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    After all that has been said and done during this testing period, I'm still not convinced at all that we are behind anyone and even IF we are, then it certainly isn't as big a gap as some people seem to think. I believe that we can be in a very, very good shape in Australia despite all the doom and gloom predictions from some pessimistic people. And I wouldn't read too much into what the British media has to say about us, they will of course always praise their own teams/drivers and try to put us down as much as possible.

    And I'm also not entirely convinced that RB is in that bad shape as they seem right now. In fact I wouldn't be surprised at all if in Australia they would be on top of the timing charts again (hopefully not, but it would be really foolish to count them out based on their testing form).

    We'll find out exactly who is where in Melbourne, until then it's all just guessing and pure speculation.


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    We are third fastest according to James Allen, but very close with Williams.

    Although Alonso was managing problems during his race simulation.

    Quote Originally Posted by James Allen
    The winter testing is over and now the teams have just over a week to prepare for the new F1 season which kicks off in Melbourne.

    It’s been clear throughout the three tests in Jerez and Bahrain with the radical new hybrid turbo power units that we are seeing a different competition in F1 from recent years with Mercedes looking strong and Red Bull struggling, but what is the pecking order going into the first race and what trends are there to consider?

    As ever, with the help and input of JA on F1 Technical adviser Mark Gillan, formerly of Williams and Toyota, we have detailed analysis backed up with graphs based on lap times from the final test, to share with F1 fans, eager to know who’s hot and who’s not.


    A clear picture at the front

    Mercedes are clearly out front as the new season starts, there is no doubt about that. In both low fuel and high fuel running (race preparation) they have the edge in pace and the reliability is generally good, although they have suffered problems. Gearbox issues restricted running this week in Bahrain, for example.

    Behind them it’s close between Williams and Ferrari with Williams probably having the edge. Considering how bad Williams was last season, they have reason to be the happiest of any team after the tests, as Frank Williams’ smile in our top image shows. It’s close with Ferrari, but Williams look as though they shade it, although Ferrari didn’t really do low fuel headline laps. The high fuel running is comparable between the two teams. That said there will be new development parts coming for Melbourne, so it may swing back to Ferrari, but that is the top three at the moment.

    Behind them, with a gap, it’s the two other Mercedes powered teams, McLaren and Force India. It’s hard to tell in which order; McLaren was certainly more competitive in the early testing, but hasn’t showed as much recently, while Force India did only high fuel running at the end of the week with Hulkenberg after Perez had topped the time sheets on the first two days.

    Behind them it’s very hard to draw any conclusions, beyond the obvious point that Renault engined teams are struggling to do mileage and appear to be running the engine below full power in order to get some mileage done to learn about the chassis.


    The Mercedes engined cars

    Consider the graph above of Mercedes powered cars. Mercedes runs and groupings show consistency and pace and the tyre degradation is pretty low. “Mercedes engineers looking at this graph will be pleased with where they are so far,” says Gillan. “Day 4 wasn’t so great as they had some problems, but Day 3 with Rosberg was very consistent. They are the team to beat in Melbourne.”

    This is no surprise, the picture has been this way for some time during testing.

    Williams is perhaps the surprise package. The car looks quick in both low fuel and high fuel specification. They didn’t do much high fuel running in the last two days of the test, but Massa set the fastest time of the test with a lap which caught the eye.

    This little grouping of laps with Alonso in red and Bottas in blue, shows a comparable trend in high fuel running between the Williams and the Ferrari. They look quite evenly matched for race pace.

    The team has not however been showboating this week; the lap times have come and the car has been very reliable, but it has been doing a lot of detailed correlation work, as the image below shows, measuring the vortices coming off the inside shoulder of the front tyres and off the front suspension to compare to wind tunnel data.


    Renault teams unlikely to score points in Australia

    “There is nothing there, even in the short runs to get excited about,” says Gillan. “It looks like they have wound the engine back to be able to get some laps on the board. It is very difficult to read much into the speed trap times too, but the teams have sound analysis equipment at the track so they will no exactly how many revs the Renault engined teams were using. It looks to me as though the engines were turned down, though.”

