Jerez Testing (finally)

[Jas]

F1: FIA to clarify new nose designs










By Auto123.com,

Thursday, January 30, 2014








From GMM

The FIA, the Federation internationale de l’automobile, is reportedly unhappy with some of the nose solutions of the new Formula 1 cars that are currently being tested laps at Jerez.

Germany's Sport Bild reported on Thursday that a major row is brewing in southern Spain, after top teams Mercedes, Ferrari and Red Bull Racing unveiled cars with mainly conventional low noses for the new season.


F1 Red Bull RB10 nose
Red Bull RB10. (Photo: WRi2)

But other teams, notably Sahara Force India and Toro Rosso and co, have been attracting phallic descriptions of their 'anteater' thin noses.

Those with the more conventional noses argue that, while the thin noses may comply with the letter of the regulations, they pose a spear-like danger to rival cars in collisions.

Other rivals argue that some cars may effectively submarine under others in rear end collisions.


F1 Toro Rosso STR9 nose
Toro Rosso STR9. (Photo: WRi2)

Sport Bild said the top three teams want the FIA to re-write the rules to disallow the thin noses on safety grounds.

But the publication said it knows that FIA president Jean Todt is preparing to take the small teams' side.


F1 Sahara Force India VJM07 nose
Sahara Force India VJM07. (Photo: WRi2)

Germany's Auto Motor und Sport, on the other hand, said the governing body has launched an investigation, aiming to conclude whether some teams have "gone too far" with their 2014 noses.

And the report said even the low-nosed Red Bull and Mercedes teams are being put under the microscope, since the very tips of the noses are almost paper-thin, with the actual crash structure located much further back -- and higher, contrary to the intention of the new rules.

"This fills the letter but not the spirit of the regulations," an FIA source was quoted as saying.

[radosav]

Mclarens suspension could be new '' passive DDRS''. Remember that device?
Mercedes never got it right, Lotus spent few years without any result!
Mclaren could have huge problems with it! Who knows how will affect air around diffuser !
They could lose much time if doesn't work right!

[Nova]

"This fills the letter but not the spirit of the regulations," an FIA source was quoted as saying."

Getting silly already? So now teams must follow the letters and what?
How does one follow "the spirit" of the regulations?
If they wanted a return to early 90's looking noses, they should of put it in...tadaaa...letters. Go figure...

[Kiwi Nick]

Firstly, they weren't that slower in a straight line, and secondly this is fuel saving era, different game mate.

Sorry, mate, but I'll take down force every time. High down force and high cornering speed = speed without fuel usage. High down force and good traction = better acceleration with the same fuel usage.

[SilverSpeed]

Funny how every evening Renault says it know it has got problems but it has got all the persons and equipement to solve the issue in the night and they will see problems fixed for the next day.

2x in a row and 3 days failed lol gg!

[Nova]

It's not "disrespectful" at all it's realistic, in case you haven't noticed Williams have been among the backmarkers for many years now, and unless they have found some magic wand from somewhere, they won't be suddenly going from being one of the bottom teams to being one of the top team within 3 months, come on now. But then again, who knows...we'll see how it pans out in the end.

Honda didnt do that when they became Brawn...
Find a magic wand, I mean.

[ManFromMilan]

Write the rules correctly and there need not be "within the spirit of the rules".

Rules should be well thought out and clear in layman's terms so that there can be no confusion of what the "spirit" of the rule might have meant.

And then apply it, to the letter, to everyone within F1.

[Kiwi Nick]

"This fills the letter but not the spirit of the regulations," an FIA source was quoted as saying."

Getting silly already? So now teams must follow the letters and what?
How does one follow "the spirit" of the regulations?
If they wanted a return to early 90's looking noses, they should of put it in...tadaaa...letters. Go figure...

The onus is always on the regulation writers to translate the "spirit" into the "letter" of the regulations. And it is the teams responsibility to meet the letter of the regulations. If teams do not meet the spirit, it is the fault of those who wrote the regulations.

[Nero Horse]

Honda didnt do that when they became Brawn...
Find a magic wand, I mean.

