Bahrain testing 27 Feb-2 Mar

[hrc5555]

Your general perception is always negative towards Ferrari, how can any one take you serious, if you are really a Ferrari fan then you need to produce some positive opinions from time to time, don't get me wrong opinions can also be against Ferrari but in your case it's all the time.

I agree with you, but it is very hard to stay positive after last five years, if you know what I mean...

Anyway, we should wait until Melbourne to attack Stefano and the team. There is one extremely important variable with this cars and no one knows where we stand in this aspect, and it is fuel consumption. If our engine unit is the most efficient than we will win, if not than we should start talk about "doom and gloom". IMO

[Laferrari]

I have to admit that the things are not looking good for us.
1 3 year in a row that everybody is saying that our car is a dog...and every year that was true .
2 New era , same problem,2009 ferrari was nowhere , 2014 same problem?
3 Dominicali, i always refuse to blame someone but men! this guy is not a chief , he completly destroy the dream team.Dyer-brawn-Costa.Fire them was one of the most stupid things we have done.
4.Alonso saved us so many time that is for me a bad thing,because without him some people would have been fire for this mediocrity.

Now we heard that dominicali say a lot of potential to extract blabla...come on.I am MAD.How can this things be possible with Ferrari.2009 force india was a better car,2010 was the best year with fernando but lack of innovation kill us,2011 poor traction,no innovation .2012 a DOG car ,the most ugly ferrari ever, season saved by alonso.2013, swap tire kill us , no upgrade , the car was basic.

If we are one of 2 sec of the pace...Fiat must fire montezemolo,dominicali,fry,tombazi....iam so desesperate with wat i saw.

[f1tomi8]

According to James Allen, Ferrari did not run low on fuel yesterday and did not showed his true pace around.

[hrc5555]

Pirelli announces tyre allocations for first four 2014 F1 races

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/112738

[Senna4Ever]

Last thing from my side to this test session miracle ...

I watched the results of lasts years last test session in the begin of march 28th feb - 3rd March (stable regulations)

overall fastest time:
Rosberg 0,364sec ahead of Alonso
Vettels fastest +2,384sec behind Rosbergs
Kimis fastest lap +1,5sec behind Rosbergs ...

and then we look who has won first grand prix
and who made the WDC in the end

this year - and a complete new concept of car, new engine, new systems, new tires - once again Mercedes fastest in Testing ... and some think we are also 2sec behind ... and RedBull even more

Also weather and conditions will be very different to Bahrain ...

... summed up means: we shouldn't throw in the towel before we haven't really raced ...

[SilverSpeed]

Why the hell are they saying we might be faster on saturday but we will be slower on sunday due to we 'might' have a higher fuel consumption.

So Merc are higher in power and lower in fuel consumption... come on who makes these things up.

[Hornet]

Why the hell are they saying we might be faster on saturday but we will be slower on sunday due to we 'might' have a higher fuel consumption.

So Merc are higher in power and lower in fuel consumption... come on who makes these things up.

I do not see anything that suggest that. But engine efficiency can make a difference I guess. Every team will be using 100kg fuels, nothing more nothing less. So it's not about who consume more or less, because everyone will consume 100kg. But it's about who can produce more useful power out of that 100kg. The more efficient engine will be able to produce more performance out of 100kg.

[Greig]

If we have a weaker engine then why blame Stefano? surely it's time to go higher and ask what Luca has been doing after years of campaigning to get F1 more about engines?

[Silent Bob]

You only need to look at the ferrari to see why its slow, it just does not look like a well put together sophisticated car, compared to the mercedes. The nose slope is clumsy, and it just looks a very average package, while the mercedes looks like a slick sophisticated beast. Stefano fired the wrong designer in 2011, because Mercedes has improved since aldo joined them while we have remained mediocre.

In 2011 everyone on this forum was calling for Stefano to fire Costa because he couldn't get the EBD to work. Well everyone got their wish and now everyone wants Tombaszis fired. Who is going to design the car if we don't have a designer?

