Spanish GP 2014 - Race Thread

[LivingHitokiri]

Alonso was always in traffic with three stop strategy, and last pit stop just ten laps before end! It isn't better strategy! Kimi would be in front Alo,and maybe Vettel if this car would allow better setup possibility!

Raikkonen was also in traffic with medium destroyed tyres and was even losing times behind Ericson ignoring blue flags.Traffic surely didnt made Alonso lose 2 seconds per lap tho.
I have already made my point and proven on where Raikkonen lost the time based on objective analysis taken from the race and the times provided so its pointless to repeat myself. I see no reason on why you're trying to sugarcoat a strategy when it was obviously the wrong one....

[LivingHitokiri]

https://twitter.com/f1elvis/status/465527933856395264
Enforces my point about race engineer even further.

[Hunkelberg]

Ferrari have done team orders many times in the past, including 2008 where Kimi let Massa through because Massa was fighting for the WDC. Why would it be any different now? I don't recall Kimi's iceman image being tarnished back then.

If the team wanted team orders, they would have told Kimi to move aside at the beginning and release Alonso, instead of orchestrating an entire race just to move Alonso one place ahead.

No one claims Ferrari is perfect with the strategy. If people wants to think Ferrari made a mistake with Kimi's strategy, fine. But its absurd to suggest that it was deliberate.

You know, you have to be truthful, at least with yourself. If one thing Domenicali had, it was his integrity.
When Kimi let Massa through it was as even you see for championship. No big deal. That is understandable. When Massa did it, Smedley remarked as his boy being "magnanimous". Understandable. But when a team swaps their divers in what, fifth race of the season, which was already decided before the season began, when they were running sixth and seven in such a manner....do you see the difference with the relevant events in the past? Also, why do you think espn is already featuring an article where certain finn is asked of how it feels like number two driver ? Do you see why ?
Of course, my questions to you are rethorical.

[Ed Harley]

Well, in the future this opens all sorts of pit stop strategy possibilities also for KR.

But all in all somewhat boring race.

[Ferrari Rules]

Are you guys seriously arguing about this! Fernando was clearly faster today. When our boys had to pass Grosjean after the first pit stop, Kimi almost had 4 seconds on Nando when he passed the Frenchman and yet somehow Nando came back within 10 laps. Case closed Nando was faster than Kimi... Again

[Ed Harley]

Are you guys seriously arguing about this! Fernando was clearly faster today. When our boys had to pass Grosjean after the first pit stop, Kimi almost had 4 seconds on Nando when he passed the Frenchman and yet somehow Nando came back within 10 laps. Case closed Nando was faster than Kimi... Again

A three stop strategy is quicker than a two stop strategy. That's how.

[ntukza]

Somewhere Dominecali is laughing his behind off. What a wise decision it was to jump off the sinking ship. Otherwise, imagine LdM staring down Domenicali...No doubt, this season would take years off poor ol Stefano.

Give the man props, at leas he saw the writings on the wall and left the party early. Smart move, lol.

Hahahahaha. I agree with you. Stefano knew that if the engine is inferior, we're screwed for the whole season. No need to stick around working day and night and watching defeat unfold. What I would like to know is, what on earth gave the team the impression during preseason that this car was a winner? They released a mini-movie which was posted on here somewhere. They even made us name the car. For what, for this?

[anuragiyer8989]

Hahahahaha. I agree with you. Stefano knew that if the engine is inferior, we're screwed for the whole season. No need to stick around working day and night and watching defeat unfold. What I would like to know is, what on earth gave the team the impression during preseason that this car was a winner? They released a mini-movie which was posted on here somewhere. They even made us name the car. For what, for this?

You've got to admit that PR and buzz comes much better to this team than building race cars.....hence all the pre-season drama.....but really they should think about their future in F1 if this continues.....better to save some legacy and go play somewhere else rather than keep going at it year after year and be called an average team with serious manpower issues!

[anuragiyer8989]

Oh and btw, according to @pitlanetalk Kimi still hasn't left the circuit and heated discussions going on between him and team.

