F14-T- Development & News

[PadGeT]

twin-tusked nose in Spain or Merc style nose?

Neither.. eeewww!!

[PadGeT]

http://www.marca.com/2014/04/23/moto...398241748.html
Ferrari is making changes to his car to get to catch up with the Mercedes. After the podium made ​​by Fernando Alonso for the 'Scuderia' in the GP of China , I follow the changes in the F14-T for the GP of Spain.
As reported by La Gazzetta dello Sport, the Italian team hopes to get closer to Mercedes start to the season after a somewhat complicated. Members of Ferrari are optimistic due to better performance of F14-T in China, and continued improvement Montmeló.
The improvements come taken by the same engineer that developed for the Chinese GP, James Allison, and would consist of different aspects as reported by the Italian newspaper.
In Shanghai, the F14-T won a high speed with a profile of the rear wing worked best in a straight line, especially with the DRS; and also improved the tensile load due to some new parts as front brake conduits.
Regarding the body, in Montmeló, the car incorporated a backward and high nose which should favor the aerodynamics and also lead an evolution in its engine, which would harmonize the relationship with electronics.
Also, tired of criticism for their poor performance Räikkönen at the start of the season, Ferrari will try that electronics is 'softer' for the Finn, trying to accommodate your F14-T restilo pilot.

So, no nose change and a new CE for Kimi's car.
Also, Marko maybe right about fuel !

[Nova]

Thats what I like to hear, constant development. I dont understand what is meant by "a backward and high nose" though.

[PadGeT]

Thats what I like to hear, constant development. I dont understand what is meant by "a backward and high nose" though.

Mercs solution ?!?!?!

[sweeper1101]

IMO
"High rake", rear end would be higher and the central nose configuration will be changed to a higher profile to accommodate more air under the car.

[bondilad]

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mo...menicali-exit/

German-language Speed Week reports that Ferrari plans to debut a Mercedes-style short front nose at the Spanish Grand Prix next month.

The article also says that ferrari are insisting the suppliers to cut the waiting times for new parts.

[zike]

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This looks nice

[PadGeT]

It looks nice, but tell me how the air above gonna be spilled over and pushed down to underneath the front crash structure. IIrc , that was what Ferrari were trying to do with their nose design. None of the designs seem to take care, Also it isn't about how much air u channel to the diffuser, its also about cleaner flow.

[stefa]

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This looks nice

It looks nice, but nice isn't always the best (fastest) solution...

[Muhammad Ansib]

We may need a new nosecone and a massive improvement on the front wing development cuz Look at the Mecedes, Redbull or even McLaren's Front wing..they are just so much more evolved than ours, ours is the one carried forward from last year with different endplates.

[Muhammad Ansib]

It looks nice, but nice isn't always the best (fastest) solution...

and the car in the photo appears to have push rod front suspension.. or is it just me?

[PadGeT]

Gary Anderson explains the wheel hub blowing :


via Autosport

[SinanOzerS]

PitLaneTalk @pitlanetalk
"Ferrari have massive update for Spain: new nose, front wing, floor, rear wing, sidepods, engine cover and software gain of 10/15 HP. #F1"

[PadGeT]

PitLaneTalk @pitlanetalk
"Ferrari have massive update for Spain: new nose, front wing, floor, rear wing, sidepods, engine cover and software gain of 10/15 HP. #F1"

[Stebandelareina]

I hope so, but to be honest, the "b" model 0.4 faster in Barcelona is something that use to be writen every year since 2009.
I don't think that we have such amount of parts to barcelona. Is almost imposible to check if everything works in the FP1-2, or if it works together, while you make the setup to qualy and race.
In China we introduce some small parts, that worked perfectly. Thats the way of work right now. The B model thing, huge, massive changes is from the past. The Fiorano era, when we test a lot and we can change the whole car in the middle of the season.

Or maybe our windtunel/simulator problems are really solved and we have some idea of the functionality of the package.

[ManFromMilan]

PitLaneTalk @pitlanetalk
"Ferrari have massive update for Spain: new nose, front wing, floor, rear wing, sidepods, engine cover and software gain of 10/15 HP. #F1"

[Ophidian786]

I hope so, but to be honest, the "b" model 0.4 faster in Barcelona is something that use to be writen every year since 2009.
I don't think that we have such amount of parts to barcelona. Is almost imposible to check if everything works in the FP1-2, or if it works together, while you make the setup to qualy and race.
In China we introduce some small parts, that worked perfectly. Thats the way of work right now. The B model thing, huge, massive changes is from the past. The Fiorano era, when we test a lot and we can change the whole car in the middle of the season.

Or maybe our windtunel/simulator problems are really solved and we have some idea of the functionality of the package.

The new wind tunnel is fully operational and I recall reports later last year that Ferrari spent a lot of money on simulators and hired De La Rosa for the same.

