F14-T- Development & News

[Gould]

Rai say that we will have a complete new car in barcelona .
Power engine 100%

I hope you're right. We need more power Scotty!

[PadGeT]

The front wheels are not driven. They have no power. You can't have front wheel spin, I'm sorry. Either you lost something in translation or your understanding of torque delivery is lacking but the front wheels on an F1 car are simply along for the ride.

You didn't answer my question? Power is given to rear wheels, i agree. That doesn't mean fronts can have wheelspin, now does it? If the front looses contact with the tarmac, with increased wt distribution near the rear, wont there be slippage ,wont it deter the front drive. My understanding is a bit vague here. But iirc, if the front doesn't aid the rear, wont there be locking due to differential in wheel spin & friction, thereby compromising the grip the front is getting in forward motion?

Aah now i get it , my understanding of wheelspin is flawed. Thanks for giving me the pain to look it up.

[Gould]

Aah now i get it , my understanding of wheelspin is flawed. Thanks for giving me the pain to look it up.

No worries mate, these cars are complicated!!

[PadGeT]

Yeah, they are. But the more you learn about them, the more fun you get!

[Rob]

Ferrari & Rb's sidepod feature sidepod overcuts predominantly, Mercs traditional undercut although it does bulge at the bottom slightly.
Remember RB6 , the car that gives Tombazis nightmare
Compare it with F14 T



Mercs may not have the D/F levels of RB and Ferrari, but the car is the most developed and has the best balance in low speed corners.

Rake will help give you small amounts of rear D/F. Merc not running with alot of rake, means they are comfortable with the amount they produce, and dont need the rake.

[PadGeT]

Thanks alot mate for the best comparsion and rationalising our sidepod philosophy, otherwise I was thinking that our design wasnt that good, If Mr.Adrain Newey has passed this design than for sure they work and I pray that we sort out our MGU H problems. That has warmed the cockles of my heart! Kudos mate..FORZA FERRARI

I haven't explained anything, actually. If you want to undertsand sidepod philosohy aerowise, you have to know about principles of airflow round obstructions, airfoils, Coanda principle etc. Good luck looking them up.

[PadGeT]

Rake will help give you small amounts of rear D/F. Merc not running with alot of rake, means they are comfortable with the amount they produce, and dont need the rake.

Agreed. Its all about proper balance between front and rear wt. distribution wise which depends where your low pressure zone is at the car. But, it does tell us that RB and Ferrari are carrying more front end downforce.

Also the efeect of rake is twofold. It also severly reduces the braking zones and aids coner entry speed.

[Paulpg87]

Rai say that we will have a complete new car in barcelona .
Power engine 100%
this track suit us more than redbull because it s a front demanding not rear where redbull excel(traction and slow corner)
If the improving is big we can compete with mercedes.I think we are 0.6 at 1 sec behind them.Our engine will give us more boost if we can improve his driveability and power delivery.
See a Ferrari on the podium is a great feeling ...but man ferrari need to give fernando a great car, this man is a legend .He is on the same level as Fangio, Senna,schumacher.We will remind him as a pure racer

source? thanks

[wisepie]

The front of our car just looks weird. Why not just copy RBR and make it cleaner and get a little more air under the nose

Quite agree, the nose looks too high and the drop too severe, not smooth and aerodynamic and certainly not pretty. Guess it's the regs but it just looks dis-jointed.

[PadGeT]

Quite agree, the nose looks too high and the drop too severe, not smooth and aerodynamic and certainly not pretty. Guess it's the regs but it just looks dis-jointed.

[Ed Harley]

KR says his gentle driving style does not produce enough heat in the tyres and when the tyres wear he drives even smoother and that produces heat even less.

It is my understanding that the teams warm up the wheels/tyres already with braking generated heat energy so why not control/limit wheel cooling a bit more to heat his tyres more.

[khizerk]

KR says his gentle driving style does not produce enough heat in the tyres and when the tyres wear he drives even smoother and that produces heat even less.

It is my understanding that the teams warm up the wheels/tyres already with braking generated heat energy so why not control/limit wheel cooling a bit more to heat his tyres more.

I thought worn tyres overheated more quickly :s

[PadGeT]

See the change in Merc's new nose. The new one i a lot closer to ferrari's nose philosophy. Notice the mounting pylons makes much less curvature from down to up in the new one. It is done to reduce turbulence, also has bit more air intake volume. This gives potentialy a cleaner airflow under the nose and through to the guiding vanes.

[Ed Harley]

I thought worn tyres overheated more quickly :s

Not if you are trying to preserve them, I think.

[Dino]

KR says his gentle driving style does not produce enough heat in the tyres and when the tyres wear he drives even smoother and that produces heat even less.

It is my understanding that the teams warm up the wheels/tyres already with braking generated heat energy so why not control/limit wheel cooling a bit more to heat his tyres more.

That problem has always existed in all forms of racing,Go karts/MotoGp/Etc.
If this is really what is happening to Kimi the latest large front brake duct and air outlet at the wheel nut will hurt him even more.The current harder Pirelli rubber will surely not help.He might not have that problem when the temperatures start getting higher in the next races..

[windwaves]

So MM is a aero guy as well as a suspension expert? Very good then he can design us a B chassis pretty soon and we will obviously win with ease.

dude, you need to take a step back and relax. SD is gone, and us fans are real happy about it, finally, and now we have hope and you should welcome and support the new guy who hopefully will take Ferrari back to where it belongs.

