Raikkonen struggles at Ferrari no surprise for Massa

[anacleto]

How do you know what happened here then since you have only been a member since April of this year?

Right now there's 64 people on line here, 54 guests ten members.

[theforce]

Getting run into by Kobayashi, a 60 second pit stop, and a very ill timed safety car.

At least 20 points there left on the table.

Looks like you also have a copy of Massa's Handbook called "Endless Excuses for Poor Performance".

[theforce]

Getting taken out during qualifying in Monaco didn't help either. I'm convinced that half of the people who question his competence compared to Bottas's haven't even been watching this season.

lol, typical excuses for his poor performance.

Don't know what you've been watching over the years my friend. Fact of the matter is, all the problems this year have been his own fault. Some drivers have a knack for getting tangled and causing their own bad luck, his whole season of being magnetized to Lewis shows for it self.

Love how Felipe supporters always back up his poor form behind the shield of "stop bashing Felipe" and are completely oblivious to the fact that he simply can't deliver when compared to the likes of Fernando. This the not the first time he's brought the talk of Fernando hogging the team for himself to surface, its rather boring now.

[theforce]

Exactly. It's not like Felipe went and sought out a reporter to say this, he was asked a question and answered it.

There is always a better way to answer a question rather than take a cheap shot at your former team/team-mate to justify your own poor form.

[SinanOzerS]

Classic Felipe.

[fratelliferrari]

Looks like you also have a copy of Massa's Handbook called "Endless Excuses for Poor Performance".

Trying to be funny? Because you failed completely...

[Winter]

That is actually the most remarkable part of the article, everything else is just common sense.

And that was common sense too, there might have been same kind of deal in 2008 and 2009 too.

[Silent Bob]

Who here can honestly say that they supported all Ferrari drivers when with the team? Rubens was hated with a capital H here when with" team orders" Ferrari. Venom spewed on a daily basis. Who here hated MS when he joined up with Merc? He was no lomger with Ferrari but you'd never guess it here. Massa got his head split open driving for Ferrari. The little bit of gratitude Ferrari gave him was a boot in the ass. Williams took Massa on because of his driving ability and F1 experience, not because he was with Ferrari. What's the boy supposed to do in an interview, say Ferrari who? Dumping Massa was the answer, look where we are! Not even Kimi can help us so far. IMO S Dom got out before he got kiked out Massa style and managed to save face. He helped bring us to an all time low, not Massa. Freedom of speech should be acknowledged world wide. I wish only the best for Massa after all he did for us. And I wish a better set of wheels for Kimi ASAP. When Ferrari gives Alonso a pole setting car he will win every race. He is the best we ever had.

I think Ferrari gave Massa a little more than just a bit of gratitude after his accident. They gave him 3-4 years of contracts after it. If a person wants to be petty then blame your previous employer for all your problems. Why is he bitter towards Ferrari. If Williams is such a breath of fresh air then why didn't he tell the reporter that maybe he should have made the decision to leave Ferrari sooner rather than stick around and force them to give him a 'boot in the ass'. There are gracious ways to answer questions and when you choose not to, then you sound petty and vindictive. And if we use your argument of free speech then if Massa wishes to crap on Ferrari, then it's fair play for Ferrari supporters to crap on Massa.

[Hornet]

Looks like you also have a copy of Massa's Handbook called "Endless Excuses for Poor Performance".

Perhaps you should explain to us how was it Massa's fault that someone else ran into him or when the pit crew screwed up, because those were exactly the incidents the post you quoted was referring to. Back your statement up.

lol, typical excuses for his poor performance.

Don't know what you've been watching over the years my friend. Fact of the matter is, all the problems this year have been his own fault. Some drivers have a knack for getting tangled and causing their own bad luck, his whole season of being magnetized to Lewis shows for it self.

Love how Felipe supporters always back up his poor form behind the shield of "stop bashing Felipe" and are completely oblivious to the fact that he simply can't deliver when compared to the likes of Fernando. This the not the first time he's brought the talk of Fernando hogging the team for himself to surface, its rather boring now.

So was it Kimi's fault that Chilton ran into him in Monaco? Or does the law of nature operates differently for Massa.

Massa had never make any excuses on why he couldn't perform on par as Alonso did, he explained in the very first post of this thread how Alonso always has the advantage especially when the car isn't ideal.

I think Ferrari gave Massa a little more than just a bit of gratitude after his accident. They gave him 3-4 years of contracts after it. If a person wants to be petty then blame your previous employer for all your problems. Why is he bitter towards Ferrari. If Williams is such a breath of fresh air then why didn't he tell the reporter that maybe he should have made the decision to leave Ferrari sooner rather than stick around and force them to give him a 'boot in the ass'. There are gracious ways to answer questions and when you choose not to, then you sound petty and vindictive. And if we use your argument of free speech then if Massa wishes to crap on Ferrari, then it's fair play for Ferrari supporters to crap on Massa.

