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Thread: Jerez Testing (finally)

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    Are all Renault powered teams using the same Electronic Recovery Systems? Is it all part of the same powerplant package?

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    f1today: Force India had a problem with the fuel supply earlier today, that is why Nico Hulkenberg stopped on track. And the late start was caused by a problem with the gearbox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed Harley View Post
    But perhaps the software problems may cause engine/KERS/ERS/whatever run too hot.

    Making openings etc. to the sidepods should no be too difficult to do if the possible problem lies solely in the tight packaging.
    I cant believe thats so easy to solve,like Pat Fry said,if you have overheating problems especially this year,is going to cost you a lot of time that you are losing instead of developing the car,and even if you solve them,drilling holes cant begood for aero.
    "Sebastian,Daniel is Faster Than you"
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedPassion View Post
    No Renault said this is not their problem it is RBs one,and a very difficult to solve because of the complications this year and because having a ERS fail means game over.
    Renault has their problems, but yes, it's also RedBull's packaging that's making it hard work. BUT it's solvable, and probably will be solved soon enough. That's the point i wanted to get across, seeing that some are writing them off already even though their car looks really well designed and a perspective front runner.

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    Edit : never mind

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    Quote Originally Posted by tifosi1993 View Post
    New sidepod fins



    Where? Those look like the launch-spec to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubbles View Post
    Where? Those look like the launch-spec to me.
    Sure they are new, the horizontal fins at the middle of the sides of the sidepods were never there.

    SCRATCH THAT. MY bad. Somehow never noticed em, but found them in older pics.

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    Merc will be very very strog

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forzi View Post
    Sure they are new, the horizontal fins at the middle of the sides of the sidepods were never there.
    Yes they were. Check from Kimi's run, you'll see them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forzi View Post
    Sure they are new, the horizontal fins at the middle of the sides of the sidepods were never there.
    No he is right. Those are shadows.

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    they say that the Marussia is out on track, photos anyone???

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    This year the Ferrari RED colour is wonderful in the direct sunshine.

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    Nice to see Ferrari continue doing aero work

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    Yh they don't look new, just a different angle than we have seen! did get me thinking tho

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubbles View Post
    Yes they were. Check from Kimi's run, you'll see them.
    Yeah, edited the post. A bit odd i didn't notice em earlier. On the launch we didn't really get this kind of angle of the car.

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    Ian Parkes @ianparkesf1

    Red Bull are done for the day as Christian Horner and Adrian Newey have just been driven out of the circuit

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    newey and allison already questioning the legality of the mclaren suspension. it is a moving aero device!!!
    Hell would have broken loose

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forzi View Post
    Sure they are new, the horizontal fins at the middle of the sides of the sidepods were never there.

    SCRATCH THAT. MY bad. Somehow never noticed em, but found them in older pics.
    No problemo!

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    Quote Originally Posted by anakin View Post
    newey and allison already questioning the legality of the mclaren suspension. it is a moving aero device!!!
    If other teams' engineers are questioning Your cars legality, You're doing a good job!
    Thats how F1 works.
    Meanwhile, it either says something or just nothing that Alonso, Schumacher and Raikkonen have reputedly spared a F1 podium on five occasions and Fernando has stood on the top step on every occasion. He's F1's first among equals. (PG)

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    Quote Originally Posted by anakin View Post
    newey and allison already questioning the legality of the mclaren suspension. it is a moving aero device!!!
    The entire shape is structural so it's legal. Rather sure FIA already approved it.

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    @paolofilise

    #F1Jerez Red Bull problem is a packaging problem. Battery and ERS elements are too close to heat sources and suffer quick overheating

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    Quote Originally Posted by medeni73 View Post
    Can't judge the sidepods, is it tiny or bulky?

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    Quote Originally Posted by medeni73 View Post
    @paolofilise

    #F1Jerez Red Bull problem is a packaging problem. Battery and ERS elements are too close to heat sources and suffer quick overheating
    So they probably have to put heat shields in there, air alone just won't do it. Not good for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M.K View Post
    If other teams' engineers are questioning Your cars legality, You're doing a good job!
    Thats how F1 works.
    Not always,and i dont believe we should loose time discussing about othe teams
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    Not that it is a moving aero device...but this...

    McLaren's rear-suspension looks to have aroused yet another team's interest, with Red Bull's Adrian Newey questioning its legality. The Woking squad, which struggled throughout 2013 and are looking to bounce back this year, debuted an innovative suspension solution at the rear which mimics the now-banned beam-wing. Newey suspects it falls foul of the technical regulations though. "I have not seen the photos but as it is described, it sounds as though there are eight suspension elements, where only six are allowed," he said. "Moreover, there are clear rules for the width of the suspension." However, the FIA's Charlie Whiting is believed to have signed the design off as legal, and therefore a team must file a protest if they want action to be taken. If not, copying the idea could be very difficult for some of the teams, including Red Bull, Ferrari and Mercedes, according to technical analyst Gary Anderson. - See more at: http://www.f1times.co.uk/news/displa....VT5Pd0o8.dpuf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forzi View Post
    The entire shape is structural so it's legal. Rather sure FIA already approved it.
    From Planet F1-

    Full Article- http://www.planetf1.com/driver/18227...aises-eyebrows

    Since re-designing the entire rear suspension layout is an arduous task, it comes as no surprise that Red Bull's technical wizard believes McLaren's solution is illegal.

    "I have not seen the photos," he said, "but as it is described, it sounds as though there are eight suspension elements, where only six are allowed.

    "Moreover, there are clear rules for the width of the suspension."
    ~FORZA FERRARI~

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    http://www.f1technical.net/development/435

    The team's approach is far away from drag reduction. Instead, the elements are rather big with a cross section similar to a mushroom lying down on its side. Before we see how it works, it needs to be noted that the design has already been cleared as legal by the FIA. This means that the entire shape is structural, as otherwise the thick fairing would be considered as banned moving bodywork as per Article 10.3.4 of the Technical Regulations.

    Article 10.3.1 further stipulate limitations to the cross section of the suspension arms, saying its longest dimension (main axis) may not be move than 100mm, and this axis can only be up to 5° off from being parallel to the reference plane. On top of that, the section must also be parallel among its main axis.

    So, what McLaren have done is create a wishbone in the shape of a bell on its side. It's length is likely to be very close or exactly 100mm, while the height looks to be of similar dimension. This means the section has an aspect ration of close to 1:1, must less than the maximum allowed 3.5:1, therefore making the entire part legal.

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