Austrian GP 2014 Qualifying Thread

[Alonso14]

Yes its a Ferrari forum, but this is Ferrari/F1 quali thread. I think its very childish and school boy/girl attitude to say that if you show support/congratulate another team/driver you dont belong in our gang. Come on people. I praise, show respect to other teams (enemy) for beating us, or getting a win/pole after many many years. Doesnt make you a worse supporter for saying well done, or discussing the achievement. Its F1, part of what this forum is, Ferrari and F1 news.

I'm a bit perplexed. 2 weeks ago it was a big deal that some us discussed the Perez-Massa incident. Now it's okay?

[stefa]

I'm a bit perplexed. 2 weeks ago it was a big deal that some us discussed the Perez-Massa incident. Now it's okay?

******** moves in mysterious ways!

[mark p]

Stefano couldn't build a winning team hence why he's a failure and all what scuderia_nano said is justified.

I am not Massas fan (in fact I don't like him for his discontent about orders that Ferrari gave him, he's not a teamplayer, ego is too big) but I know that he was representing Ferraris real pace in races and quali. This is how our team would look without Alonso. We would be somewhere alongside Mclaren or even in a worse shape.

That does not make sense. Alonso is part of Ferrari team so what he does in a Ferrari is Ferrari's true pace or can we say RedBull are rubbish it is only Newey or Merc are not good it is only the engine department? The highest place Ferrari is a reflection of the cars true pace not the slower one.

[Hornet]

I'm a bit perplexed. 2 weeks ago it was a big deal that some us discussed the Perez-Massa incident. Now it's okay?

How does congratulating Massa makes it a hot topic? We congratulate other drivers all the time, when Schumi got his pole with Merc, many congratulate him too.

In Canada however, some people were so fixated on bashing Massa, they kept banging on and on about the accident.

[Kristof_F40]

That does not make sense. Alonso is part of Ferrari team so what he does in a Ferrari is Ferrari's true pace or can we say RedBull are rubbish it is only Newey or Merc are not good it is only the engine department? The highest place Ferrari is a reflection of the cars true pace not the slower one.

I don't think that's correct, perhaps we could have gone faster so, it's not a reflection. The car in it self has certain capabilities, how fast is it around a corner (downforce level in different kind of corners) how fast is it on a straight etc. The driver in it self also has some capabilities. The point of F1 is the combination, the combination is not just an addition, it's an integration. Look at Vettel, he did a good job the last few year, now RIC does a much better job. Why? Seb doesn't like the car now and doesn't find a way to cope with it, RIC does. A car can be capable of doing a certain speed for sure, but the question his how easily can the car doe that lap time, if a car is every unstable, the car in itself has difficulty to go around a track very fast and only in the hands of a very good driver it will be able to do such a performance. So for sure every speed a car does is a speed the car is capable of doing, but that doesn't mean it is Obvious. Fernando seems to be able to extract everything out of a certain package, where others often fail to do so. Does that mean that our car has been a very good car over the last few races? Since we were fighting for WDC in 2010 and 2012 and we finished second in 2013? I don't think so, Fernando was able to extract everything out of it, and making the car shine more than it should be.. Kimi is struggling, not because he's a bad driver, because the car isn't that good

[anacleto]

If not Alonso , great to see Massa on pole. Alonso may very well win but Massa on pole is great. Vettel 13th is also very great!! Williams, not Merc on pole or 2nd!! F1 is great.

[Greig]

I'm a bit perplexed. 2 weeks ago it was a big deal that some us discussed the Perez-Massa incident. Now it's okay?

The post was not discussing Massa v Perez though was it, try harder next time you try to score a point.

[Forzi]

This forum and some people are a lil bit too strict. What's the big deal about congratulating another driver? I personally wouldn't mind if we even had people here that are not fans of this team we have today, just so they don't start bashing it, just stating their views in a not agressive manner. People have cheered for, criticised and discussed about people that are no longer here for many many years, yet we constantly hear, year after year, some other people saying that they shouldn't do it for whatever reason. What's so bad about that? Will you die off if it's not all about Ferrari in the every single comment? Never really liked the strictness of speech, it's a free world isn't it? People shouldn't get their panties in a twist if they see a few comments not entirely about our current team. It's not like threads are being made or hijacked, it doesn't threaten this forum in any way. Just grab a pint or glass of wine, and chill sometimes. Let people be happy with a comment or two about a driver they adore. Why give a damn?

[hogo]

That does not make sense. Alonso is part of Ferrari team so what he does in a Ferrari is Ferrari's true pace or can we say RedBull are rubbish it is only Newey or Merc are not good it is only the engine department? The highest place Ferrari is a reflection of the cars true pace not the slower one.

It doesn't make sense to you cos you think Alonso is as good as any driver but no better. I on the other hand think that he is the best driver Ferrari has ever had since I started watching this sport (even better than MS).


