Spanish GP 2014 - Race Thread

[Suzie]

If Kimi thinks Alonso was favoured today and was shocked by it, I don't know where he has been since 2010. Welcome to Alonso-era Ferrari, Kimbo.

[LivingHitokiri]

I'm sorry but Kimi is incredibly rude. I don't care if you're disappointed with your race or what happened with the strategy - part of your role as an F1 driver is to deal with the press. Oh I am sure this will be passed off as 'LOL CLASSIC KIMI' but it's just plain ignorant.

He is dealing with the press and he got ever right to ignore stupid repetitive questions that only purpose is to stir things up or cause more drama. So the driver is rude by saying " i do not know" but it is not rude from the press or ignorant for asking stupid questions ? I thought this works both ways ?

I saw no issues of Kimi replying to other journos that asked him normal questions.

[Suzie]

They all have to put up with it, why should he get away with acting like that?

[LivingHitokiri]

Alonso was clearly faster, even if its by a few tenths. If he hadnt been stuck behind kimi for the first 3 quarters of the race, maybe Vettel wouldnt have caught alonso. Lots of 'ifs' here.

This was analytically debunked to downright false few post ago,bother to read couple of my posts back as the reply to the same kind of false "assumptions" you seem to make.

[LivingHitokiri]

They all have to put up with it, why should he get away with acting like that?

You mean, why A person different that person B when it come to handle the media ?
When you reply someone to the first question " i do not know" but that person keeps repeating the question in a different sneaky manner what do you expect to get as reply ?

[Stormsearcher]

This was analytically debunked to downright false few post ago,bother to read couple of my posts back as the reply to the same kind of false "assumptions" you seem to make.

hmm.. how about we see the last 5 races back?
Then we can talk.

[Yoda401]

It would have been nice to see Kimi and Nando fighting on equal terms today. I think Raikkonen has a legit reason to be annoyed. If it was the other way around, Along would also wish to seek clarity. Either way, squabbling over 6th and 7th isn't what ferrari want!!!

[LivingHitokiri]

hmm.. how about we see the last 5 races back?
Then we can talk.

Totally and absolutely irrelevant to the topic, either stick to it and back your arguments but do not try to avoid it just because you were proven wrong.
We are talking about this race only.

[radosav]

I'm sorry but Kimi is incredibly rude. I don't care if you're disappointed with your race or what happened with the strategy - part of your role as an F1 driver is to deal with the press. Oh I am sure this will be passed off as 'LOL CLASSIC KIMI' but it's just plain ignorant.

Alonso choose to change his strategy during the race, he chose the one that was considered '' worse'', he pushed as hard as he could. why is Kimi angry???? i thought that Kimi doesn't care if he is in front Alonso or not. but obviously he cares a lot, cause Alonso was the only guy he was fighting with.

[Suzie]

You mean, why A person different that person B when it come to handle the media ?
When you reply someone to the first question " i do not know" but that person keeps repeating the question in a different sneaky manner what do you expect to get as reply ?

That's what he's getting the big paycheck for. Stupid media questions come with the territory.

[Ed Harley]

Perhaps it is because when he for once has a weekend, where he is faster than Alonso, he does not get equal treatment.

[Ed Harley]

That's what he's getting the big paycheck for. Stupid media questions come with the territory.

He replied that he did not know. Whet else is there to add?

[LivingHitokiri]

Alonso choose to change his strategy during the race, he chose the one that was considered '' worse'', he pushed as hard as he could. why is Kimi angry???? i thought that Kimi doesn't care if he is in front Alonso or not. but obviously he cares a lot, cause Alonso was the only guy he was fighting with.

Ermm no, Alonso didnt choose the strategy, he was forced to change strategy because he was having problems with the tyres and he asked the team if he can pit earlier,plus he was trying to defend his place from Vettel which made the change in the strategy even more preeminent .
I have already proven to you that 2 race stop for both Ferrari wasnt the most beneficial but the 3 pit stop was the one. Your arguments got debunked over and over and yet you continue to insist with them.
Kimi isnt angry as you falsely claim at not beating Fernando but at his race engineer which was responsible for the wrong strategy.