    Toro Rosso was doing some laps with not disastrous lap times but it’s hard to draw conclusions without a consistent showing form Red Bull as a reference.

    Lotus and Red Bull have done very limited mileage and seem to have a number of problems to deal with. Lotus engineers don’t sound too hopeful of finishing in Australia.

    “With the first four races all long hauls it is very hard to get to the bottom of the problems over these first weeks of the season,” says Gillan. “If I was in their situation I would be very concerned. You would want to have done a race distance or, failing that, at least blocks of long runs.”

    Red Bull managed a 17 lap run towards the end of Day 4.

    In contrast Mercedes and Williams have hit the target of 5,000km of testing, which is what engineers aim for from three four-day single car tests.


    Tyres look more durable

    One things we can say with reasonable certainty is that tyres will not be the main talking point this year. The Pirellis used in the test appear to be more durable and there is no sign from our graphs of the severe tyre degradation we saw at this stage last year. This is Pirelli’s fourth year in F1 and they have learned a lot. The situation appears to have normalised and although the difference between compounds at race will add strategic interest to the races and the drivers will still need to take care not to ruin them with wheelspin from these high torque engines, they shouldn’t be the focus of attention.

    That will be reliability at the outset.
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    3rd best is believable which is what I predicted Ferrari would be at best. This is nothing to be ashamed of or be negative about. Look at the last few years with the exception of 2013 where our car just simply worked well with the tyres but it was never was inherently fast. So we have improved with where we start from it appears in comparison to the previous years. That in itself is a positive. Competition is going to be fierce but I say bring it on because we are Ferrari and we never give up!

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    not too worried about being 3rd fastest. As long as the cars ahead are not miles ahead. I have a feeling that fuel conservation will come in to play. Now if the rumours of the Ferrari being more thirsty are true then i would think we are in trouble.
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    For me, Williams and Red Bull have been the story of the tests. Merc and Ferrari are pretty much performing as I expected.

    Williams seem to have really embraced their Merc power unit and built the most reliable car running, and reliability will earn lots of points before the teams return to Europe. There may be some question about how fast they really are but they will out perform any team that doesn't make it to the finish.

    RBR seems almost not to care. They have had several weeks since the grave problems with Renault became apparent and they have made no visible progress. Even if their chassis is good, and I am sure that it is, if they can't make the engine work it doesn't matter

    Macca seem to be mucking about with the worst performance of the Merc powered cars. With turmoil in Woking, the accidental WDC and a rookie as drivers, Macca will be fighting it out with Force India.

    I really think it is down to Mercedes and Ferrari. Merc appears to have the edge, but Ferrari may be able to draw even with a possible edge in two areas that were not measured in testing. First, Ferrari may be more efficient in fuel usage and it may have more ERS power available than was being used in the tests.

    Drivers are always important, but I think less so this year. They don't have much control over mechanical failures. The best driver pairs are at Mercedes and Ferrari, with the edge going to Ferrari. Williams and Force India have the second best pairs. RBR have a #1 who is as good as anybody and a #2 who may or may not be good. Macca have a funny combination of inexperience and low aggression, a rookie and a #1 at the end of his career.

    So, I say the pecking order going into Melbourne is Mercedes, Ferrari/Williams (tied for second), Force India, Macca. RBR is a wildcard, they could be mid-pack fighting with Sauber, or they could figure out the Renault PU and be in the top three. My bet is that RBR will dig such a big hole for themselves before returning to Europe, that their season will center around building for 2015.

    Of course, everything I have said here goes out the window when the lights go out in Albert Park.

