Ferrari wanted an "engine F1" yes indeed, but I never heard anyone at Ferrari saying that they wanted a "Power Unit F1".Originally Posted by Kyss4k
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Ferrari wanted an "engine F1" yes indeed, but I never heard anyone at Ferrari saying that they wanted a "Power Unit F1".
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Well, you've got a few years "seniority" on me. Recall hearing that Bandini's death prompted the banning of hay bales.
Not positive, but don't think I've ever heard the word spoken, more of a British term than US, for sure. Always keen to hear words like that come up, over here speech patterns & word selection are very different.
Reading the article on autosprint with the "help" of microsoft translator, it says F14-T side pods are too small??? If they said the shape is not producing the correct airflow to create the maximum downforce, that would make more sense to me. I can't imagine anything being "too small" in terms of F1 cars. Seems that was a stated focus of the design team in the lead-up to this season, to miniaturize every component possible?
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I was thinking of comments from the team all along, including drivers, about the car being weak across the board.
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Okay then, is the engine part of our PU better than Mercedes'?
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This is impossible to answer. Do they deliver the same power? Do they deliver the same torque? At the same engine weight? For the same mass of fuel?
If the Mercedes ICE (Internal Combustion Engine) delivers the same amount of power but for 3% less fuel, Mercedes can start the race with 3kg less fuel, hence they run the race with a lighter car every single lap.
Does it deliver the same power at the same fuel flow? Perhaps their ICE is lighter? Are they able to ballast the engine to bring it to minimum weight by placing tungsten plates near the crankshaft, improving the CG (Centre of Gravity)?
Is the engine the same dimensionally? Can they mount it lower, more forward?
As you can see, not one thing makes an ICE "better". It is a delicate balance of available power, torque, size, weight, fuel consumption, software, reliability, etc.
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But then again the Merc ICE is the best of the three hands down,although hard to accept...
Ferrari did ask for engine F1,and sadly they failed on this one...
So maybe Ferrari must just suck it up and admit Merc did a batter job than us...
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I don't think LdM was asking for less aero and more engine just because he thought we'd be automatically better at it.. he'd have to be extremely ignorant if he thought that either of the other car manufacturers didn't know how to build engines. I think he just wanted less emphasis on aero so the racing would be better, passing, closer racing etc. Ferrari wasn't ever going to be above and beyond the others in building the best hybrid drivetrains that they are now using. They have less experience in hybrids than the others.
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Is F14T really to narrow?
http://www.gptoday.com/full_story/vi...o_narrow_F14T/
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Very interesting... if it's true.
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Ferrari insider says Brawn spotted at Maranello
[May 6 (GMM) Specialist Ferrari journalist and author Leo Turrini on Tuesday reports that Ross Brawn has this week been at Maranello and Fiorano.
Turrini, who according to F1 colleague Mathias Brunner "knows everything when it comes to Ferrari" and recently predicted Stefano Domenicali's departure, said the recently-retired former Mercedes boss was seen at the fabled Italian team's headquarters and test circuit.
Brawn, 59, has played down the prospects of a return to Formula One, but many insiders believe the F1 paddock has not seen the last of the highly-rated Briton.
As technical director, he was a key player at Ferrari during the highly-successful Michael Schumacher era, spanning multiple years and titles.
Turrini joked on his Quotidiano blog that Brawn may just be in the Italian region to "buy bananas" or "buy a Ferrari", but there is another obvious hypothesis.
"Marco Mattiacci is a very intelligent person," he wrote, "and perhaps also very persuasive."
Really hope there is some truth to this article and we hear some good news very soon
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Let's hope this is true indeed!Ferrari insider says Brawn spotted at Maranello
[May 6 (GMM) Specialist Ferrari journalist and author Leo Turrini on Tuesday reports that Ross Brawn has this week been at Maranello and Fiorano.
Turrini, who according to F1 colleague Mathias Brunner "knows everything when it comes to Ferrari" and recently predicted Stefano Domenicali's departure, said the recently-retired former Mercedes boss was seen at the fabled Italian team's headquarters and test circuit.
Brawn, 59, has played down the prospects of a return to Formula One, but many insiders believe the F1 paddock has not seen the last of the highly-rated Briton.
As technical director, he was a key player at Ferrari during the highly-successful Michael Schumacher era, spanning multiple years and titles.
Turrini joked on his Quotidiano blog that Brawn may just be in the Italian region to "buy bananas" or "buy a Ferrari", but there is another obvious hypothesis.
"Marco Mattiacci is a very intelligent person," he wrote, "and perhaps also very persuasive."
Really hope there is some truth to this article and we hear some good news very soon
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it was only vacation trip
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>>>Ferrari and Mercedes width comparison<<<
Well, our car is certainly narrower than the Merc, but I just don't understand how can a narrow and streamlined F1 car be a problem? Up until this point everybody was always talking about getting the car as narrow and compact as possible and now that we've accomplished that it's suddenly become a "design flaw"...what the heck?!
