Malaysian GP 2014 Race Thread

[bonzo]

I think Ferrari needs Kimi more than Kimi needs ferrari atm. His carefree and honest feedback is whats needed to stop politics at the top brass in this Machiavelli f1 team.

Spot on!!!

[PadGeT]

Excuse me?

Where do u want clarity?

[LivingHitokiri]

Perhaps he should just wave his hands more and speak more nonsense to produce a more European flavor to his personality.

Next thing im gonna see is that because he wears black glasses instead of red it means that he doesn't like Ferrari or some other crazy ideas. I am exaggerating and i know it but this is becoming ridiculous.....
I get most of the Fins do no care about anything if we take their into accord how less talkative they are....

[Hermann]

Where do u want clarity?

Oh its nothing, i just thought you called Ferrari a Machiavelli team.

[Ed Harley]

Next thing im gonna see is that because he wears black glasses instead of red it means that he doesn't like Ferrari or some other crazy ideas. I am exaggerating and i know it but this is becoming ridiculous.....
I get most of the Fins do no care about anything if we take their into accord how less talkative they are....

I was hoping things would get better or at least neutral after New Year but the same prejudices and dislike just seems to exist.

[PadGeT]

Oh its nothing, i just thought you called Ferrari a Machiavelli team.

It is considering the Angeli family and their dealings with FIA. Why do u think Monte wanted Todt at helm in FIA, so dat they could get over the RRA and deals Mosely werent giving them!
& it shud be Machiavellian

[Katu]

I was hoping things would get better or at least neutral after New Year but the same prejudices and dislike just seems to exist.

exactly the same way some kimi-fans have dislikes and prejudices towards Fernando. that's the way life is

[Suzie]

The double standards when it comes to Kimi at Ferrari and Felipe at Ferrari are hilarious! Excuses given for Kimi, plus Felipe getting criticised when he doesn't even drive for the team anymore Someone please mention Suzuka 2005 just to really top things off for me.

[Stormsearcher]

I think Ferrari needs Kimi more than Kimi needs ferrari atm. His carefree and honest feedback is whats needed to stop politics at the top brass in this Machiavelli f1 team.

lol.. you cant be serious with that statement. Almost any driver in the paddock will drop everything to get a drive with Ferrari.

[PadGeT]

lol.. you cant be serious with that statement. Almost any driver in the paddock will drop everything to get a drive with Ferrari.

Ya dats my point, Ferrari needed not a starstruck driver driving for ferrari for the first time, they wanted someone who wouldn't give a **** and wouldn't hesitate to demand what he wants from engineers. Thats why Monte likened him to Lauda.

[LivingHitokiri]

The double standards when it comes to Kimi at Ferrari and Felipe at Ferrari are hilarious! Excuses given for Kimi, plus Felipe getting criticised when he doesn't even drive for the team anymore Someone please mention Suzuka 2005 just to really top things off for me.

Which exactly double standards you're talking about ?

[Alonsomaniac]

Why this discussion about Kimi?
He has been with us for two races now, and if we are honest he has not even had a chance two show what he can do.
No, I don't expect him to be better than Fernando, but I don't think he will be behind Fernando very far in normal circumstances. He is a very good driver.
Yes, it is true that in Felipe's best years Kimi had to use all he had to keep up with Felipe and years later Fernando was a lot better than Felipe - but then Felipe was not at his very best anymore.
Just let Kimi settle in and then we will see what happens.

BTW: to those who think Ferrari needs Kimi more than the other way around: Ferrari does not need any specific driver, they can have any driver they want because every driver wants to drive for the Scuderia.

[PadGeT]

Why this discussion about Kimi?

BTW: to those who think Ferrari needs Kimi more than the other way around: Ferrari does not need any specific driver, they can have any driver they want because every driver wants to drive for the Scuderia.

We can't get Vettel even though he wants to join us somethime in the near future if we are competitive. Yes, other that almost every driver may want our seat, but it isn't our proirity, is it? We want to develop the fastest car , and Kimi being there will only help them in this critical time for Ferrari.
Also I believe it was a knock on effect from Allison's appointment. It was clear Allison wanted full developmental reign on his shoulder and no interference from Luca, and it helped that James-Kimi were the closest challenger to Newey-Vettel in the championships 2012-13.

[Giallo 550]

We can't get Vettel even though he wants to join us somethime in the near future if we are competitive. Yes, other that almost every driver may want our seat, but it isn't our proirity, is it? We want to develop the fastest car , and Kimi being there will only help them in this critical time for Ferrari.
Also I believe it was a knock on effect from Allison's appointment. It was clear Allison wanted full developmental reign on his shoulder and no interference from Luca, and it helped that James-Kimi were the closest challenger to Newey-Vettel in the championships 2012-13.

They can keep Vettel. Yeah, I said it. I'd rather have Rosberg.

[Majki2111]

[PadGeT]

They can keep Vettel. Yeah, I said it. I'd rather have Rosberg.

Why Rosberg all of a sudden?

[Alesi1]

Wow, how about the power difference of rosberg merc. We got off the line better then it just steamed away

[Majki2111]

Weird sound in 2nd gear. Exactly when Fernando reaches 100 km/h.