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    Spectators at Bahrain who can see the cars up close have noticed how unstable and difficult to drive the Ferrari is. The car lacks traction (nothing new) and is a handful in the slow corners. Ferrari were unable to fix this during 2011, 2012, 2013 (which they blamed on their inability to get their exhaust blown diffuser working) and they really should have no more excuses now.
    And to put to bed the sandbagging rumours, Sauber who normally post very fast times during testing to attract sponsors did not do so this year. Moreover, a sandbagging car would not be so unstable around the track. I believe we have shown out true pace, what is left now is to claw back a 2 second deficit to Mercedes (again nothing new here, just another team this time). Hard times for Ferrari. And for those who still don't believe, you will in two weeks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jose-Lorca Fan View Post
    Spectators at Bahrain who can see the cars up close have noticed how unstable and difficult to drive the Ferrari is. The car lacks traction (nothing new) and is a handful in the slow corners. Ferrari were unable to fix this during 2011, 2012, 2013 (which they blamed on their inability to get their exhaust blown diffuser working) and they really should have no more excuses now.
    And to put to bed the sandbagging rumours, Sauber who normally post very fast times during testing to attract sponsors did not do so this year. Moreover, a sandbagging car would not be so unstable around the track. I believe we have shown out true pace, what is left now is to claw back a 2 second deficit to Mercedes (again nothing new here, just another team this time). Hard times for Ferrari. And for those who still don't believe, you will in two weeks.
    I don't know why we have had such issues with traction. Since the team modified the rear suspension (2011) with costas 'hybrid' rear push rod we have gone backwards with traction, and since the rear complete switch to pull rod we have struggled more than the others to solve the traction issues. We are the only team to run pull rod front and rear, wonder whether this is a factor. All I hope is that keeping this front pull rod setup is not to keep pat fry from losing face. Also part of me just wants to cut off as many controversies as possible with the previous years cars and start fresh as much as possible. It would just shock me if we switched the front and suddenly found a second (wishful thinking)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jose-Lorca Fan View Post
    Spectators at Bahrain who can see the cars up close have noticed how unstable and difficult to drive the Ferrari is. The car lacks traction (nothing new) and is a handful in the slow corners. Ferrari were unable to fix this during 2011, 2012, 2013 (which they blamed on their inability to get their exhaust blown diffuser working) and they really should have no more excuses now.
    And to put to bed the sandbagging rumours, Sauber who normally post very fast times during testing to attract sponsors did not do so this year. Moreover, a sandbagging car would not be so unstable around the track. I believe we have shown out true pace, what is left now is to claw back a 2 second deficit to Mercedes (again nothing new here, just another team this time). Hard times for Ferrari. And for those who still don't believe, you will in two weeks.
    You were in Bahrain personally asking all the spectators what they thought about the Ferrari car???

    Oh how I would love to see pessimists like you to be proven wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jose-Lorca Fan View Post
    Spectators at Bahrain who can see the cars up close have noticed how unstable and difficult to drive the Ferrari is. The car lacks traction (nothing new) and is a handful in the slow corners. Ferrari were unable to fix this during 2011, 2012, 2013 (which they blamed on their inability to get their exhaust blown diffuser working) and they really should have no more excuses now.
    And to put to bed the sandbagging rumours, Sauber who normally post very fast times during testing to attract sponsors did not do so this year. Moreover, a sandbagging car would not be so unstable around the track. I believe we have shown out true pace, what is left now is to claw back a 2 second deficit to Mercedes (again nothing new here, just another team this time). Hard times for Ferrari. And for those who still don't believe, you will in two weeks.
    LOL big time at your statement...do you personally know people that went to the Bahrain test and told you teh in's and out's of how it went and that's how you came to the conclusion that Ferrari is doing that bad?????????????

    if not, and i think you're making all this crap up and NO ONE in their right mind would dare think that Ferrari is TWO seconds slower then the best

    i'm laughing because this is a good JOKE you're telling us...although the PUNCH line is quite LAME...
    So the SF-24 has been a decent car. Lets hope that the totally redesigned from the ground up SF-25 contender will be a beast that will give us tifosi something to smile about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FerrariF60 View Post
    LOL big time at your statement...do you personally know people that went to the Bahrain test and told you teh in's and out's of how it went and that's how you came to the conclusion that Ferrari is doing that bad?????????????

    if not, and i think you're making all this crap up and NO ONE in their right mind would dare think that Ferrari is TWO seconds slower then the best

    i'm laughing because this is a good JOKE you're telling us...although the PUNCH line is quite LAME...
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    I think we are in better shape than the last couple of years. Sure we all now Merc is looking better at the moment, however, we have Alonso which I think is the best driver out there and also Kimi, who in his own right is a very good driver. I must laugh at some of the posts about "doom and gloom". The season hasn't even started yet and some of you are already suggesting to forget this season etc etc. Way to be supportive of the team.

