Malaysian GP 2014 Race Thread

[PadGeT]

Red Bull signed Ricciardo becuase they also thought he is better than Kimi. Basically what you're saying is the car needs to be perfect for Kimi to perform or he is nowhere. Was the same in 2008 and 2009, as soon as the car became a bit tricky Massa was quicker

No he wasn't better than Kimi, they felt their driver programme would be vindicated with Ricciardo's arrival, also help Vettel to be the top dog der, which wouldnt be the case wid Kimi. Also less money to spend on Ric's wages

[Hornet]

I don't care whether its Kimi or Bianchi or whoever it is. As long as the team is properly directed technically i could care less whose impact is needed.
And yes I am on something.

I believe that is up to the people who are responsible it managing the car's development. The drivers have their own responsibilities, but I doubt they decide or manages the development process.

[PadGeT]

I believe that is up to the people who are responsible it managing the car's development. The drivers have their own responsibilities, but I doubt they decide or manages the development process.

Who would be dumb enough to think driver manages development process? But he can play his part in accentuating the process.

[Senna4Ever]

I never questioned Alonso's feedback did I? I feel Alonso's performance often masked Ferrari's deficiencies. If Kimi can't challenge Alonso in races and quali, then it will only help Alonso letting Ferrari know that their car needs to improve.

so Kimi does the same job as Felipe did already ... to show that the car is mediocre and only a driver of the class of Alonso can compensate that lack? And Ferrari never trusted Felipe that it might be the car and not the driver? So that's what you say?

[PadGeT]

so Kimi does the same job as Felipe did already ... to show that the car is mediocre and only a driver of the class of Alonso can compensate that lack? And Ferrari never trusted Felipe that it might be the car and not the driver? So that's what you say?

Exactly as Ducati learnt wid Rossi and den Dovi!

[FFFerrari]

What on earth is going on here again? The driver bashing started already?

Kimi had an awful race thanks to one danish rookie causing a puncture. He did the best he could under those circumstances, without it he would have likely finished 5th or 6th. Felipe showed his true colors when he disobeyed a direct order from the team, we don't need that kind of drivers on our team.

[Black Adder]

What on earth is going on here again? The driver bashing started already?

Kimi had an awful race thanks to one danish rookie causing a puncture. He did the best he could under those circumstances, without it he would have likely finished 5th or 6th. Felipe showed his true colors when he disobeyed a direct order from the team, we don't need that kind of drivers on our team.

I totally agree with your comment. And for people bashing on Kimi on a Ferrari forum: who was Ferrari's' last world-champion? Please, show some respect for that!!

[Apocaly]

Hello

I am French , and I fan my Ferrari for 10 years . I apologize for my very bad english ( google translation , thank you !) .

Why Kimi Raikkonen is so bad as here? Many see it as a bad driver I feel.

He is a champion Ferrari . 77 podiums in Formula 1, if one of the five drivers of F1 history to have made ​​the most podium (behind Schumi , Prost, Senna and Alonso ), 20 victories him one of history 15 pilot fact had the most , and it was excellent to Mclaren , Lotus (Lotus 390 items in 2012 and 2013 , so that the third driver to register the most points in the last two years after Vettel and Alonso ) and large in Ferrari in 2007. In 2008, he participated in the championship with 75pt , and in 2009, he finished just 1 point after a late Hamilton pretty good season. Massa was better in 2008 and 2009, but Kimi was not bad. In 2014, he is not good in Australia, but in Malaysia , it has a good race pace but Magnussen rot him race in the early laps . Instead of supporting one of your drivers, you leave no chance. Kimi is world champion, and has a very good record, saying the contrary, must be blind. Kimi is not just "a good driver", but it is very good. A good pilot is not champion, has not almost 80 podiums and a score of victory. Honestly, with all due respect, who are you to question the talent of a driver like Raikkonen as Alonso, Hamilton, Schumacher and Vettel has enormous respect for him? I am not a "kimibot" I like the driver (not too cold character), I think Alonso is above.

.
ps: sorry for my english .

[Kyss4k]

Notice, how when alonso shifted up to 8th gear, the engine was going in constant low revs. What is that? Fuel flow restriction? Engine power? Gear ratios wrong?

[Meiga]

I totally agree with your comment. And for people bashing on Kimi on a Ferrari forum: who was Ferrari's' last world-champion? Please, show some respect for that!!

I agree that bashing Raikkonen is poor; I also understand people who point out at his performance in order to defend Massa. You ask for respect for Raikkonen because of his status of last WDC with Ferrari, and that is very correct; but many in this forum feel Massa deserves respect because of his status of former Ferrari driver and proven loyalty to the team, and he very often did not get that respect.