[killer]

Weird sound in 2nd gear. Exactly when Fernando reaches 100 km/h.

ERS unit kicked in.

[Cheeseman]

Let me know when the Kimi bashing starts, I'm sharpening my keyboad. I will never understand why we even bothered with him again. Replacing Felipe for that numpty is one brainless decision I can't get my head around. Get rid of him, bring in Hulkenberg. That boy is class. He will do well with us

[yellowbird rs]

Super boring race.
I can't think a single positive thing about Ferrari performance or the race. I know at these forum a lot of people suffer the Ferrari cool aid syndrome and can't see any problem or have a thousand justifications but in reality Ferrari is overall in a bad shape and probably in an other bad season.

[Kingdom Hearts]

I think Ferrari needs Kimi more than Kimi needs ferrari atm. His carefree and honest feedback is whats needed to stop politics at the top brass in this Machiavelli f1 team.

So Alonso feedback is not honest and is only interested in playing politics at the top brass in this Machiavelli f1 team?.

[varun]

Looks really tough to drive,the F14-T even for the genius of Alonso and Kimi

[PadGeT]

So Alonso feedback is not honest and is only interested in playing politics at the top brass in this Machiavelli f1 team?.

I never questioned Alonso's feedback did I? I feel Alonso's performance often masked Ferrari's deficiencies. If Kimi can't challenge Alonso in races and quali, then it will only help Alonso letting Ferrari know that their car needs to improve.

[Hornet]

I think Ferrari needs Kimi more than Kimi needs ferrari atm. His carefree and honest feedback is whats needed to stop politics at the top brass in this Machiavelli f1 team.

Man I think you're on something . The team was operating just fine without Kimi, no different now, and it will still carry on the same after Kimi.

You can't seriously think Kimi have any impact on how the team is being run

Which exactly double standards you're talking about ?

Massa have been taking a beating from the fans everytime he's on track for Ferrari. Spin in winter practice, Massa sucks. Qualify a couple places behind Alonso, Massa sucks. Finish behind Alonso, Massa sucks. Spinning in the wets, Massa sucks.

For many years these people blamed Massa for Ferrari being 2nd or 3rd in the WCC. Some even blamed Massa for not taking enough points away from Alonso's rival. They've been demanding that Massa gets fired.

Well this year they got what they wanted. No more Massa. But hey, look where we are in the title hunt. Nothing's changed, car is still bad, no miracle from Kimi that everyone expected Massa to do. But these people wouldn't admit it, that the problem was with the car and not the driver. Suddenly it's ok to these people for Kimi to do what Massa did.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Kimi is a bad driver, but neither was Massa. The problem has always been with the car, not the drivers. Without a good car, it doesn't matter who we have driving, the results will be the same.

[Cheeseman]

I never questioned Alonso's feedback did I? I feel Alonso's performance often masked Ferrari's deficiencies. If Kimi can't challenge Alonso in races and quali, then it will only help Alonso letting Ferrari know that their car needs to improve.

Alonso never masked any deficiencies, he extracts the best out of every package and shows Ferrari how quick the car can really go. But they would rather listen to Kimi about development right? To see why he is not as fast as Fernando and to keep the Machiavellis at bay? If Kimi can't keep up in qualy or the races then it proves we are paying him way too much

[PadGeT]

Alonso never masked any deficiencies, he extracts the best out of every package and shows Ferrari how quick the car can really go. If Kimi can't keep up in qualy or the races then it proves we are paying him way too much

How do u think a guy like Riccardio goes and performs dat good on his first RBR outing? Its because the car is easy to reach its limit. Some cars don't have this, and it takes a certain style to make it look competitive which is in a narrow operating window for drivers. Its here Alonso excelled. So it does mask an inherent weakness in Ferrari- its narrow drivability, trick rear end twitching which keeps the driver guessing.

[PadGeT]

Man I think you're on something . The team was operating just fine without Kimi, no different now, and it will still carry on the same after Kimi.

You can't seriously think Kimi have any impact on how the team is being run

I don't care whether its Kimi or Bianchi or whoever it is. As long as the team is properly directed technically i could care less whose impact is needed.
And yes I am on something.

[Cheeseman]

How do u think a guy like Riccardio goes and performs dat good on his first RBR outing? Its because the car is easy to reach its limit. Some cars don't have this, and it takes a certain style to make it look competitive which is in a narrow operating window for drivers. Its here Alonso excelled. So it does mask an inherent weakness in Ferrari- its narrow drivability, trick rear end twitching which keeps the driver guessing.

Red Bull signed Ricciardo becuase they also thought he is better than Kimi. Basically what you're saying is the car needs to be perfect for Kimi to perform or he is nowhere. Was the same in 2008 and 2009, as soon as the car became a bit tricky Massa was quicker

[PadGeT]

Alonso never masked any deficiencies, he extracts the best out of every package and shows Ferrari how quick the car can really go. But they would rather listen to Kimi about development right? To see why he is not as fast as Fernando and to keep the Machiavellis at bay? If Kimi can't keep up in qualy or the races then it proves we are paying him way too much

We paid Kimi much more earlier
And Alonso receives the best deal on that front.