To all those that disagree with my comment about Massa. He did what was expected of him, any kind of disobedience would have costed him his job. But he was quite open in the interviews and such that he dislikes team orders. Also remember Germany and "Alonso is faster than you"? Yeah he made us look bad. But I agree that he's probably one of the best nr2 drivers Ferrari has ever had (again since I started watching this sport thats about 20 years)

[mark p]

It doesn't make sense to you cos you think Alonso is as good as any driver but no better. I on the other hand think that he is the best driver Ferrari has ever had since I started watching this sport (even better than MS).


To all those that disagree with my comment about Massa. He did what was expected of him, any kind of disobedience would have costed him his job. But he was quite open in the interviews and such that he dislikes team orders. Also remember Germany and "Alonso is faster than you"? Yeah he made us look bad. But I agree that he's probably one of the best nr2 drivers Ferrari has ever had (again since I started watching this sport thats about 20 years)

Alonso is part of the team what he achieves is what Ferrari achieve no point trying to seperate them. Same as Newey at RedBull. Having the best driver is great just as RedBull have the best designer.

[Nero Horse]

I on the other hand think that he is the best driver Ferrari has ever had since I started watching this sport (even better than MS).

I strongly disagree with that statement. Schumi was, is and always will be the best. But Alonso is certainly an amazing driver as well, the best among the current generation for sure.

[anacleto]

I have to agree with hogo, Alonso is the best Ferrari ever had. Schumi had the best car, Ross ,Todt and wing man Rubens at his command 24/7 and still lost to Alonso twice. Today Alonso with just the best car [ equal say to Merc] would be unbeatable without the team orders from todt and Ross that Schumi had in his favor. And we know for sure Kimi will never become Rubenized for Alonso to win. Alonso for sure is the best ever @ Ferrari. We just need " The Car ! "

[Nero Horse]

I have to agree with hogo, Alonso is the best Ferrari ever had. Schumi had the best car, Ross ,Todt and wing man Rubens at his command 24/7 and still lost to Alonso twice. Today Alonso with just the best car [ equal say to Merc] would be unbeatable without the team orders from todt and Ross that Schumi had in his favor. And we know for sure Kimi will never become Rubenized for Alonso to win. Alonso for sure is the best ever @ Ferrari. We just need " The Car ! "

Yeah, cause Alonso never had any "wingmen" helping him and no team orders either, right lol? You obviously never saw Michael drive or you just have a very short memory. And he didn't have the best car when he came to Ferrari, far from it, and still he pulled off absolute miracle drives, like the one in Spain '96 in heavy rain and with a malfunctioning engine and still won and almost lapped everybody. You should really watch some races with Schumi and do a research into his career, and then you'll surely understand what kind of an amazing and superb driver he really was, complete master. But anyway, arguing about it is pointless, I'm just glad that such great drivers like Schumi and Alonso have driven for Ferrari and provided so many moments of excitement and happiness. For me, Schumi will always be the best driver of all-time, but if you think it's Alonso then fine, that's your opinion.

[Greig]

I have to agree with hogo, Alonso is the best Ferrari ever had. Schumi had the best car, Ross ,Todt and wing man Rubens at his command 24/7 and still lost to Alonso twice. Today Alonso with just the best car [ equal say to Merc] would be unbeatable without the team orders from todt and Ross that Schumi had in his favor. And we know for sure Kimi will never become Rubenized for Alonso to win. Alonso for sure is the best ever @ Ferrari. We just need " The Car ! "

I would not say 2005 was anything of a fight between MS and Alonso, so you could say he lost 1 time in 2006, but then you could say Alonso lost to MS a whole lot more....

[Alonsomaniac]

To me it is all very clear....

Schumacher is the most succesful driver of all times, Alonso matches him in talent and skills, both are among the best drivers but there is only one driver who made me shiver when he was racing and to me he still is the best I ever saw, Ayrton Senna.

[Brembo]

To me it is all very clear....

Schumacher is the most succesful driver of all times, Alonso matches him in talent and skills, both are among the best drivers but there is only one driver who made me shiver when he was racing and to me he still is the best I ever saw, Ayrton Senna.

I also think Ayrton was the best ever. I remember reading where Prost said " The worst nightmare in F1 is seeing that yellow helmet in his mirror ! "

[Majki2111]

Maybe you all are forgeting something. Maybe this F1 can't show talent of driver same as Senna's F1. I'm pretty sure Senna would not be dominant in this F1 and would not be always fastest and would also be beaten by team mate.

[Hornet]

Well we can never determine who's the best driver of all time. All we can know is which driver stands out among their generation. Senna, Schumi, and Alonso, these drivers were the best of their generation. Who's better than who, we'll never know as they come from different generation, the cars and competition were different.

[Brembo]

Maybe you all are forgeting something. Maybe this F1 can't show talent of driver same as Senna's F1. I'm pretty sure Senna would not be dominant in this F1 and would not be always fastest and would also be beaten by team mate.

When Senna drove he was not in a designated #1 spot with any team. So your right, Fi now is not the same. And Senna taking team orders would never happen. I'm pretty sure Senna would be the top driver today given a top car not a dog. And yes, Alonso would be the one to give him a run for the money.