[Greig]

but really they should think about their future in F1 if this continues....!

Not sure if serious?

[Hornet]

You know, you have to be truthful, at least with yourself. If one thing Domenicali had, it was his integrity.
When Kimi let Massa through it was as even you see for championship. No big deal. That is understandable. When Massa did it, Smedley remarked as his boy being "magnanimous". Understandable. But when a team swaps their divers in what, fifth race of the season, which was already decided before the season began, when they were running sixth and seven in such a manner....do you see the difference with the relevant events in the past? Also, why do you think espn is already featuring an article where certain finn is asked of how it feels like number two driver ? Do you see why ?
Of course, my questions to you are rethorical.

There's nothing to compare because I do not think it's deliberate. My point is if the team wanted team order, they would have done it in the first stint. They didn't, because there was no team orders intended.

Who cares what the media says, they will always put a bad spin on Ferrari.

[Greig]

I imagine Kimi had to go on 2 stops because he was not able to attack as much as Alonso can, seems pretty simple so Ferrari should just tell him that if he is sulking still at the track.

[Ed Harley]

Both cars were on a two stop strategy but Alonso's was changed to three. Perhaps if the quicker three stop strategy had been applied also to the other car then he might have been able to attack as much as Alonso. At least until first stops they ran identical lap times.

[Hunkelberg]

Hahahahaha. I agree with you. Stefano knew that if the engine is inferior, we're screwed for the whole season. No need to stick around working day and night and watching defeat unfold. What I would like to know is, what on earth gave the team the impression during preseason that this car was a winner? They released a mini-movie which was posted on here somewhere. They even made us name the car. For what, for this?

I recall it was called "horsepower". The movie. Guys at Maranello(Marmorini, Saltzer, Resta, etc...) put the piston engine on dyno and got a horsepower readout. They reasoned, this is great, nobody will have it better. Why? One - how come, we are the Ferrari, lest you forget, most successful f1 team in history of F1. Two - well, we are horsepower, we even have a horse on every car bonnet. Little they knew that folks in Stuttgart were breeding draft horses while they were happy with their ponies.

So, when the season began, those robotically efficient German tanks destroyed our beautiful scarlet ponies. Oh well. If only we had reasonable engineering team...thought Domenicali to himself. If only I was an engineer I would not let me bsed...Well, I better have my exist strategy ready just in case...

Good luck, Matiacci, with your "full submersion". And when you see the problem with the car, just do it. No doubt, you are the man, the very competent man :)

This is what happens, boys and galz, when you let humanities/literature and business majors people run racing/technology enterprises.

[Senna4Ever]

I am so glad that we don't have other problems than if driver A finishes 6th and driver B 7th or other way around almost 1 lap behind the winner ...

[ALO]

Kimi's stint on hards was just 5 laps longer than Alo's, with lighter car, and kimi was still 0.7-0.8 sec slower in average than Alo on hards. And i have to mention that degradation wasn't problem this year with hard tyres. Kimi was too slow on hards.
http://en.mclarenf-1.com/index.php?p...nando%20Alonso

Good info I didn't know you could compare data like that. Thanks

[LivingHitokiri]

I imagine Kimi had to go on 2 stops because he was not able to attack as much as Alonso can, seems pretty simple so Ferrari should just tell him that if he is sulking still at the track.

Im curious on how you came to such conclusion especially if you compare the part were their strategy was identical.
Im pretty sure Raikkonens long talk with the team/engineer proves the otherwise but who knows,right ?

[LivingHitokiri]

I am so glad that we don't have other problems than if driver A finishes 6th and driver B 7th or other way around almost 1 lap behind the winner ...

We have gone over this so many times its really disheartening to talk it over and over . Sad is the only word that we need to describe the situation. We left RB era to join another Brawn GP era named Mercedes this time.....

[Greig]

Im curious on how you came to such conclusion especially if you compare the part were their strategy was identical.
Im pretty sure Raikkonens long talk with the team/engineer proves the otherwise but who knows,right ?

