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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed Harley View Post
    I wouldn't call 2014 Williams exactly inferior. But FM is one point ahead of KR. And VB has 16 points more than FM so sign Bottas to Ferrari after KR retires?
    FM is only behind VB because of other factors not necessarily related to his driving, Ed! Can't really fault either of them for their performances this season, but Felipe's bad luck just keeps coming. And Bottas may well be a future star, just as Massa has always been for some of us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by REDARMYSOJA View Post
    LOL, that's the exact thing that kept happening to Massa, yet he was "awful"?
    Dude, this is not even close to being disputable: awful and that is it. Just facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by windwaves View Post
    Dude, this is not even close to being disputable: awful and that is it. Just facts.
    NO, not at all that's your opinion and not a fact
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    The 2014 Williams is an inferior car to the Ferrari. It has been better at a couple circuits that suited their car but for the most part the Ferrari is better.

    We are all complaining this year about a crap car but we are a close 3rd best on the grid, and if the rumors are true we could be moving up to best of the rest this week in Canada. Nobody is close to Mercedes, without them we'd be in the middle of an intense Championship battle.

    There is something fishy about the Mercedes. There are a lot of brilliant engineers up and down the pit lane, how could a team just be that much better? I don't trust that team, not after what they pulled last year with the tire test.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed Harley View Post
    I wouldn't call 2014 Williams exactly inferior. But FM is one point ahead of KR. And VB has 16 points more than FM so sign Bottas to Ferrari after KR retires?
    And no, not Bottas, sign Hulkenberg, like everyone with half a brain knows they should have done this year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NickEice View Post
    And no, not Bottas, sign Hulkenberg, like everyone with half a brain knows they should have done this year.
    Putting Hulkenberg in an already overweight car would not help. BTW, I am a big Hulk fan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NickEice View Post
    There is something fishy about the Mercedes. There are a lot of brilliant engineers up and down the pit lane, how could a team just be that much better? I don't trust that team, not after what they pulled last year with the tire test.
    This is what happens whenever there is a major change in the formula, and 2014 is a huge change. It is no surprise that one manufacturer got it more right than the others. Things will necessarily tighten up in the coming years, but having a big advantage in the beginning gives Merc lots of opportunity to refine their car while others play catch up. A lot of Merc's strength seems to be in execution as opposed to basic design, at least on the engine side. Once Ferrari figure out how to make their PU work, I think it will be the best of the lot. It will be fun to see how Honda cope, and whether VW/Audi/Porsche are bold enough to jump in the water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiwi Nick View Post
    Putting Hulkenberg in an already overweight car would not help. BTW, I am a big Hulk fan.
    I hear you, but if we aren't fighting for a championship, one of the reasons being our car is heavy, then why bother signing Kimi at all? At least give Hulk this year to get accostomed to working at Maranello.
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    Quote Originally Posted by windwaves View Post
    Dude, this is not even close to being disputable: awful and that is it. Just facts.
    If Massa was "factually awful" as you claimed, he would have been out of a drive this year. Williams would never hire an awful driver when they are trying to rebuild the team to a winning one.

    Obviously the team sees all the quality in Massa, and I tend to trust the judgement someone who actually runs an F1 team as huge as Williams

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    Quote Originally Posted by windwaves View Post
    Dude, this is not even close to being disputable: awful and that is it. Just facts.
    There has never been much difference between Felipe and Kimi......does that mean Kimi is awful too? Come on.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by vecchiasignora View Post
    Actually last 2 races, Kimi had Alonso beat. And was either strategy or some accident that didnt let him finish ahead last 2 races.
    Strategy is a part of racing so Alonso beat Kimi on that occasion.......and the puncture, yep, nothing Kimi could do about that and without it he might have finished in front of Fernando or he might not. We'll never know.
    Fact is that Fernando had his problems too that race but kept calm and finished in the points. Kimi could have done the same.....
    What I mean to say is that Kimi indeed is a great driver, but not quite on Alonso's level yet at this moment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alonsomaniac View Post
    Strategy is a part of racing so Alonso beat Kimi on that occasion.......and the puncture, yep, nothing Kimi could do about that and without it he might have finished in front of Fernando or he might not. We'll never know.
    Fact is that Fernando had his problems too that race but kept calm and finished in the points. Kimi could have done the same.....
    What I mean to say is that Kimi indeed is a great driver, but not quite on Alonso's level yet at this moment.
    we don't know who is better yet till they are running the car with same people who design the car and the set-up before racing, in my opinion. In facts both of them are massive F1 driver

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    We need one of our guys on pole for a win to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anacleto View Post
    We need one of our guys on pole for a win to happen.
    Pole? What's that? Haven't seen one in the dry since... 2010
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    Something tells me that we won't be seeing a Ferrari on pole anytime in the foreseeable future.


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    Come on man ! Didn't you ever hear about miracals? 1969 & 1986, the Mets won the world series! Anythings possible. If there's a way Alonso will fiind it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anacleto View Post
    Come on man ! Didn't you ever hear about miracals? 1969 & 1986, the Mets won the world series! Anythings possible. If there's a way Alonso will fiind it.
    Exactly. Unlike some other drivers Alonso stays optimistic and has his eyes wide open to see any opportunity, always.
    You can run like the wind, but you'll never outrun the Prancing Horse

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