[LivingHitokiri]

That's what he's getting the big paycheck for. Stupid media questions come with the territory.

No, he is paid to drive a car, the media and how he " replies" to them is up to each individual . One could argue that they prefer honest and short answer from Raikkonen rather a long and fabricated answer from other drivers.

[radosav]

Ermm no, Alonso didnt choose the strategy, he was forced to change strategy because he was having problems with the tyres and he asked the team if he can pit earlier,plus he was trying to defend his place from Vettel which made the change in the strategy even more preeminent .
I have already proven to you that 2 race stop for both Ferrari wasnt the most beneficial but the 3 pit stop was the one. Your arguments got debunked over and over and yet you continue to insist with them.
Kimi isnt angry as you falsely claim at not beating Fernando but at his race engineer which was responsible for the wrong strategy.

Where would ''better'' strategy led him??? Hmm??? Only in front Alonso. He wouldn't be threat to Vettel or Bottas!!!

[bonzo]

Pretty clear to me when you put it in that way :

Luca under pressure and working really hard
Alonso frustrated and contemplating switching teams if there is a way
Kimi pondering on whether there is favoritism going on
Stefano probably drinking a nice drink on a beach somewhere in this world relieved to have left just on time
Mattiacci thinking what have I done for taking on this role. This is such a mess

The biggest winner is Stefano!

[Ed Harley]

I don't see Alonso having been a threat to Vettel or Bottas. But perhaps it was important to bring the cars in in this order.

[LivingHitokiri]

Where would ''better'' strategy led him??? Hmm??? Only in front Alonso. He wouldn't be threat to Vettel or Bottas!!!

He was 7 seconds behind Bottas on same " wrong strategy " and if he made 3 pit stops one could easily argue ( taking into consideration the enormous pace difference ) that he could take and overtake bottas.
The only reason why Alonso didn't get to attack bottas is because he lost too much with the Raikkonen battle and the laps were too few afterwards plus Alonso wasn't pushing after he passed Raikkonen as it was too late at this point.

Even if Raikkonen gained 0 places it would no excuse the poor choice of strategy that was made, thats a fact. It may not have big impact now but if we do such mistakes when we are going for the WDC then you will understand how important it is.

[Winter]

Lead car usually gets 1st priority in terms of strategy. This wasn't the case today. We need to be careful here otherwise we could end up losing both of our drivers! In our quest to please Alonso we must not undermine Kimi. The irony is that it is our own fault to be in the situation we're in. If our our car was competitive Alonso would be a happy man and there would have been none of this fear of losing him.

+1

[SilverSpeed]

Sorry I haven't fully watched the race, only followed it with one eye. Seems I didn't missed to much sigh...

[radosav]

He was 7 seconds behind Bottas on same " wrong strategy " and if he made 3 pit stops one could easily argue ( taking into consideration the enormous pace difference ) that he could take and overtake bottas.
The only reason why Alonso didn't get to attack bottas is because he lost too much with the Raikkonen battle and the laps were too few afterwards plus Alonso wasn't pushing after he passed Raikkonen as it was too late at this point.

Even if Raikkonen gained 0 places it would no excuse the poor choice of strategy that was made, thats a fact. It may not have big impact now but if we do such mistakes when we are going for the WDC then you will understand how important it is.

How come only 6 out of 22 drivers went for ''better' 3 stop strategy? did all teams try to screw their drivers or they considered it was better strategy to go for 2 stops? How come Alonso ended up 8 sec behind Bottas? Alonso was pushing until the end. he gained 4 sec in last few laps on Bottas.

[Nero Horse]

Perhaps it is because when he for once has a weekend, where he is faster than Alonso, he does not get equal treatment.

