Montezemolo gives Alonso 8 out of 10

[eddie]

Its disheartening, demotivating and counter productive to put someone who is giving 120% at every race weekend a point metrics.

For what purpose is this for?

So Alonso gets an 8, Massa gets even lower?

The boss losing it... sad but true...

Just stop all this negative talk and put the positive energy into making a better car / team for 2014. Like it or not, aero is the future for racing cars. Ferrari of all people should know best...

[grinchy]

What Fernando has done for the past 3-4yrs is amazing. makes u wonder if Fernando gets 8 what does the team get?

[Bertie]

I think 8 is a little harsh when taken out of context. However, if we recall Alonso's season in 2012, which I would rate as nearly perfect. Then in comparison this year was not as good. So knowing what Alonso is capable of, 8 starts to seem fairer than a simple out-performing the car scenario (which he has proven time and again).

[Nero Horse]

Its disheartening, demotivating and counter productive to put someone who is giving 120% at every race weekend a point metrics.

For what purpose is this for?

So Alonso gets an 8, Massa gets even lower?

The boss losing it... sad but true...

Just stop all this negative talk and put the positive energy into making a better car / team for 2014. Like it or not, aero is the future for racing cars. Ferrari of all people should know best...

The media person obviously asked Luca "how he would rate Alonso's performances this season?" And Luca simply answered. They always ask this question from Luca.

[Nero Horse]

I would personally also give Alonso 8/10
6.5/10 for Felipe
6/10 for the car (it was actually a good car but the Pirelli mid-season tyre change destroyed it)
9.5/10 for the team

[Hornet]

The media person obviously asked Luca "how he would rate Alonso's performances this season?" And Luca simply answered. They always ask this question from Luca.

Doesn't mean he has to answer it. He could always say everyone in the team gave their full effort and thats all that matters. The whole rating thing doesn't serve any purpose.

[Stormsearcher]

Doesn't mean he has to answer it. He could always say everyone in the team gave their full effort and thats all that matters. The whole rating thing doesn't serve any purpose.

Fully agree! I dont think any other driver puts as much as Nando does into a team/race. LDM was wrong!

[eddie]

The media person obviously asked Luca "how he would rate Alonso's performances this season?" And Luca simply answered. They always ask this question from Luca.

He could have answered it politically correct or just deflected the question. Agree with Hornet. Silence could have been golden..

[diesel08]

[QUOTE=eddie;817192]He could have answered it politically correct or just deflected the question. Agree with Hornet. Silence could have been golden..[/QUOTE

Luca just want to Alonso. He could answer in many way.

[F2002]

I would have been shocked if he had given him a "5 out of 10" for example, but 8 is reasonable I guess.

Fernando has driven really well this season, but may perhaps have been a bit too vociferous about the failings of the team to deliver a good car, and at times seemed to promote a "me versus the team" view that irritated LDM.

I'm sure he'll get a 10+ when he becomes World Champion next year

[Meiga]

I would have been shocked if he had given him a "5 out of 10" for example, but 8 is reasonable I guess.

Fernando has driven really well this season, but may perhaps have been a bit too vociferous about the failings of the team to deliver a good car, and at times seemed to promote a "me versus the team" view that irritated LDM.

I'm sure he'll get a 10+ when he becomes World Champion next year

But isn't that precisely why LdM hired him? Because he wanted somebody who would become a team leader, which as per any leadership definition includes putting them under pressure to deliver?

I am starting to think that the problem is that LdM does not really know what he wants for Ferrari in terms of team structure. Mind you, I don't think that a driver should be the team leader, I think that role is Domenicalli's - but then he needs to apply the pressure we were talking about, instead of asking people to stay calm.

But what worries me most is the article by Pino Alvelli that was quoted in the other thread and that put very strong and inaccurate words in Alonso's mouth. And it worries me because, unlike a certain Turrini who is continuously boasting of having great insight into Ferrari which I very much doubt is true, Alvelli does. His article has made me seriously think, for the first time, that Alonso could well be leaving Ferrari at the end of next season, no matter the results. And while as you all know I am not a tifosa, I really like it here and would hate it for our interests to diverge in the future.

[F2002]

But isn't that precisely why LdM hired him? Because he wanted somebody who would become a team leader, which as per any leadership definition includes putting them under pressure to deliver?