I am hoping for the best, but fully aware that others will bring similar improvements - thus a minimalistic net gain.

[mrnl]

This season it's important to have regular mid to high range of updates for the European leg at least. Firstly, there is a lot more developmental scope than usual and secondly rivals are progressing fast as well. In that sense, small updates will not take you far,and yes, relatively speaking it would be less of a gain than in absolute terms as other teams don't stand still.

The good thing is that now as the correlation troubles are gone and we have managed to verify the first batch of updates on track, that facilitates a fast development rate. Ferrari has historically had such, apart from the past few years when the WT problems were present. So hopefully, that can keep up and things go according to plan I.e. The results on track match the optimism from simulation so far.

[Hornet]

While it's true that our competitors will bring upgrades as well, IF it is also true that our power unit has more potential to be unlocked, then maybe we'll be able to make bigger progress and catch up with Merc.

[mrnl]

True, that's always the aim. However, PU - wise, I think that some of the deficit may not be recovered during this season. I can't say for sure as I'm not an engine engineer myself, but there will definitely be some structural changes implemented for next year during the allowed free development time. But the same goes for all engine manufacturers, Mercedes included, and the difference in performance by the end of the year shouldn't be that significant, perhaps around 10 to 20 bhp.

[Nero Horse]

I hope so, but to be honest, the "b" model 0.4 faster in Barcelona is something that use to be writen every year since 2009.
I don't think that we have such amount of parts to barcelona. Is almost imposible to check if everything works in the FP1-2, or if it works together, while you make the setup to qualy and race.
In China we introduce some small parts, that worked perfectly. Thats the way of work right now. The B model thing, huge, massive changes is from the past. The Fiorano era, when we test a lot and we can change the whole car in the middle of the season.

Or maybe our windtunel/simulator problems are really solved and we have some idea of the functionality of the package.

At this point I would like to remind you of the 2012 season when we gained almost a full second in Spain with all the new updates. So it's not impossible at all to make big gains with the right set of updates.

[Stebandelareina]

I don't say that it's impossible, I say that it's dangeorus bring big packages without testing it first. Because, as it happends at the end of 2012 and 2013, if something doesn't works, other thing of the package are desestimated.

I think that is positive the hard work and the developing, but I think that is better be prudent and for the tifosis, keep the feets in the ground.

Of course, if we gain 0.4 in barcelona, it would be nice, but for me is better gain 0.2 in every race, with a good pace of developing, instead of big changes. But I asume that if the engineers do that is because they think that the package would work

Otherwise, before australia they said that we have a very agressive plan of developing. Maybe is just like Merc with their nose, and we didn't have time to start the championship with that configuration of nose, fw and floor

[Nero Horse]

Does anyone know, are we using FRIC and if we're not then is Merc still using it?

[Kiwi Nick]

What is the current (post China) count on PU components used? Are we getting dangerously close to the point where penalties will begin to be assessed?

[stefa]

PitLaneTalk @pitlanetalk
"Ferrari have massive update for Spain: new nose, front wing, floor, rear wing, sidepods, engine cover and software gain of 10/15 HP. #F1"

I will not have high hopes until I see it and I see it works!

[diesel08]

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[Hornet]

What is the current (post China) count on PU components used? Are we getting dangerously close to the point where penalties will begin to be assessed?

The table posted a few pages back shows we are on our 2nd set for all of the components, except Kimi's CE (control electronics I think) is 3rd.

Most teams are on their 2nd ones according to that table, except a couple I think still on their 1st turbo compressor.

So I think we're safe.

[Nero Horse]

I will not have high hopes until I see it and I see it works!

Yes, same here. I mean yes of course it would be absolutely wonderful if all these big updates would be at Barcelona and giving us a huge boost, but unfortunately we have seen and heard such rumors before and they haven't always turned out to be true ...so it's best to try to keep our feet on the ground and wait at least till the FP1 is over and then see what new updates we have on and where we are compared to the others.

[sachin]

We may need a new nosecone and a massive improvement on the front wing development cuz Look at the Mecedes, Redbull or even McLaren's Front wing..they are just so much more evolved than ours, ours is the one carried forward from last year with different endplates.

Yeah absolutely true,Mercs end plates look from a different era than ours.
But hope we do something about the PU,,and if rumors that Ferrari not running PU at full power are true,then it's a shame.
We need it at 100%

[wacc]

We may need a new nosecone and a massive improvement on the front wing development cuz Look at the Mecedes, Redbull or even McLaren's Front wing..they are just so much more evolved than ours, ours is the one carried forward from last year with different endplates.

Why do you think that McLarens FW is better? It is not so long they had the simplest FW of all and it has not been anything special since then...
FW is evolution of last year but so is RedBull's or Mercedes'.