[diesel08]

Last thing from my side to this test session miracle ...

I watched the results of lasts years last test session in the begin of march 28th feb - 3rd March (stable regulations)

overall fastest time:
Rosberg 0,364sec ahead of Alonso
Vettels fastest +2,384sec behind Rosbergs
Kimis fastest lap +1,5sec behind Rosbergs ...

and then we look who has won first grand prix
and who made the WDC in the end

this year - and a complete new concept of car, new engine, new systems, new tires - once again Mercedes fastest in Testing ... and some think we are also 2sec behind ... and RedBull even more

Also weather and conditions will be very different to Bahrain ...

... summed up means: we shouldn't throw in the towel before we haven't really raced ...

yes, very good obs!

[SilverSpeed]

RB found a loophole and that's why they didn't mount the front wing camera's?

Why else ride a whole winter test with an illegal front wing?

[Senna4Ever]

RB found a loophole and that's why they didn't mount the front wing camera's?

Why else ride a whole winter test with an illegal front wing?

??? not sure what you mean
which loophole you're thinking?

so if they haven't used their legal front wing all laps done this pre-season testing is just for nothing .... despite they haven't done many testing as such ...

If we have a weaker engine then why blame Stefano? surely it's time to go higher and ask what Luca has been doing after years of campaigning to get F1 more about engines?

in that perspective I would like to have Stefanos Job!

as about whatever some members here complain, it is not in the responsibility of Stefano...
weaker engine --> Lucas fault, engine engineers
weaker aero --> Lucas fault, wind tunnels fault ...

[Smintlemon]

Last Twittewr from paolo Filisetti:

Ferrari has hidden a bit`more likely favoring the program of knowledge and development of all various subsystems, but on balance does not seem to have a functional config. ( aero, power) in performance quite different from the Mercedes.

Thats what i Think also.

[Jacquesvw]

RB found a loophole and that's why they didn't mount the front wing camera's?

Why else ride a whole winter test with an illegal front wing?

Maybe the cameras would have overheated as well? lol

[Greig]

as about whatever some members here complain, it is not in the responsibility of Stefano...
weaker engine --> Lucas fault, engine engineers
weaker aero --> Lucas fault, wind tunnels fault ...

Why does Luca get a free pass?

[Bubbles]

I have to admit that the things are not looking good for us.
1 3 year in a row that everybody is saying that our car is a dog...and every year that was true .
2 New era , same problem,2009 ferrari was nowhere , 2014 same problem?
3 Dominicali, i always refuse to blame someone but men! this guy is not a chief , he completly destroy the dream team.Dyer-brawn-Costa.Fire them was one of the most stupid things we have done.
4.Alonso saved us so many time that is for me a bad thing,because without him some people would have been fire for this mediocrity.

Now we heard that dominicali say a lot of potential to extract blabla...come on.I am MAD.How can this things be possible with Ferrari.2009 force india was a better car,2010 was the best year with fernando but lack of innovation kill us,2011 poor traction,no innovation .2012 a DOG car ,the most ugly ferrari ever, season saved by alonso.2013, swap tire kill us , no upgrade , the car was basic.

If we are one of 2 sec of the pace...Fiat must fire montezemolo,dominicali,fry,tombazi....iam so desesperate with wat i saw.

The car is always basic because the development team is basic.

* Engine mapping is done by programmers - seems we lack those, while the likes of Red Bull have huge C# development teams. I wouldn't be surprised to hear Ferrari's programmers (all three of them?) use Fortran...
* The suspension is always a copy of some of the good ideas from the previous year *FROM OTHER TEAMS*. It's never innovative and it never works with all the tires.
* The aero bits look like they've been Frankensteined from different cars. Just look at the gorgeous Red Bull cars since 2009. The RB10 in particular is a masterpiece of bodywork design.
* The only bit that was suppose to bring Ferrari back to the front, the mighty engine, aparently was done by a very small team of people if Stefano is to be believed.

In short, Ferrari is like a small-budget midfield team with great drivers (the best, actually).