I am starting to think that the problem is that LdM does not really know what he wants for Ferrari in terms of team structure. Mind you, I don't think that a driver should be the team leader, I think that role is Domenicalli's - but then he needs to apply the pressure we were talking about, instead of asking people to stay calm.

But what worries me most is the article by Pino Alvelli that was quoted in the other thread and that put very strong and inaccurate words in Alonso's mouth. And it worries me because, unlike a certain Turrini who is continuously boasting of having great insight into Ferrari which I very much doubt is true, Alvelli does. His article has made me seriously think, for the first time, that Alonso could well be leaving Ferrari at the end of next season, no matter the results. And while as you all know I am not a tifosa, I really like it here and would hate it for our interests to diverge in the future.

Don't forget that Ferrari is not only Formula One. And that putting pressure on the team to deliver is very acceptable provided that certain discussions are held behind closed doors. We all know that what tipped LDM off was that comment about wanting somebody else's car for his birthday.

In a way, it's like Vettel publicly criticizing the taste of Red Bull in public, saying I'd rather drink someone else's energy drink - would that be acceptable to the bosses?

You make an interesting point about the driver not being the leader, because the role of a Formula One driver has changed in these past few years, and leadership is more about the technical and organizational elements of the team, and hence your comment about Domenicali.

[ManFromMilan]

that comment about wanting somebody else's car for his birthday.

I think you mean a car as fast as his rivals.

And in that i still find no fault in what and how he said it.

But then to publicly make a mountain of a mole hill is where everything else turned unnecessarily sour. With everything that makes Ferrari the team that it is i would rather have a driver that expects more from the team than just one that is just happy to fill a race seat and shut up.

Ferrari's history should be the base and motivation for it's future success and not an excuse to peddle midfield in mediocrity.

Hopefully next year will see the return of the mighty Ferrari that we all love.

[Meiga]

Don't forget that Ferrari is not only Formula One. And that putting pressure on the team to deliver is very acceptable provided that certain discussions are held behind closed doors. We all know that what tipped LDM off was that comment about wanting somebody else's car for his birthday.

In a way, it's like Vettel publicly criticizing the taste of Red Bull in public, saying I'd rather drink someone else's energy drink - would that be acceptable to the bosses?

You make an interesting point about the driver not being the leader, because the role of a Formula One driver has changed in these past few years, and leadership is more about the technical and organizational elements of the team, and hence your comment about Domenicali.

But wasn't that a personal comment from Alonso to LdM? I may well be wrong here, so happy to be corrected. In any case, the whole thing was seriously escalated when the Horse Whisperer decided to spill some more beans from the official Ferrari website. I am not an expert in PR, but I have often said here that I really don't understand what the Ferrari PR guys are up to; from the handling of Raikkonen's dismissal to today, I have seen what for my untrained eyes are serious mistakes on their side, although in all fairness to them had it been any other team rather than Ferrari no journalist would have picked on those. But hey, they are Ferrari, they know that the world is hanging on every single uttered word from the team.

[F2002]

I think you mean a car as fast as his rivals.

And in that i still find no fault in what and how he said it.

Yes, I personally prefer that interpretation as well.

But wasn't that a personal comment from Alonso to LdM?

Just to clarify, that comment was made publicly, in a post-race interview.

[Nick Singer]

Is it my imagination or did WEB say something to ALO when they were first talking together, just before going onto the podium about a 'decent car'?

It would not surprise me if had WEB wished ALO that for 2014!

[Kingdom Hearts]

Is it my imagination or did WEB say something to ALO when they were first talking together, just before going onto the podium about a 'decent car'?

It would not surprise me if had WEB wished ALO that for 2014!

I think he said something like "too bad you didn't have a better car this season".

[Senna4Ever]

I think he said something like "too bad you didn't have a better car this season".

jop,
i think something like that was it ...

[Petronius]

jop,
i think something like that was it ...

Car looked quite promising yesterday, I would say second best after RB. Result Alonso achieved was therefor in line. Too bad Massa got the penalty.

[Kingdom Hearts]

Car looked quite promising yesterday, I would say second best after RB. Result Alonso achieved was therefor in line. Too bad Massa got the penalty.

I think the car was 3rd at best in my opinion, 4 or 5 races at the beginning and one at the end does not make the car 2nd best overall, for me that was the Lotus, but I don't think their drivers extracted the most from the car in many races, specially Grosjean.