You guys have been crapping on Massa all along even when he was driving for Ferrari, in all those years he sacrificed his own race to help the team. Don't ride the high horse now.

[Silent Bob]

You guys have been crapping on Massa all along even when he was driving for Ferrari, in all those years he sacrificed his own race to help the team. Don't ride the high horse now.

Sorry man, you got it wrong. I didn't crap on Massa when he was driving for Ferrari. Was I disappointed in his performance... absolutely and felt it was time for him to go.. But I always respected him as a Ferrari driver. My loyalty is to Ferrari and now that Massa is not part of Ferrari and he feels the need to boost himself while taking digs at Ferrari, then I have an issue with that. He's a nice guy, I don't hate him.. he just isn't the driver we need to help us win the WCC. Is Kimi. Don't know yet, will have to wait and see how he progresses. Has Kimi ever made disparaging remarks about his time at Lotus?

[REDARMYSOJA]

There is always a better way to answer a question rather than take a cheap shot at your former team/team-mate to justify your own poor form.

I'm struggling to find the cheap shot in Massa's interview. Please point it out.

[Winter]

Kimi throws in the towel...




LINK>>Ferrari’s Kimi Raikkonen admits 2014 F1 title chance ‘seems to be over’

If that was from Santander PR event in Norway, he also said there, that it would be nice if somebody could challenge Mercedes and it would be even nicer if it would be someone from Ferrari(meaning Alonso).

To his WDC, it's 122 vs 17 at the moment. It's another thing to throw in the towel, than just accept the reality. He also said that, of course he still tries to get as much points as possible.

[REDARMYSOJA]

Right now there's 64 people on line here, 54 guests ten members.

OK, thanks. But what does that have to do with anything?

[Winter]

OK, thanks. But what does that have to do with anything?

Maybe that there's plenty of people following this forum without signing them selves in, as I did for some time..

And that reminds me.. Is there some setting I need to change to not get logged off every 15 mins? That's very annoying..

[REDARMYSOJA]

Maybe that there's plenty of people following this forum without signing them selves in, as I did for some time..

And that reminds me.. Is there some setting I need to change to not get logged off every 15 mins? That's very annoying..

Just seems strange that someone would lurk for 12 years, then decide to join.

I have no idea why you are being logged off. Might be a browser problem.

[REDARMYSOJA]

He also said that, of course he still tries to get as much points as possible.

I never said he wouldn't. Those are Kimi's words, not mine. If you have a problem with them, I suggest you speak to Kimi.

[Kingdom Hearts]

Kimi throws in the towel...





LINK>>Ferrari’s Kimi Raikkonen admits 2014 F1 title chance ‘seems to be over’

I can't imagine the reactions if Fernando says something like that.

[Nero Horse]

Who here can honestly say that they supported all Ferrari drivers when with the team? Rubens was hated with a capital H here when with" team orders" Ferrari. Venom spewed on a daily basis. Who here hated MS when he joined up with Merc? He was no lomger with Ferrari but you'd never guess it here. Massa got his head split open driving for Ferrari. The little bit of gratitude Ferrari gave him was a boot in the ass. Williams took Massa on because of his driving ability and F1 experience, not because he was with Ferrari. What's the boy supposed to do in an interview, say Ferrari who? Dumping Massa was the answer, look where we are! Not even Kimi can help us so far. IMO S Dom got out before he got kiked out Massa style and managed to save face. He helped bring us to an all time low, not Massa. Freedom of speech should be acknowledged world wide. I wish only the best for Massa after all he did for us. And I wish a better set of wheels for Kimi ASAP. When Ferrari gives Alonso a pole setting car he will win every race. He is the best we ever had.

Me! I can honestly say that I've always supported all the Ferrari drivers. And you're completely wrong about Ferrari's gratitude towards Massa being "a boot in the ass"...Ferrari's gratitude for Massa were multiple contract renewals year after year and having faith in Massa for so long, despite his subpar results. Get your stories straight before making such nonsense claims!

And Massa can talk about how much he likes being at Williams as much as he wants, but like was said earlier, his comments do not have to include negative remarks and hints towards Ferrari. Massa still has many Ferrari fans who like him, myself included, but with such remarks towards Ferrari he's alienating all these fans. i'm sure there's a way for him to make his comments without making any negative remarks towards Ferrari.

[Winter]

I never said he wouldn't. Those are Kimi's words, not mine. If you have a problem with them, I suggest you speak to Kimi.