Perhaps you could take off your "Kimi glasses" and stop talking such utter nonsense? Or is that too much to ask? If Ferrari would've "favored" Alonso then they could've just told Kimi to let Alonso by in "multi-21" style or keep Kimi in the pits longer during the first pit stop, instead of letting Kimi be in front of Alonso the whole race. Just because Kim's strategy didn't work out you're immmediately yelling "conspiracy!" LOL If you want to think that way then fine, but don't talk such rubbish here, I'm sure there are plenty of Kimi fan forums where you can discuss various conspiracy theories with your fellow Kimi fanboys.

[radosav]

He was 7 seconds behind Bottas on same " wrong strategy " and if he made 3 pit stops one could easily argue ( taking into consideration the enormous pace difference ) that he could take and overtake bottas.
The only reason why Alonso didn't get to attack bottas is because he lost too much with the Raikkonen battle and the laps were too few afterwards plus Alonso wasn't pushing after he passed Raikkonen as it was too late at this point.

Even if Raikkonen gained 0 places it would no excuse the poor choice of strategy that was made, thats a fact. It may not have big impact now but if we do such mistakes when we are going for the WDC then you will understand how important it is.

This sentence was the reason why most of teams considered 2 stop better strategy!!! THE TRAFFIC!!!

[NickEice]

I think Kimi and his fans are just a bit butthurt after getting their hopes up for Kimis first team victory of the year. Alonso would have prob beaten Kimi without pitting the 3rd time as well. I still think it would have been better to not pit but it would have been risky.

Kimi fans it's OK to get beaten by the best driver on the grid. Just do what Ferrari tells you for the better of the team, which is to appease Alonso so he doesn't leave us. He is the single most important "upgrade" any team can bring to their chassis.

[Winter]

Are you guys seriously arguing about this! Fernando was clearly faster today. When our boys had to pass Grosjean after the first pit stop, Kimi almost had 4 seconds on Nando when he passed the Frenchman and yet somehow Nando came back within 10 laps. Case closed Nando was faster than Kimi... Again

Are you serious? They were almost side by side when Kimi got out from pits. After that Kimi build some gap, but he had to slow down to save his tires. Off course Alonso was faster at that point because he didn't need to save his tires like Kimi had.

[LivingHitokiri]

How come only 6 out of 22 drivers went for ''better' 3 stop strategy? did all teams try to screw their drivers or they considered it was better strategy to go for 2 stops? How come Alonso ended up 8 sec behind Bottas? Alonso was pushing until the end. he gained 4 sec in last few laps on Bottas.

There are many factors that play in a race. We got teams like Mercedes that can go considerably faster even if they choose to pit once less simply because their pace is enormous.For the rest is quite different il explain on why.

it is commonly known and seen that teams that are in the middle of the grid many times go for more " risky" choice of strategy like doing one less pit stop in order to cover a big gap of time and hoping some fortunate turn of events will happen in order for them to gain plenty of places with the time saved and then turtle it till the end. There are however occasions when in this positions where the faster paced cars are getting back in the grid due to penalties or accidents. These cars can utilize their superior pace by following a more aggressive strategy which allows the to be more aggressive during the race and by that neglecting the effort of the turtling teams simply because these teams lose much more time per lap than they gained from the less pits stop.This was evident today on Vettel and his gain of places.

The above i wrote however are quite different when it comes to teams that are equal or their pace is very close to each other.Not only the teams have a smaller gap of error in strategy they chose and a small mistake in that can lead to huge differences.
There is no argue that both Alonso's and Vettel strategy worked out much better ,same goes for Gutierrez who beat his 2 pit stop teammate . Massa should be excluded since he had many issues.Anyway, as you know this can be more accurately analyzed if we compare two cars from the same team . Alonso, evidently had some early tyre issues which prompted him to the decision of taking an early pit stop,which was a great choice taking into consideration of Vettel strategy,so, it was killing two birds with one stone, in theory at least.Raikkonen on the other hand was only suffering from tyre degradation which would make one to assume that he would got for the same strategy as his team mate as it not only pointless for going on same strategy as Bopttas as we couldnt catch him but also Raikkonen had to worry behind his back because vettel was coming in fast and Alonso was on different strategy. At that crucial point the let Raikkonen to keep the first planned 2 stops strategy but it backfired . Raikkonen wa losing over 2 seconds per lap in comparison to his teamate that was on a different strategy. Raikkonen , in order for him to have benefit from the 1 less pit stop he had to be 22 seconds ahead of Alonso by the time he made his last pit stop, instead he came out and the gap was only 5 seconds. So in conclusion, not only Raikkonen almost lost all the gap he got from the second stint but he was forced for the rest of 22 laps in already disadvantageous position as he was turtling compared to his teammate who was going aggressive strategy and was only 5 seconds behind.