In the past, some people mercilessly attacked Massa in order to justify that Raikkonen was back (as if there was any justification needed for hiring a top driver); some others even attacked Alonso for God knows what reason, as if Raikkonen being back in the team meant Alonso was not the driver that had outperformed the cars he was given over the past few years.

Now it seems that in the first races Raikkonen has found himself a bit where Massa so often found himself in the past years: with a not-so-competitive car and more than his share of bad luck. It is very unfair because we all know Raikkonen is better than he looked in Oz and Malaysia; but Massa was also better than he looked in past races. To add to that, with each race in which Ferrari is not close to the top the tifosi grow more restless, because it's been a long time without titles.

I would say that most people in this forum respect Alonso, Massa and Raikkonen, but comments such as "Ferrari needs Kimi more than Kimi needs ferrari" are bound to re-open some fresh wounds and start a post exchange that will result in attacks from one or another side.

[Hornet]

What on earth is going on here again? The driver bashing started already?

Kimi had an awful race thanks to one danish rookie causing a puncture. He did the best he could under those circumstances, without it he would have likely finished 5th or 6th. Felipe showed his true colors when he disobeyed a direct order from the team, we don't need that kind of drivers on our team.

Oh please. That 8 years Massa spent playing his part in Ferrari's team order including taking gear box penalty doesn't mean anything, but one botched attempt by Williams and now Massa showing his true colors?

I guess bashing Massa is a hard to quit habit for some.

I totally agree with your comment. And for people bashing on Kimi on a Ferrari forum: who was Ferrari's' last world-champion? Please, show some respect for that!!

Funny how you say people should respect Kimi for his past contributions, but agree to blind bashing against Massa who have contributed more to the team.

[Wildcat]

God this car is unstable !

[Ed Harley]

Let me know when the Kimi bashing starts, I'm sharpening my keyboad. I will never understand why we even bothered with him again. Replacing Felipe for that numpty is one brainless decision I can't get my head around. Get rid of him, bring in Hulkenberg. That boy is class. He will do well with us

You seem to be at it already.

[Ed Harley]

God this car is unstable !

Yes, it seems to be quite a handful.

[FFFerrari]

Oh please. That 8 years Massa spent playing his part in Ferrari's team order including taking gear box penalty doesn't mean anything, but one botched attempt by Williams and now Massa showing his true colors? I guess bashing Massa is a hard to quit habit for some.

There is no I in TEAM. I guess Felipe lost his marbles when he heard the on the radio the magic words: "Valtteri is faster than you".

At the start of the race Felipe cried in the radio that Bottas should be kept behind him. Williams told Bottas to stand down and he did. At the end of the race the team asked Felipe to let Bottas to pass (when he had fresher tyres and cooler engine). What did he do? Defied the order. I'm just happy that he isn't causing trouble at the moment on Ferrari and truly hope that Sir Frank puts him in his place. The drivers drive for the team, first and foremost. Personal glory comes when it comes. And yes, Felipe was pretty compliant over the Ferrari years, but that doesn't mean I support him acting like an idiot now.

[Catalan]

I just think Kimi is a talented racer who needs the car fits to his style, while Alonso is able to " fight " versus his own car to turn it into " his " style and can develop it better. Examples: 2008 and 2009, Kimi was outperformed by Massa. 2012, Alonso takes a single seater which is light years behind Red Bull to fight for the title till the very last minute.

If the car is good, Kimi will deliver, if it's not he simply won't show up. Regarding Alonso, he'll shine with a poor car and will smash the opposition with a good car

This said, please don't kill Kimi. He was very unlucky yesterday.

[wisepie]

I agree that bashing Raikkonen is poor; I also understand people who point out at his performance in order to defend Massa. You ask for respect for Raikkonen because of his status of last WDC with Ferrari, and that is very correct; but many in this forum feel Massa deserves respect because of his status of former Ferrari driver and proven loyalty to the team, and he very often did not get that respect.

In the past, some people mercilessly attacked Massa in order to justify that Raikkonen was back (as if there was any justification needed for hiring a top driver); some others even attacked Alonso for God knows what reason, as if Raikkonen being back in the team meant Alonso was not the driver that had outperformed the cars he was given over the past few years.

Now it seems that in the first races Raikkonen has found himself a bit where Massa so often found himself in the past years: with a not-so-competitive car and more than his share of bad luck. It is very unfair because we all know Raikkonen is better than he looked in Oz and Malaysia; but Massa was also better than he looked in past races. To add to that, with each race in which Ferrari is not close to the top the tifosi grow more restless, because it's been a long time without titles.

I would say that most people in this forum respect Alonso, Massa and Raikkonen, but comments such as "Ferrari needs Kimi more than Kimi needs ferrari" are bound to re-open some fresh wounds and start a post exchange that will result in attacks from one or another side.