Kimi didn't say anything about towels, or did I miss something?

[REDARMYSOJA]

Kimi didn't say anything about towels, or did I miss something?

Ah, so it's the "throw in the towel" thing that has your knickers in a twist. That's just a figure of speech indicating something is over, but since it has offended you so, I'll rephrase that.


Kimi says “It seems to be over. The Mercedes cars are too fast.

“We [Ferrari] want to be ahead, but my challenge on the championship seems to be over for the season,”.


But that doesn't mean he won't still give his utmost effort for the team and he's still better than that stinky Massa.

Is that better?

[Winter]

Ah, so it's the "throw in the towel" thing that has your knickers in a twist. That's just a figure of speech indicating something is over, but since it has offended you so, I'll rephrase that.


Kimi says “It seems to be over. The Mercedes cars are too fast.

“We [Ferrari] want to be ahead, but my challenge on the championship seems to be over for the season,”.


But that doesn't mean he won't still give his utmost effort for the team and he's still better than that stinky Massa.

Is that better?

Oh, and I've always thought that "throwing a towel" would be a sign of giving up. Sorry my English then, not my first language

But you are wrong if you think that I have something against Massa. He and Valtteri make my second favorite team

[Giallo 550]

lol, typical excuses for his poor performance.

Don't know what you've been watching over the years my friend. Fact of the matter is, all the problems this year have been his own fault.

I've watched every Grand Prix over the past four and a half years. Blaming Felipe for his accidents this year is like blaming Fernando for what happened with Grosjean in Spa in 2012. Learn to be objective instead of making asinine blanket statements.

[Suzie]

I'm struggling to find the cheap shot in Massa's interview. Please point it out.

I'd like to see this as well.

Felipe gets torn apart for giving an honest opinion on his former team, despite never speaking out when he WAS there. Unlike his oh-so illustrious former teammate who allegedly threatened to blab all over Twitter about lack of updates at Ferrari and then said he wanted a different car to drive.

[REDARMYSOJA]

Oh, and I've always thought that "throwing a towel" would be a sign of giving up. Sorry my English then, not my first language

But you are wrong if you think that I have something against Massa. He and Valtteri make my second favorite team

Well, "throwing in the towel" would be a sign of giving up. It comes from boxing, where the manager throws a towel into the ring to signal their guy has had enough. I didn't mean however to give the implication Kimi wasn't going to try, it was just indicating his assessment of his WDC chances. I agree with him though, and really, I think it's pretty well over for Alonso bar a miracle, though Alonso does have a better chance. I'm sure both know this. They'll still give it their all for a podium or possible win. I think that's the best they can expect from this season.

[Stormsearcher]

Is there some setting I need to change to not get logged off every 15 mins? That's very annoying..

Happens to me too. If there is no activity (read as typing stuff) for 10 min, it automatically logs you off. A bit annoying. yes.

[Stormsearcher]

I'd like to see this as well.

Felipe gets torn apart for giving an honest opinion on his former team, despite never speaking out when he WAS there. Unlike his oh-so illustrious former teammate who allegedly threatened to blab all over Twitter about lack of updates at Ferrari and then said he wanted a different car to drive.

Does it have to come to this? The "oh-so illustrious former teammate" is a CURRENT ferrari driver, and someone who's really kept the flag flying for the team the last 4 years. There was no need to slag him.

[Winter]

Well, "throwing in the towel" would be a sign of giving up. It comes from boxing, where the manager throws a towel into the ring to signal their guy has had enough. I didn't mean however to give the implication Kimi wasn't going to try, it was just indicating his assessment of his WDC chances. I agree with him though, and really, I think it's pretty well over for Alonso bar a miracle, though Alonso does have a better chance. I'm sure both know this. They'll still give it their all for a podium or possible win. I think that's the best they can expect from this season.

Yes, I agree, that's pretty much how I think it is at the moment.

[ManFromMilan]

about lack of updates at Ferrari and then said he wanted a different car to drive.

No, he wanted a car as good as his rivals to drive. Unless you think the Scuderia Ferrari deserves a second or third best car on the grid.

Sure Mr. Enzo would just love that.

[abbottcostello]

Happens to me too. If there is no activity (read as typing stuff) for 10 min, it automatically logs you off. A bit annoying. yes.

Strange, I stay logged in as long as I leave my computer on & TSN is open in a tab, doesn't even have to be the active tab, if I switch to it I'm already logged in!

Seems that we're a bit too defensive on here about anyone saying just about anything about Ferrari, comes with not winning I think? Once the Scuderia gets back to its winning ways, people will say "who cares, let them talk" or ""sour grapes"

[theforce]

Trying to be funny? Because you failed completely...

No I wasn't...so does that mean I passed completely?