You are the only one here talking about "win with ease".
You are the only one here claiming MM is a "aero guy".
You are the only one here claiming he can "design a B chassis".

Have a great day :)

[PadGeT]

dude, you need to take a step back and relax. SD is gone, and us fans are real happy about it, finally, and now we have hope and you should welcome and support the new guy who hopefully will take Ferrari back to where it belongs.

You are the only one here talking about "win with ease".
You are the only one here claiming MM is a "aero guy".
You are the only one here claiming he can "design a B chassis".

Have a great day :)

No true fan should be happy about SD's news. Heck, even our drivers were shocked. You are delirious, my friend.

[windwaves]

No true fan should be happy about SD's news. Heck, even our drivers were shocked. You are delirious, my friend.

delirious ? well obviously you are too far removed from the realities of Ferrari F1. The team is beyond happy, they could not stand SD anymore as they all knew he was the one screwing up everything every day.


And it was clearly shown today with the first podium of the season.

Dudes, he is gone and gone for good. Give it up and welcome the new reality of Ferrari F1. Thx :)

[PadGeT]

You are clearly not in reality. Whatever Ferrari produced today, was due to Stefano and the decisions he took while at helm. Alonso, IIRC mentioned that Stefano has to be responsible for whatever the team does upto July. So, there you go. Also, if I may say, You add nothing to this thread.

[mark p]

Huge improvement going only by performance on the long straight. This and back to the sleeker sidepods. Good cahance it was cable material and thus heat of cables messing up the ers? Any other theories on this?

Someone mentioned Raikonen saying about large changes next race? I cannot find he has said this. Anyone? Or should this be put down to made up fantasy like the Byrne floor etc?

What were the weaknesses today to Merc. Was it all straighline or corners as well. Ferrari looked as stable as anyone today so balance improved.

[PadGeT]

What were the weaknesses today to Merc. Was it all straighline or corners as well. Ferrari looked as stable as anyone today so balance improved.

In straights, Mercs>>Ferrari>RB
In corner, RB> Ferrari>Mercs
My opinion ofcourse.

[windwaves]

You are clearly not in reality. Whatever Ferrari produced today, was due to Stefano and the decisions he took while at helm. Alonso, IIRC mentioned that Stefano has to be responsible for whatever the team does upto July. So, there you go. Also, if I may say, You add nothing to this thread.

You add nothing yourself my friend, you try hard though, I see, it is nice of you.

Sadly you are a bit confused. Today's result was emblematic of the team welcoming the new guy and celebrating the departure of SD. It is pure happiness across the board.

The car is and remains inferior. Mark my words. We will have to wait for MM to have an impact to be competitive again, at the top level I mean doh, which will take time.

[Cheeseman]

You add nothing yourself my friend, you try hard though, I see, it is nice of you.

Sadly you are a bit confused. Today's result was emblematic of the team welcoming the new guy and celebrating the departure of SD. It is pure happiness across the board.

The car is and remains inferior. Mark my words. We will have to wait for MM to have an impact to be competitive again, at the top level I mean doh, which will take time.

Funny how Alonso dedicates his podium to the guy they are all so glad to see the back off

[PadGeT]

You add nothing yourself my friend, you try hard though, I see, it is nice of you..

Ofcourse I don't add anything thats worth your salt. You can be sure I don't intend to in future also.

[Kyss4k]

In straights, Mercs >> Ferrari > RB
In corner, RB > Mercs >= Ferrari

Fixed it for you

[Majki2111]

In straights, Mercs>>Ferrari>RB
In corner, RB> Ferrari>Mercs
My opinion ofcourse.

I think Hulkenberg's option, too. He said, I think, during Malaysian GP, that Ferrari is very good in corners.

Fixed it for you

I don't think so when it is about cornering. I think F14T is better than Mercedes in cornering 'cause Hulkenberg said so.

[PadGeT]

Fixed it for you

[mark p]

Fixed it for you

This is what I was looking for. Corners are close between Merc and Ferrari but at least Ferrari seem to have jumped Renault on engine power and delivery appeared to improve this weekend?

Merc also had their new nose which was appeared the biggest visual change amongst the cars. Ferrari were 25 seconds off but last race was 35 seconds in around 15 laps so good improvement. If this relative performance increase continues it is a happy sign as I do not remember Ferrari closing a gap to the best team for a long time over many races.

Seems like further gains will be under the skin with visual changes quite small. I wonder if moving the cooling outlets closer to the spine of the car will be happening like RedBull as to my eyes it looks nicer which often means it works better but alas I am not a windtunnel. (Quote and insert joke here)

[windwaves]

Funny how Alonso dedicates his podium to the guy they are all so glad to see the back off

but of course ! he is a descent man, in fact he's got lots of class. SD is the man he worked with for a number of years, why would he not do that ? It was the right and classy thing to do. That is what it means. It's got nothing to do with FA opinion of SD in terms of leader of Ferrari F1.

[Bertie]

You are clearly not in reality. Whatever Ferrari produced today, was due to Stefano and the decisions he took while at helm. Alonso, IIRC mentioned that Stefano has to be responsible for whatever the team does upto July. So, there you go. Also, if I may say, You add nothing to this thread.

Just to add to your post in agreement. The podium was dedicated to Stefano.

Damn already pointed out. I should of been more patient.