack of time… It was something that we could have proved out on the dyno if we’d managed to get everything together earlier.”

“Renault have been up against it in terms of their use of the dyno, we have been up against it making the parts in time. I think had we been a couple of weeks further ahead then that could all have been done in private on the dyno, but unfortunately it was done in public.”

The overheating problem was not exclusive to Red Bull, but also the other two Renault powered teams present in Spain, Caterham and Toro Rosso, also experienced problems and resulted in limited running, way off the pace.

Adrian Newey watching proceedings at Jerez
Adrian Newey watching proceedings at Jerez

Newey explained, ”[B]The Renault seems to have a particularly large cooling requirement. Everybody of the three engine manufacturers will have a different target for how hot their charge air is going back into the plenum and Renault have given us a fairly challenging target, with all sorts of advantages if we can get there, but it is not easy to achieve.”

bit in bold particularly interest me, so maybe more power if they obv can find a way to feed it more air, but then ofcourse drag?!?

[Avantifer12]

After watching another excellent video from Enrique Scalabroni I hope to see that Ferrari will test this "rear deflector" It may not look to create as much DF as the Mclaren mushroom solution but the rear deflector looks to be easier to implement and more efficient.

[RedPassion]

As is said few days ago, Renaults numbers on the dyno looked good, but when it came into real world, they were way off. Newey, had designed the car and packaging to the data Renault supplied, but, all wrong.

Well,actually it is what modern F1 is all about.You start from the aerodynamics point of view and try to fit the mechanical parts in the least space possible,It is what Adrian Newey said in an interview where he added that he could not understand how a different approach was possible,because it would limitate performance in some way and this is exactly what Nicholas Tombazis said,and i believe this is one of the methodological changes applied in Maranello by Pat Fry to build more extreme cars in opposition to the traditional ones under Costa.

[Nero Horse]

After watching another excellent video from Enrique Scalabroni I hope to see that Ferrari will test this "rear deflector" It may not look to create as much DF as the Mclaren mushroom solution but the rear deflector looks to be easier to implement and more efficient.

Interesting video, thanks for posting.

[tifosi1993]

Sakhir International Circuit, Bahrain (19/02/2014)

[Scuderia85]

Nice pics

[Kiwi Nick]

Ouch! A big puff of smoke is never good!

[Senna4Ever]

Ouch! A big puff of smoke is never good!

This is our secret weapon when we start from Pole ... ;) ... some kind of Batmobile ...

[Winter]

Fuel mix problem caused that smoke? How can it be, does F1 fuel have some lubricant mixed to it or how else fuel mix can cause such a smoke?

[pavenc]

Thank you. awesome pics!

[pavenc]

Ferrari! Pleeeease change the nose on the F14T

[tifosi1993]

Sakhir International Circuit, Bahrain (19/02/2014)

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[SilverSpeed]

Still driving with the same chassis and wings? Or does someone sees any new stuff?

[Rosso Corsa]

Still driving with the same chassis and wings? Or does someone sees any new stuff?

The pitot tube on the nose is now shrouded in a vane.

[Kyss4k]

The pitot tube on the nose is now shrouded in a vane.

[Aberracus]

Hi guys, enjoying the show and waiting exited for tomorrow session.

What do you thinks of this? New grills for cooling hidden in the livery?

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[hrc5555]

Hi guys, enjoying the show and waiting exited for tomorrow session.

What do you thinks of this? New grills for cooling hidden in the livery?

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It means we still have cooling issues...

[Nero Horse]

It means we still have cooling issues...

All teams do at this moment...

[Kyss4k]

It means we still have cooling issues...

We always had holes in that area. Even in the previous years.

[Ste]

Hi guys, enjoying the show and waiting exited for tomorrow session.

What do you thinks of this? New grills for cooling hidden in the livery?

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The filled-in panel was there at launch. Only the tiny vent is new. In Jerez, we butchered the top of the exhaust on the left side of the car.

This vent, which is on the right side isn't duplicated on the left - and the hole we cut out in Jerez also isn't there.

[ntukza]

All teams do at this moment...

Are you sure Mercedes has cooling issues?

[hrc5555]

We always had holes in that area. Even in the previous years.

Yes, but on both side of the car. I think that holes will disappear when we get on top of cooling management.

[Rob]

Resta: “We’re discovering the F14 T”


Sakhir 19 February – After just one day of testing in Bahrain, it’s still difficult to have an idea of a hierarchy in the Formula 1 paddock for this year. So, it’s a given that there is an air of caution within Scuderia Ferrari and Deputy Chief Designer Simone Resta chooses his words carefully. “I think it is still too early to say just how satisfied we are, as we are still learning how the F14 T behaves in various situations and we are trying to gather as much data as possible. One thing we are focusing on at this test is how the new power train is working and its interaction with the driver. Every new component is being watched carefully, such as the brake by wire system and all the software linked to the car, both of which we have worked on a great deal over the past two weeks.”