I am scared of what Pat Symonds can do at Williams. That guy is like a more hardcore version of Ross Brawn in his prime, and he showed many times that he can - along with his technicians - produce cars that wipe the floor with the best out there.

[AfterLife]

Pessimistic atmosphere. I like that

[RedPassion]

The car is always basic because the development team is basic.

* Engine mapping is done by programmers - seems we lack those, while the likes of Red Bull have huge C# development teams. I wouldn't be surprised to hear Ferrari's programmers (all three of them?) use Fortran...
* The suspension is always a copy of some of the good ideas from the previous year *FROM OTHER TEAMS*. It's never innovative and it never works with all the tires.
* The aero bits look like they've been Frankensteined from different cars. Just look at the gorgeous Red Bull cars since 2009. The RB10 in particular is a masterpiece of bodywork design.
* The only bit that was suppose to bring Ferrari back to the front, the mighty engine, aparently was done by a very small team of people if Stefano is to be believed.

In short, Ferrari is like a small-budget midfield team with great drivers (the best, actually).

I am scared of what Pat Symonds can do at Williams. That guy is like a more hardcore version of Ross Brawn in his prime, and he showed many times that he can - along with his technicians - produce cars that wipe the floor with the best out there.

Wow are you the TD of Ferrari,because i was told its James Allison and he said that Ferrari is now on the edge technologically and on the organisatonal side,whom shall i believe!?
For the rest of your commentary,sorry but with all respect you dont know what you are talking about are you?

[Senna4Ever]

Why does Luca get a free pass?

Don't say he get's a free pass ...
just say that Stefano always been pushed off from the shooting line asking everybody's else responsibility at the same time ...

for which things Stefano is responsible in your view?
I thought Stefano is the overall responsible guy for the F1 business of Ferrari? Or Not?

[Greig]

I thought Stefano is the overall responsible guy for the F1 business of Ferrari? Or Not?

Luca is, no?

Luca has spent years moaning aero is too much in F1, while doing nothing to boost our aero department, running with broken wind tunnels. Luca has spent years wishing F1 is more about the engine, here we get it and it seems like we are too small to beat Mercedes, why is our engine dept small compared to Mercedes?

When does it become about the very top being a problem and not scapegoats down the food chain?

[Kiwi Nick]

Don't say he get's a free pass ...
just say that Stefano always been pushed off from the shooting line asking everybody's else responsibility at the same time ...

for which things Stefano is responsible in your view?
I thought Stefano is the overall responsible guy for the F1 business of Ferrari? Or Not?

Being responsible and suffering the consequences are two different things.

[Bubbles]

Wow are you the TD of Ferrari,because i was told its James Allison and he said that Ferrari is now on the edge technologically and on the organisatonal side,whom shall i believe!?
For the rest of your commentary,sorry but with all respect you dont know what you are talking about are you?

I doubt Ferrari are on the edge of anything. You don't live in the midfield for so many years and suddenly you're top dog without some improvement on the way. For sure, Ferrari have a lot of money at their disposal every year, but it seems that doesn't get you much at Maranello.

As for me knowing what I'm talking about I would say that I'm being consistent in my observations of Ferrari over the years - and of the competition - and I tend to be right. I say it like I see it, but some of your friends here label me a troll or hater or whatever.

Still, I'm not sorry for the team. After all, if the management doesn't have a clue what they're doing and keep taking one wrong decision after another, why should I lose any sleep over that? I am sorry that Fernando won't be adding any titles to his CV, but ultimately it was his decision to go to the team with the biggest name instead of the team with the best people.

[fronaldo]

We saw it ourself from the pitwall: Lewis was on supersoft. Mercedes confirmed it today. Looks like a Pirelli mistake

Tobias Grüner F1 @tgruener

[Forzi]

Tobias Grüner F1 @tgruener

Thankfully... Some rumors were going around that them were used softs. Gladly it were the SS. Was a lil bit frightened by the lap time if it were softs.

[AfterLife]

...

I do not agree with you.