    Anyways, two more weeks and we shall see how competitive we are amongst the other teams.

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    You only need to look at the ferrari to see why its slow, it just does not look like a well put together sophisticated car, compared to the mercedes. The nose slope is clumsy, and it just looks a very average package, while the mercedes looks like a slick sophisticated beast. Stefano fired the wrong designer in 2011, because Mercedes has improved since aldo joined them while we have remained mediocre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OSS EL BOSS View Post
    Domenicali when he said Ferrari is smaller than Mercedes, was talking about number of people working in the engine department:
    I'm not sure if Stefano is talking about the entire company or just the F1 division. But I don't think that should be a point worth talking about. As far as F1 side is concern, we should be prepare with whatever resources and manpower it takes to be competitive. This is what we wanted.

    IMO we're not the underdog and there's nothing for us to prove. If we were to fail, then we will fail as a big team, not a small team trying to fight with a monster team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pluto View Post
    You only need to look at the ferrari to see why its slow, it just does not look like a well put together sophisticated car, compared to the mercedes. The nose slope is clumsy, and it just looks a very average package, while the mercedes looks like a slick sophisticated beast. Stefano fired the wrong designer in 2011, because Mercedes has improved since aldo joined them while we have remained mediocre.
    Really not understanding all these affirmation without knowledge. How can you judge, only by looking at it, if a fw/rw/nose is messed up or extremely good?

    It's a sort of frustration reading all these comments that treat F1 engineers like newbies. They have degrees, knowledge and tools to do their job, let them work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tifosi1993 View Post
    Really not understanding all these affirmation without knowledge. How can you judge, only by looking at it, if a fw/rw/nose is messed up or extremely good?

    It's a sort of frustration reading all these comments that treat F1 engineers like newbies. They have degrees, knowledge and tools to do their job, let them work.
    its just a general perception I get, its nothing definitive, but usually great cars look fast, and just look 'right'. Everything fits together as a package, and they appear sophisticated. The Redbulls of recent years have been this way, and so has the mercedes of this year and last year, while The Ferrari's just look conservative in comparison. The nose design just looks clumsy, and the fact the car seems slow, supports my thoughts. The way it drops down is really sharp, in comparison to the smooth curves of the other cars.

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    I am more confident in taking the fight to Merc given what we know today.
    Alonso, S.D. and the team clearly know where they are lacking in their use of the PU, so there is much to gain on this front.

    Most importantly, the aero correlation between track and tunnel is working well. So at least we have the tools to fight this year.

    We wont be the quickest in Melbourne but at least we have the chance to be the most reliable while we sort our stuff out.

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    Can anyone confirm any of the following.
    1) What tires did Fernando set his fastest time on? Some say SS, some as Unknown and some as unmarked tires.
    2) How many laps old were the tires when he did his fastest time?
    3) How many more laps did he do after his fastest time before pitting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nand0Nand0 View Post
    Can anyone confirm any of the following.
    1) What tires did Fernando set his fastest time on? Some say SS, some as Unknown and some as unmarked tires.
    2) How many laps old were the tires when he did his fastest time?
    3) How many more laps did he do after his fastest time before pitting?
    Would be good to have the same answers for Lewis's fast lap also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stefa View Post
    Two more weeks of speculations.... Uffff... One has to live through it

    (I hope Hermann doesn't mind to use his 'cat')

    Maybe best would be close this thread of speculations until after the race in Australia ...
    or until end of the season and award then
    - "Lemming of the season" for believe in everything official Ferrari says, stay always positive, see the glass if half full and always talk things nice (Award can be named Stefano)
    or
    - "Glory hunter of the season" for always being distrusted, see the glass is more than half empty and talk things bad ... (Award can be named GaryAnderson)

    until then: have a rest and enjoy racing (and boycott Sotchi)

    One thing is for sure: it has been a long while since it was that worth to get up early for watching what will be really happen when it counts ....
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    I say one thing at this stage: do not underestimate Kimi Räikkönen!! He is fast, but also a master in finishing races and drive the best possible result. If he can finish 3rd in his first come-back year at Lotus... Think also how he helped developing the car there over 2 years!