Therefore, chasing performance has not been on the job list. “That will be the next step,” continued Resta. “Now we just want to rack up the kilometres. The final updates for the Australian Grand Prix will arrive at the next test here in Bahrain and that’s when we will also start trying to get the performance out of the car. Having said that, making a comparison with last year’s car is worthwhile only up to a certain point. Everyone is talking about the engines, but there are two other elements to take into consideration: the new rules mean we have less aerodynamic downforce and the weight of the car has increased.”

One of the current topics is overheating, something several teams are suffering with. Ferrari made the most of the rule changes to go for amajor change, which Resta explained: “ The fact we had to change the power unit allowed us to modify the entire package, on which we have worked very hard, investing a lot. But best not to commit the sin of arrogance in believing we have an advantage.”

- See more at: http://formula1.ferrari.com/news/res....t5ELFQbP.dpuf

[Jose-Lorca Fan]

That last sentence is very telling. I think Ferrari will show their true potential in the next test. Bring it on.

[Nero Horse]

Are you sure Mercedes has cooling issues?

Yes, I'm quite sure that they do. Just because they're not saying it out loud doesn't mean that they don't have any cooling issues. If all the other teams have cooling issues then I'm sure they're no different.

[mark p]

Remember Jerez test merc altered back of sidepod with a large air outlet starting behind Petronas sign. On launch looked really tight much more than Mclaren with same engine but with update it looked similar in size to Mclarens. Only Ferrari appear to have kept their shape at the back as tight as on launch apart from RB but RB does not work.

[Haris]

I wouldn't be too much suprised if there are no visible updates even at the last Bahrain test. As was often the case these last years, we always expect some major updates for the last testing session and get nothing, then we think the same thing about first race in Melbourne and again - nothing. I'd rather be positively surprised than disappointed like many times before.

[RedPassion]

Adrian Newey has admitted that one of the issues that afflicted the Red Bull RB10, during Jerez testing last month, was down to overheating caused by the aggressive aero packaging, not helped by the Renault V6 turbo’s propensity to run extremely hot, as we reported in the aftermath of Jerez testing [here].

Speaking to about 200 guests at the RAC’s Annual Motoring Dinner, Newey revealed, “What stopped us at Jerez was a problem where the bodywork local to the exhaust was catching fire.”

“Hands up on our side because that was a Red Bull problem. It was, you could argue, a result of aggressive packaging. We felt that we needed to take a few risks to try to get a good package that would minimise the aerodynamic damage of this very large cooling requirement.”

Daniel Ricciardo and the Red Bull RB10 stranded at Jerez
Daniel Ricciardo and the Red Bull RB10 stranded at Jerez

“It is a problem which hopefully we can get on top of [in time] for Bahrain. It was really a lack of time… It was something that we could have proved out on the dyno if we’d managed to get everything together earlier.”

“Renault have been up against it in terms of their use of the dyno, we have been up against it making the parts in time. I think had we been a couple of weeks further ahead then that could all have been done in private on the dyno, but unfortunately it was done in public.”

The overheating problem was not exclusive to Red Bull, but also the other two Renault powered teams present in Spain, Caterham and Toro Rosso, also experienced problems and resulted in limited running, way off the pace.

Adrian Newey watching proceedings at Jerez
Adrian Newey watching proceedings at Jerez

Newey explained, ”[B]The Renault seems to have a particularly large cooling requirement. Everybody of the three engine manufacturers will have a different target for how hot their charge air is going back into the plenum and Renault have given us a fairly challenging target, with all sorts of advantages if we can get there, but it is not easy to achieve.”

bit in bold particularly interest me, so maybe more power if they obv can find a way to feed it more air, but then ofcourse drag?!?

Frankly.i dont buy a word of it.I cant imagine thats just because of the exhaust, fairly because he would be giving up precious informations to other teams to where the mechanical components of the engine exactly are,and because exhaust Problems are much easier to solve,i am absolutely sure they are having Troubles with some tricky way they are trying to use some electronic component of ERS(remenber the KERS failures of the last years?),and they are blowing smoke on the opponents by hiding the truth of their failures,we should Keep an eye on them,surely more to come.By the way i think we have a slightly different nose on the F14T with a new camera arrangemet.

[Rosso Corsa]

On top of the airbox are some LED lights. Sometimes they're green, sometimes they're red. Maybe yellow too. I'm guessing the primary purpose is to let marshals and engineers know if it's safe to touch the car, or if they might get electric shock. But is there anything else we can read from them? Like, when the car is moving, does green mean full of energy, yellow energy is being released or harvested, red no energy?

[Rishu]

On top of the airbox are some LED lights. Sometimes they're green, sometimes they're red. Maybe yellow too. I'm guessing the primary purpose is to let marshals and engineers know if it's safe to touch the car, or if they might get electric shock. But is there anything else we can read from them? Like, when the car is moving, does green mean full of energy, yellow energy is being released or harvested, red no energy?

I think they are meant for ERS & yes it's for marshal's safety