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I'm not sure what the article have in mind, but it's worth noting that the body of the car do generate downforce, and this is done by having larger amount, but slower speed air flowing above the car's body. The pressure difference between under the car and above the car is how we generate floor downforce.
I think when it comes to the airflow above the car's body, what you want is to allow a large amount of air flowing through, but you do not want to accelerate the air too much because it's speed difference to the air under the floor is what generates downforce.
Maybe the article is thinking that a sidepod that's too streamline may allow the air to flow faster hence reducing the speed difference, or perhaps a smaller upper area (Ferrari aims for a smaller sidepod space on the top area, while the other teams aims for a deeper undercut) is akin to a wing with smaller surface.
I don't know, just guessing, but I think the article may be over thinking stuff, and the sidepod designs among the top team doesn't have any significance difference in terms of performance. I think Ferrari and Mercedes just have different ways of going about in reducing their sidepods and it's just different, no good or bad.
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But of course it was...
On the too narrow body argument: really? Air is fed through the undercut towards the back of the car, if anything air travelling over the top of the sidepods creates lift, not downforce. Further, bigger sidepods mean more drag which is a bigger issue atm
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drag is our least concern atmo, PU and power delivery and driveabilty is the main main issue.
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If true, at least it is something that can be solved & from the sound of it probably easier than any complete fix for the PU. I feel a little more confident with James Allison on the team that we will get a workable solution to this.
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What I meant was that adding drag before the PU is sorted out would be a big concern as it would hamper performance, I thought that was clearly expressed in my previous post
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The width problem falls within an area that can be modified under the rules. So, while it is a problem, it can be solved. On the other hand, if the turbo is undersized, it is homologated and subject to the freeze. That's a problem that cannot be solved, merely worked around. That is not good.
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Or is the press just using any visible difference with us and Mercedes as an explanation why we are behind right now? I don't buy that narrow is bad..
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>>>Ferrari and Mercedes width comparison<<<
Well, our car is certainly narrower than the Merc, but I just don't understand how can a narrow and streamlined F1 car be a problem? Up until this point everybody was always talking about getting the car as narrow and compact as possible and now that we've accomplished that it's suddenly become a "design flaw"...what the heck?!
Maybe the problem is the ratio between the width of the sidepods at the front and rear and how that maximises the 'coke bottle effect'.
Relevant part of the link:
"Coming a close second to the front wing is the area inside the rear tyres known as the ‘Coke bottle’. Since Alan Jenkins came up with the initial concept for McLaren in the mid-1980s, this is the area that has made single-seater racing cars much more open-wheeled.
This area, and how it functions, is critical to the amount of airflow that is displaced either inside or outside of the rear tyre. If the majority of the flow has to go around the outside of the tyre the drag levels will be increased. In effect this makes the car wider the further rearward you go, which in turn will reduce efficiency of the complete car.
However, persuading more air to flow to the inside is not as simple as making as big a gap as possible by narrowing the bodywork. If the profile of the sidepods is not correct it is very easy to get airflow separation on the inner surface when the car is mid-corner. If this happens it will affect rear downforce and cause the car to snap into oversteer."
http://plus.autosport.com/premium/fe...e-coke-bottle/
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Again some fans fall into rumors whirlpool. One update that we are sure about it is power unit software update. Others are just rumors and remain to be announced.
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[QUOTE=bondilad;841981]Ferrari insider says Brawn spotted at Maranello
[May 6 (GMM) Specialist Ferrari journalist and author Leo Turrini on Tuesday reports that Ross Brawn has this week been at Maranello and Fiorano.
Turrini, who according to F1 colleague Mathias Brunner "knows everything when it comes to Ferrari" and recently predicted Stefano Domenicali's departure, said the recently-retired former Mercedes boss was seen at the fabled Italian team's headquarters and test circuit.
Brawn, 59, has played down the prospects of a return to Formula One, but many insiders believe the F1 paddock has not seen the last of the highly-rated Briton.)
[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula-one/27297818[/url]
“The car (Ferrari’s) has been off the pace of the dominant Mercedes - the development of which was led by Brawn.” Andrew Benson.
I’m sure I’m not the only one to have thought about that. Ross Brawn does not strike me as the kind of man who’d take kindly to being ousted from the very team whose car, with considerable in-put from him, is now the success story of the F1 year.
We can only hope.
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As i written few posts ago no update for spain gp. Update will come later during the year with a B spec car with:
- new nose
- new sidepods
- new rear wing
- new floor
- software update
- new loom
Substantially the article states that car needs to be rebuilt as "too wrong" and we have also to undertake several crash tests. Engine recover impossibile due to smaller compressor.
http://www.f1passion.it/2014/05/f1-f...na-versione-b/
Source is reliable.
I remeber during tests they were stating how we suck big time and got insulted by a member here for posting articles with bad news. If someone is offended i'm sorry and i'll delete it.
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sorry double post
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Simply don't belive it.
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It does seem contrary to what both the Ferrari newsletter and James Allison said about 'improving at every race' rather than coming up with a B spec car in one race.
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