True. I was actually thinking the same thing, in F1 you never know what surprises might come up...

I just hope that they haven't found that "magic wand" cause the last thing we need is another serious competitor.

[stefa]

Again Ferrari had a good day?

[Stebandelareina]

Fernando says that he founds exacting the same impressions of kimi yesterday. They are sharing data together.

I just read that this days we were taking data and working on the base, and tomorrow we start to improve the car. Also, I read that Alonso use the winter tires most of the time.

Few days ago I read that the Ferrari's program was compare data in Jerez, with the tunel, cdf and simulator data, and in Bahrein we may can see new nose and some parts more.

[Unbannable II]

Sorry, mate, but I'll take down force every time. High down force and high cornering speed = speed without fuel usage. High down force and good traction = better acceleration with the same fuel usage.

Yes but they will use more fuel in straights fighting that drag, and with fuel saving playing a big part this year that means they will have to tune down the engine more than the others, witch will compensate the gains in corners a little bit. I'm not saying it"s not helping them, I'm saying it might be worth only a couple of thents in the end. And then there is a question of how good is the rest of the car, did they have to compromise something to get it to work.

[Senna4Ever]

Again Ferrari had a good day?

In my point of view: yes, absolutely ... others may have different view of course ...
Alonso was quick from the start on and what matters more this week for me: making many laps without big issues ...

[Nero Horse]

Again Ferrari had a good day?

Could've been a little bit better, but it was alright...we're just keeping our heads down and concentrating on our own testing program, which is a good thing.

[Rob]

Another good start in Jerez

Jerez de la Frontera, 30 January – At the risk of sounding boring, the first half of the third day of testing for Scuderia Ferrari and nine other teams at Jerez, can be summed up, at least for the Prancing Horse squad, in the same way as the previous two days, which is to say it’s been a good start.

This time the start refers to Fernando Alonso, back behind the wheel of a Ferrari Formula 1 car for the first time after the winter break. This was the Oviedo man’s debut in the F14 T and the first hours have gone well.

So far, Fernando has covered 32 laps, the quickest in a time of 1.25.495. There was just one small glitch in the technical programme, when the car briefly stopped out on track, but the work was already back on schedule before the team stopped for lunch. In the afternoon, the work will continue on car development and on set-up changes.

- See more at: http://formula1.ferrari.com/news/goo....4iCQRhUg.dpuf

[Tobes]

Write the rules correctly and there need not be "within the spirit of the rules".

Rules should be well thought out and clear in layman's terms so that there can be no confusion of what the "spirit" of the rule might have meant.

And then apply it, to the letter, to everyone within F1.

I disagree, the rules should be slightly ambiguous, this generates room for various designs, if the rules are specific to the letter then we'll just have 22 identical looking cars, the ambiguity in the rules creates differing solutions, I think this is correct...

[Stebandelareina]

Red Bull Racing , had sent a request for clarification to the FIA regulations about the rear suspension gadget of the Mclaren

[qb_marukochan]

[RedPassion]

Red Bull Racing , had sent a request for clarification to the FIA regulations about the rear suspension gadget of the Mclaren

This is the only thing they can do without mistakes,protesting on other teams,i hope that we as Ferrari smash them in the face when it comes that they need an agreement from other teams about some "RELIABILITY" issue that they will get.It should be better for them to start work hard on their car instead of making noise

[RedPassion]

I disagree, the rules should be slightly ambiguous, this generates room for various designs, if the rules are specific to the letter then we'll just have 22 identical looking cars, the ambiguity in the rules creates differing solutions, I think this is correct...

I agree too,rules should be even more ambiguous.

[Ed Harley]

This is the only thing they can do without mistakes,protesting on other teams,i hope that we as Ferrari smash them in the face when it comes that they need an agreement from other teams about some "RELIABILITY" issue that they will get.It should be better for them to start work hard on their car instead of making noise

IMHO a request for clarification is not a protest.

[qb_marukochan]

quoted from someone who got himself on track in f1technical

After 25 years of being an F1 fan, I got myself to the track today. My first impressions of the new engines are how quiet the cars sound. But tHey do have a beautifully technical rort and whistle to them. I will say that on the very rare occasions that there were 2 cars in a corner it was much more pleasing. I think the V8s cocofony would mean you'd need ear defenders but the muted tones of the turbos would mean you could enjoy the sounds uncovered.