At last a reasoned perspective from you, Meiga, and I agree 100% with what you say. This criticism of our drivers isn't going to help our cause, we need a united front both from the team and tifosi aspect, not slagging everyone off for our own preferences.

[brava]

Notice, how when alonso shifted up to 8th gear, the engine was going in constant low revs. What is that? Fuel flow restriction? Engine power? Gear ratios wrong?

Highway overdrive

[Cemz85]

Aren't they suppose to rev to 15k rpm, why only max 11,000rpm?

[SilverSpeed]

Fuel saving perhaps...

[Nova]

Bashing our drivers, hmmm..2 of the best racers in the world...
Did ya notice, the car isnt fast nor stable enough?

[diesel08]

Hello

I am French , and I fan my Ferrari for 10 years . I apologize for my very bad english ( google translation , thank you !) .

Why Kimi Raikkonen is so bad as here? Many see it as a bad driver I feel.

He is a champion Ferrari . 77 podiums in Formula 1, if one of the five drivers of F1 history to have made ​​the most podium (behind Schumi , Prost, Senna and Alonso ), 20 victories him one of history 15 pilot fact had the most , and it was excellent to Mclaren , Lotus (Lotus 390 items in 2012 and 2013 , so that the third driver to register the most points in the last two years after Vettel and Alonso ) and large in Ferrari in 2007. In 2008, he participated in the championship with 75pt , and in 2009, he finished just 1 point after a late Hamilton pretty good season. Massa was better in 2008 and 2009, but Kimi was not bad. In 2014, he is not good in Australia, but in Malaysia , it has a good race pace but Magnussen rot him race in the early laps . Instead of supporting one of your drivers, you leave no chance. Kimi is world champion, and has a very good record, saying the contrary, must be blind. Kimi is not just "a good driver", but it is very good. A good pilot is not champion, has not almost 80 podiums and a score of victory. Honestly, with all due respect, who are you to question the talent of a driver like Raikkonen as Alonso, Hamilton, Schumacher and Vettel has enormous respect for him? I am not a "kimibot" I like the driver (not too cold character), I think Alonso is above.

.
ps: sorry for my english .

good point

[Masi-]

Aren't they suppose to rev to 15k rpm, why only max 11,000rpm?

Because of fuel flow limit. So there is no point rev much over 11,000rpm because you gain no more power after that.

[ritsukka]

why people here are talking all the time about Massa? He is gone and he is too old that he would ever come back to ferrari. So its time to say goodbye to your old buddy.Or you can support williams :)

[eddie]

Bashing our drivers, hmmm..2 of the best racers in the world...
Did ya notice, the car isnt fast nor stable enough?

Super agree, we have the 2 best drivers on the grid. We have a dog of a car

[Nova]

Super agree, we have the 2 best drivers on the grid. We have a dog of a car

I wouldnt call it a dog...its just not fast enough, or stable under braking, has low grip, slow acceleration,
sub par aero, did I mention that its not fast enough?

My question is...Why? They have stuck with a suspension that has more losses than wins, but have
very talented people and drivers....Could it be that Ferrari has too much bad politics going on...again?
Whatever is the problem, its not translating into a fast, race winning car.

[Ed Harley]

Perhaps they should rebuild KR's car with push rod suspension as a test mule with 2015 in mind. The whole aero probably would need to be redesigned as well.

[Dino]

Notice, how when alonso shifted up to 8th gear, the engine was going in constant low revs. What is that? Fuel flow restriction? Engine power? Gear ratios wrong?

Seems like too much drag.The car stops accelerating when it reaches 285 kph!!
Bet the ugly nose has a lot to do with it.
Lots of wheelspin in second gear at start as well.

[eddie]

I wouldnt call it a dog...its just not fast enough, or stable under braking, has low grip, slow acceleration,
sub par aero, did I mention that its not fast enough?

My question is...Why? They have stuck with a suspension that has more losses than wins, but have
very talented people and drivers....Could it be that Ferrari has too much bad politics going on...again?
Whatever is the problem, its not translating into a fast, race winning car.

I would think the same. Something is really wrong at Maranello. We are a racing team with great history, experience and resources; And when start a brand new season with everyone virtually at zero and we are so far behind the Mercs engine cars on a new platform, something isn't just cooking well.

We could well see a lot of people being moved around again....

[Dino]

Perhaps they should rebuild KR's car with push rod suspension as a test mule with 2015 in mind. The whole aero probably would need to be redesigned as well.

That will require a new tub,and anyway the car's immediate problems are surely not the Pullrod suspension!!
Traction and top speed are the main problems.
Kimi was doing fine Friday and Saturday free practice in dry conditions,the first lap punture helped to show Ferrari how hard it it for us to overtake even the backmarkers!![Without blue flags]