So different teams choose different strategies, it doesn't mean because the majority chose a strategy then it means it the best for everyone.
As for the Alonso, like i mentioned before,Bottas had the same tyres as Raikkonen but luckily for him Alonso wasted too much time behind Raikkonen trying to pass him so after he did that it was already too late. he gained the same time from Bottas as he gained from Raikkonen, it was simply pointless to push the car at it maximum when nobody could catch or pass anyone at this point of the race .Alsonso just did a lap or two so safely have a gap between him and Raikkonen just in case he does a mistake or something happens in the last two laps but he wasnt pushing to catch bottas.

[Winter]

I'm sorry but Kimi is incredibly rude. I don't care if you're disappointed with your race or what happened with the strategy - part of your role as an F1 driver is to deal with the press. Oh I am sure this will be passed off as 'LOL CLASSIC KIMI' but it's just plain ignorant.

Maybe it's time to start scouting drivers from HOLLYWOOD then.

[LivingHitokiri]

Perhaps you could take off your "Kimi glasses" and stop talking such utter nonsense? Or is that too much to ask? If Ferrari would've "favored" Alonso then they could've just told Kimi to let Alonso by in "multi-21" style or keep Kimi in the pits longer during the first pit stop, instead of letting Kimi be in front of Alonso the whole race. Just because Kim's strategy didn't work out you're immmediately yelling "conspiracy!" LOL If you want to think that way then fine, but don't talk such rubbish here, I'm sure there are plenty of Kimi fan forums where you can discuss various conspiracy theories with your fellow Kimi fanboys.

Who are you exactly telling people were to post and who to support,especially to Ferrari fans ? Take it easy ,youre getting this way too personal .

This sentence was the reason why most of teams considered 2 stop better strategy!!! THE TRAFFIC!!!

I already quoted tons of times like Alonso said his problem was the tyres degradations and not the traffic. Im repeatting myself again and again at this point.

I think Kimi and his fans are just a bit butthurt after getting their hopes up for Kimis first team victory of the year. Alonso would have prob beaten Kimi without pitting the 3rd time as well. I still think it would have been better to not pit but it would have been risky.

Kimi fans it's OK to get beaten by the best driver on the grid. Just do what Ferrari tells you for the better of the team, which is to appease Alonso so he doesn't leave us. He is the single most important "upgrade" any team can bring to their chassis.

I think you're wrong, you're just trying glorify a moment of your favorite driver just because it suits you but at the same time you ignore the hard facts of the race that are provided. You tend to ignore these and just resort to the usual pointless repetitiveness of " my driver is the best than your bla h blah " and so on.

If we take Alonso's words about his tyre degradation problems that were bigger than Raikkonens then no, Alonso would've lost much more time as the problem was bigger for him so its only logical to assume that.


http://www.formula1.com/news/headlin...4/5/15821.html

From the official formula 1 site Alonso mentions that he couldnt have passed Raikkonen on the same tyres and he was worried more about Vettel behind him rather Raikkonen at that point but, because the strategy worked better he gained advantage and passed Raikkonen,simple as that.

[Winter]

If Kimi thinks Alonso was favoured today and was shocked by it, I don't know where he has been since 2010. Welcome to Alonso-era Ferrari, Kimbo.

If Ferrari thought they hired just another lap dog they had another thing coming.

[Greig]

If Ferrari thought they hired just another lap dog they had another thing coming.

What's Kimi going to do about it? sulk to the media oooooh Ferrari will be worried now LOL.

He can leave off course.