The Ferrari, Mclaren and Merc seemed really hooked up. Alonso particularly seemed very loose and confiddent with getting squirally. The car was hooked up well. All 3 of thoses cars looked really beautiful. The dodgy noses look much worse in the pictures. The light and shadows hide them well. It's not a problem at all for me.

When they eventually fired Massas Williams up, he looked great in it. Really lively. They actually look like they could take the odd podium.

All the Ferrari and Merc powered motors seemed to be running really nicely. Both outfits seemed like they have really done their homework. Especially the mercs. All Renaults seem like they are in a heap of trouble. The Toro Rosso sounded awful. Particularly off throttle. Obviously they have transfered the throttle tech over from the atmospherics, but It sounded like it was really struggling to come back on throttle. A strange pickup. They seemed really slow.

It was overall a great day, but the whole thing seemed more subdued to how I feel it would have been before. Not very rock and roll. It's like a wild child come good, going from the tattoed hells angel look to a suit and brogues. Not sure which I prefer, but I guess it's the future.

[AfterLife]

Red Bull has problems. Ok, No Problem. It is the just internal problems and Renault along Red Bull will fix it. No doubt.
Once they fix the internal issues, they will bounce back to sort out their developing program, Their in season rate of developments always are massive. So they are still the favorites IMO.
Remember Brawn in 2009 while the car was designed around Honda Engine and there were a lot of trouble to fit the Mercedes engine in the car, finally the car was 7 tenth of a second faster than the others and the only team that could managed to annoy Brawn team was RedBull. Why? Because of their massive rate of in season car developing.
It is so raw that someone write off RedBull at this stage of season.

[wisepie]

Write the rules correctly and there need not be "within the spirit of the rules".

Rules should be well thought out and clear in layman's terms so that there can be no confusion of what the "spirit" of the rule might have meant.

And then apply it, to the letter, to everyone within F1.

+ 1, about time some sense prevailed and any ambiguity outlawed completely, then there would be no 'interpretation' to make excuses for.

[Ed Harley]

I would not write off anyone at this point or draw too many hasty conclusions of even Ferrari's situation. Preseason tests show perhaps direction but first races will tell better the actual performance of the teams.

Five engines for the season. Five. Jeez...

[stefa]

In my point of view: yes, absolutely ... others may have different view of course ...
Alonso was quick from the start on and what matters more this week for me: making many laps without big issues ...

Good

[erikejw]

AUTOSPORT's F1 technical expert Gary Anderson looks at the problems the world champion squad is having.

The reason for the stoppage hasn't yet emerged, but this is worrying for Red Bull given that the new RB10 has managed a grand total of 11 complete laps in two-and-a-half days.

The technical rumour mill in the paddock suggests that Renault is less than pleased with Red Bull's installation of the control electronics in its 2014 car.

Hmm, did they put it in the gearbox ;)
They obviously needed to fill last years KERS battery holes ;)

[Stebandelareina]

I'm a little worry about the F1 right now
1 Tom Dillmann Hilmer Motorsport 1:24.400

This is the time of one of the GP2 Test in Jerez last year.

Right now, in test, most of the F1 cars are slower than the GP2. I hope that tomorrow the times will come down to 1.20.00, or we well face that on GP2 can do Q3 in australia

[RedPassion]

Hmm, did they put it in the gearbox ;)
They obviously needed to fill last years KERS battery holes ;)

Maybe they mounted it upside down

[tpe]

3 days of test.
I don't to say if we are fast or not, but, I would like to see a really fast lap from us.
As for RB, I don't care. I just enjoy the irony. Red Bull decided to use the Renault Engines instead of the Ferrari engines because of the cooling requirements of the later.

Now, it's obvious that the Mercedes Engines are good. How good? I don't know.

As for McLaren, I hope that it's illegal. Because otherwise, and if McCheaters are not running glory runs for the eyes of Sony, we are in trouble...