[Hornet]

Thankfully... Some rumors were going around that them were used softs. Gladly it were the SS. Was a lil bit frightened by the lap time if it were softs.

I would be surprise if it wasn't SS. That said, their drivers seems very confident that Merc still have more to show. IIRC Nico was saying they could get into 1.32 and Lewis now say they could go faster

"With strategy we could have been slightly better; we could have been better on our tyres, we could have done the set-up better and we could have been faster," said Hamilton, reflecting on areas for improvement for Mercedes.

[RedPassion]

I doubt Ferrari are on the edge of anything. You don't live in the midfield for so many years and suddenly you're top dog without some improvement on the way. For sure, Ferrari have a lot of money at their disposal every year, but it seems that doesn't get you much at Maranello.

As for me knowing what I'm talking about I would say that I'm being consistent in my observations of Ferrari over the years - and of the competition - and I tend to be right. I say it like I see it, but some of your friends here label me a troll or hater or whatever.

Still, I'm not sorry for the team. After all, if the management doesn't have a clue what they're doing and keep taking one wrong decision after another, why should I lose any sleep over that? I am sorry that Fernando won't be adding any titles to his CV, but ultimately it was his decision to go to the team with the biggest name instead of the team with the best people.

I repeat again that you, like anyone else on this forum,does not have an idea whats behind the curtain,its just wild speculation.You are not even consistent because you say that"if you have been midfield for so many years,you cannot be suddenly at the top" but Pat Symonds after 5 months in Williams can huh?!!Do you really think that Pat symonds can bring a team at the front in 5 months and James Allison in 7 not?How do you know that?? how is Ferrari exactly organised?How many people work onthe software programming, 3?????The sospension is a copy of other years cars??really??Not only our front pull rod is quite revolutionary,but even our rear pull road is quite different than all other ones.Which parts are Frankensteined from other cars,could you exactly tell us???Do you think you can have better than Tombazis-Marmorini-Fry-Allison?????
Dou you really think that Costa is what is making Mercedes better and that because we dont have Dyer,Brawn and Costa anymore is making us weaker??Do you think that 1 or 2 people over 700 can change the history of a team in F12014??????

[Hermann]

It would all be so much better without the vaccum cleaner nose. Seriously. Something is wrong with that thing

[Forzi]

??????

So... many.... question marks....

[Tobes]

Quite a lot of doom and gloom, contrary to all that I'm pretty optimistic about this year, I don't think one should read too much into pre-season testing, yeah it gives us a clue as to what's what, but it's not a clear picture, and when it gets microanalysed it's just confusing as no one actually knows what the teams are testing or how hard they are pushing the cars, I think we can assume Mercedes have a good reliable engine and a well designed car, all overseen last year by Ross Brawn, but they have now lost him and I don't believe that hasn't weakened the team for this season, thinking there may be too many cooks with big egos at Mercedes this season, but right now, based on the testing, I think they go to Melbourne as the first race favourites, although I don't see them maintaing that advantage, and I don't believe we are 2 secs off their pace anyway. I also don't believe we are behind Williams, no doubt they have designed a fast chassis, but I don't see them a season long threat, I may be doing them a disservice but I think they will start strong but tail off after a few races. I have no doubt that when Red Bull sort out their problems, and they will, they will be back at the front, but if Newey has to somehow cool that car as much as it appears then it may take a third of the season to get their problems sorted, we can only hope...
I think we have a good, fast and reliable car, maybe not the fastest right now, but I don't think come Melbourne we will be far off the pace, and this year we don't need to have the outright fastest car for the entire season, only some of it, we have the best driver paring on the grid, both drivers have won, and will again win races in cars that are second best, I think we have some very clever solutions in the engine dept, and with all the rule changes the outright fastest car over a single lap may not be the best car come raceday, (and we have the only car that sounds like R2 D2 when it powers down), also I have a feeling that if what we hear is true and the wind tunnel correlation at Maranello is now working and reliable and all our updates work, then I think we are in pretty good shape heading to Melbourne, all that does give me some reason for optimism...