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    I'm getting winter testing withdrawals. Can't wait for the season to start.

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    It really irritates me to hear pessimistic people speak with such certainty!!!! Ι mean would they keep talking like this if they had something to lose when they proven wrong??? For example in this forum the people who say for sure that we are way back (almost 2sec) and useless to develop a car inseason, if they proven right they will say "i told you so" and if they proven wrong they will be happy that "their" team is in front!!! But if they knew that they could danned, for example, i wonder they would keep talking like that????
    I dont have any problems with those who express a certain fear but hope for the best!!! I think that almost all of us feel like that!!!!!!
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    "But they are a monster and we are smaller, and we want to show that even if we are smaller we can do a fantastic job."

    This must be the daftest statement he's ever released, especially after all the talk of new rules bringing advantage towards Maranello because of more emphasis on the power unit, etc.

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    I just watched some videos and it seems that Ferrari engine is really hard to live with. Sauber drivers have issues (based on what Peter Windsor said) with the engine comming with "the bang" when the turbo kicks in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Adder View Post
    I say one thing at this stage: do not underestimate Kimi Räikkönen!! He is fast, but also a master in finishing races and drive the best possible result. If he can finish 3rd in his first come-back year at Lotus... Think also how he helped developing the car there over 2 years!
    Nice Kimi- propaganda, but i prefer to wait and see. And so far i haven't seen anything spectacular from Kimi's side- when you don't count the crash in Bahrain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Senna4Ever View Post

    (I hope Hermann doesn't mind to use his 'cat')

    Maybe best would be close this thread of speculations until after the race in Australia ...
    or until end of the season and award then
    - "Lemming of the season" for believe in everything official Ferrari says, stay always positive, see the glass if half full and always talk things nice (Award can be named Stefano)
    or
    - "Glory hunter of the season" for always being distrusted, see the glass is more than half empty and talk things bad ... (Award can be named GaryAnderson)

    until then: have a rest and enjoy racing (and boycott Sotchi)

    One thing is for sure: it has been a long while since it was that worth to get up early for watching what will be really happen when it counts ....
    Well said. I really like your proposal for the awards

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    Quote Originally Posted by Senna4Ever View Post
    (I hope Hermann doesn't mind to use his 'cat')

    Maybe best would be close this thread of speculations until after the race in Australia ...
    or until end of the season and award then
    - "Lemming of the season" for believe in everything official Ferrari says, stay always positive, see the glass if half full and always talk things nice (Award can be named Stefano)
    or
    - "Glory hunter of the season" for always being distrusted, see the glass is more than half empty and talk things bad ... (Award can be named GaryAnderson)

    until then: have a rest and enjoy racing (and boycott Sotchi)

    One thing is for sure: it has been a long while since it was that worth to get up early for watching what will be really happen when it counts ....

    Lol, no problem- just to remind you that Sochi olympics are over already. I would suggest 'Andrew Benson Award' for the glory hunters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pluto View Post
    its just a general perception I get, its nothing definitive, but usually great cars look fast, and just look 'right'. Everything fits together as a package, and they appear sophisticated. The Redbulls of recent years have been this way, and so has the mercedes of this year and last year, while The Ferrari's just look conservative in comparison. The nose design just looks clumsy, and the fact the car seems slow, supports my thoughts. The way it drops down is really sharp, in comparison to the smooth curves of the other cars.
    Your general perception is always negative towards Ferrari, how can any one take you serious, if you are really a Ferrari fan then you need to produce some positive opinions from time to time, don't get me wrong opinions can also be against Ferrari but in your case it's all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hornet View Post
    I'm getting winter testing withdrawals. Can't wait for the season to start.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hermann View Post
    just to remind you that Sochi olympics are over already.
    But the GrandPrix is on the way ... and for two reasons: the overall situation and Tilke ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Hermann View Post
    I would suggest 'Andrew Benson Award' for the glory hunters.
    I put it onto my priority list and stick to it ...
    but if Anderson doesn't perform as expected, we take away his name from the award ... that easy ...
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