Alonso is the better driver and can push harder with a hard to handle car, Kimi would probably have spun out and cost us points.

[LivingHitokiri]

Alonso is the better driver and can push harder with a hard to handle car, Kimi would probably have spun out and cost us points.

Im asking you about Kimi and the conclusion you came about and you reply me with Alonso,not sure how this conversation can go like this.

For the sake of sarcastic tome that you brought to this topic il leave this here

The decision to go for a three stop strategy was taken in an attempt to cover Vettel, but unfortunately I lost the place at the pit stop and I only managed to make up one on Kimi, who was impossible to pass when we were on the same tyres

Source:
http://www.formula1.com/news/headlin...4/5/15821.html


Amusing how easily words of one can be turned against eh ?

[Greig]

Alonso is great at PR, makes Kimi feel good but knows he smashed him again

[Greig]

Im asking you about Kimi and the conclusion you came about and you reply me with Alonso,not sure how this conversation can go like this.

What? Go back and read what you quoted from me my initial point was Alonso is better at attacking than Kimi so that is the conclusion if you want me to just talk about Kimi then off course he is the best if not compared to anyone else, that better?

[Senna4Ever]

http://en.espnf1.com/spain/motorspor...ABX7sX7mLO2.99

[LivingHitokiri]

Alonso is great at PR, makes Kimi feel good but knows he smashed him again

Are you implying that Alonso is a liar?
Apparently you know Alonso even better than Alonso himself,i had no clue you were so close to him , i apologize

[LivingHitokiri]

What? Go back and read what you quoted from me my initial point was Alonso is better at attacking than Kimi so that is the conclusion if you want me to just talk about Kimi then off course he is the best if not compared to anyone else, that better?

I clearly asked you to provide me on how you came to conclusion about Kimi's going 2 stops because he couldn't push which you replied with sarcasm ( ?)
so i replied to you in a sarcastic way as well answering your delusion about Kimi not being able to push as you claim,which is totally baseless.

[LivingHitokiri]

Il just leave this here.

“Going for a two stop strategy proved to be the wrong choice because tire degradation meant I couldn’t push all the way to the end,” he explained. “Overall here, we went better than in the last race, maybe because the characteristics of this track are very different to those we have raced on so far.

http://motorsportstalk.nbcsports.com...ggle-in-spain/

[Suzie]

ANGRY KIMI HERE. http://instagram.com/p/n3FrTsEVRz/#

I'm sorry but Kimi is incredibly rude. I don't care if you're disappointed with your race or what happened with the strategy - part of your role as an F1 driver is to deal with the press. Oh I am sure this will be passed off as 'LOL CLASSIC KIMI' but it's just plain ignorant.

[Stormsearcher]

What a snooze fest this was! The last 6-7 laps had some interest; where everyone thought NR will actually catch LH and they would collide and the world would be happy again. But this looks like how the season is going to be for NR. A rude awakening that he is no match for LH in race trim.
Similar case in our team. I see a lot of posts with 'favoritism' tags being labelled against the team and alonso; but truth of the matter is, in race trim, i do not think KR is up there with FA. Which is nothing to be ashamed of. I hardly think anyone in the pitlane is a match for FA.
Besides, they were fighting for 6th and 7th. Its ridiculous that we are even discussing favoritism. Alonso was clearly faster, even if its by a few tenths. If he hadnt been stuck behind kimi for the first 3 quarters of the race, maybe Vettel wouldnt have caught alonso. Lots of 'ifs' here.
Best is to put it aside and look forward to the next race.
Cheers!

[Alesi1]

I imagine Kimi had to go on 2 stops because he was not able to attack as much as Alonso can, seems pretty simple so Ferrari should just tell him that if he is sulking still at the track.

Alonso was clearly quicker on the hard compound as well

[Stormsearcher]

I'm sorry but Kimi is incredibly rude. I don't care if you're disappointed with your race or what happened with the strategy - part of your role as an F1 driver is to deal with the press. Oh I am sure this will be passed off as 'LOL CLASSIC KIMI' but it's just plain ignorant.

Agreed!