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    Fernando Alonso: “I think that I can consider this to be my best race of the season, because finishing eighteen seconds off the Mercedes in a race without a Safety Car or any particular incidents, is a good result."
    What a depressing quote. :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by h3ro View Post
    What a depressing quote. :/
    Well, Alonso is aware of the situation we're in. Right now, what he and the team wants, is to see us improve. As unfortunate as it may seem to be, being happy with 18 sec behind, it is better than 40 or 60 secs in the past, and it shows we're able to close the gap to Merc. If we want to beat them next year, we need to catch up to them first.

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    I am amazed how you people can go on and on and on with pointless discussion about who is better... What is the point?!?
    Than again it is your choice, and this is free world with freedom and liberty of speech and thinking!

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    Alonso is the only non mercedes-powered pilot what has been scored the last eight races...

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    KR said in recent interview that for him, as long as they race for positions 5 to 12, it does not matter much in which order they finish. I tend to agree as they aim for something else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hornet View Post
    Well, Alonso is aware of the situation we're in. Right now, what he and the team wants, is to see us improve. As unfortunate as it may seem to be, being happy with 18 sec behind, it is better than 40 or 60 secs in the past, and it shows we're able to close the gap to Merc. If we want to beat them next year, we need to catch up to them first.
    What a realistic understanding about the situation. Well done. The point is we are progressing and closing the gap to Mercedes and chassis is good imo but i don't know why our front pull-rod suspension always annoys me!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hornet View Post
    Well, Alonso is aware of the situation we're in. Right now, what he and the team wants, is to see us improve. As unfortunate as it may seem to be, being happy with 18 sec behind, it is better than 40 or 60 secs in the past, and it shows we're able to close the gap to Merc. If we want to beat them next year, we need to catch up to them first.
    Let's wait for next race to take a conclusion about our progress
    Alonso himself said, that Austria is a different track, short only few corners ... etc. etc.
    so I wouldn't be to sure ... even with Alonso being happy on official Ferrari statement about "only" 18 sec. behind the winner.
    Silverstone could look different again.
    "If I was driving for Red Bull [from 2008] probably I would have more championships, but because they were dominating between 2010 and 2014 probably I would never have driven for Ferrari. I am very happy and very proud to drive for Ferrari, all my time there.

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    Check out @alo_oficial's Tweet: https://twitter.com/alo_oficial/stat...25619207340033
    Why difficult in silverstone??
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    Quote Originally Posted by PURE PASSION View Post
    Check out @alo_oficial's Tweet: https://twitter.com/alo_oficial/stat...25619207340033
    Why difficult in silverstone??
    because of fast and medium speed corners there?
    "If I was driving for Red Bull [from 2008] probably I would have more championships, but because they were dominating between 2010 and 2014 probably I would never have driven for Ferrari. I am very happy and very proud to drive for Ferrari, all my time there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Senna4Ever View Post
    because of fast and medium speed corners there?
    If anything Silverstone should suit our car even better than this Austrian track. Silverstone is very similar to the Chinese track, both are front-limited with fast sweeping corners and temperatures should be lower there as well. It's the rear-limited tracks with slow corners where our car struggles the most.

    I think Alonso is just being cautious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nero Horse View Post
    If anything Silverstone should suit our car even better than this Austrian track. Silverstone is very similar to the Chinese track, both are front-limited with fast sweeping corners and temperatures should be lower there as well. It's the rear-limited tracks with slow corners where our car struggles the most.

    I think Alonso is just being cautious.
    RBR will also be better at Silverstone, unless they have reliability issues
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greig View Post
    Kimi's strategy would be better if 1) he quals better 2) is ahead of Alonso 3)has better race pace.

    Simple enough, no strategy is ever going to overcome these 3 crucial points sorry to tell you.
    Spain GP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristof_F40 View Post
    RBR will also be better at Silverstone, unless they have reliability issues
    Unfortunately yes, Silverstone will definitely suit RB as well.....but hopefully it will suit our car better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter View Post
    Spain GP.
    See point 3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter View Post
    Spain GP.
    Speaking of Spanish GP, I think it would be good for you to read this article>>> http://pitlanetalk.wordpress.com/
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    Latest updates seem good. It is unrealistic to think Ferrari can just jump straight up to challenge Merc but as the year has gone on for the 1st time in many years the performance seems to be getting better on a gentle upwards curve. Today the track was the worst type like Bharain or Canada. This was an engine track hence Williams with same engine kept close to Merc as Mercs superior aero could not be used. See how many Merc engine cars came to the fore and RB were knowhere after being best of the rest for so long. Hopefully next race they can improve a bit again and although Merc will be too far infront if they can fight RedBull at Silverstone it would be a huge boost. Interesting Kimi on the radio when told needed a few more tenths a lap replied give me more power not give me more downforce.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter View Post
    Spain GP.
    Yes. Let's completely ignore the fact that ALO's is the smartest guy out there and he chose to go to a sub-optimal strategy (3 stop) to beat his teammate. He chose it mid-race. When was the last time you saw Kimi having the ability to adapt mid-race to strategy? Remember British GP 2013 when Kimi said that he thinks they made the wrong choice not to pit under the safety car? Do you think ALO wouldn't have pushed for a pit stop if he thought that's the way to go? "I'm all about the driving" is a cute slogan for poster but F1 is a thinking's man game and ALO show us week-in, week-out why.


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    Kimi was faster in 10 laps (out of 71) in the race. I think that's telling enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nero Horse View Post
    Speaking of Spanish GP, I think it would be good for you to read this article>>> http://pitlanetalk.wordpress.com/
    There was a good reason to try something like that in Austria. Alonso had enough cap to be protected from Kimis undercut and Kimi wouldn't have lost what, 4-5 places?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stefa View Post
    I am amazed how you people can go on and on and on with pointless discussion about who is better... What is the point?!?
    Than again it is your choice, and this is free world with freedom and liberty of speech and thinking!
    You and me both! On and on about who's to blame for the Massa Perez crash (was it Perez? I can't remember. That's how much I couldn't care less). On and on about Massa vs Kimi. On and on about Alonso vs Kimi. Gosh!
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    Sorry to say, but Kimi is just bad. Pitting in the same lap as Alonso, as some of you wish, would not change a thing. He was constantly slower then Alonso and pitting him lap earlier he would have ended down in the pack as well. He is just another Felipe - fast in a great car. I will never understand why we re-signed with him, when we already fired him once and did not take someone young and fresh - Bianchi. He would not be worse then Kimi. Maybe he would not be better either, but at least he would be learning from the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ntukza View Post
    You and me both! On and on about who's to blame for the Massa Perez crash (was it Perez? I can't remember. That's how much I couldn't care less). On and on about Massa vs Kimi. On and on about Alonso vs Kimi. Gosh!
    People talking about F1 on a F1 forum will never catch on.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyss4k View Post
    Sorry to say, but Kimi is just bad. Pitting in the same lap as Alonso, as some of you wish, would not change a thing. He was constantly slower then Alonso and pitting him lap earlier he would have ended down in the pack as well. He is just another Felipe - fast in a great car. I will never understand why we re-signed with him, when we already fired him once and did not take someone young and fresh - Bianchi. He would not be worse then Kimi. Maybe he would not be better either, but at least he would be learning from the best.
    Ferrari wanted an experienced and consistent driver who could bring a lot of points and help us in the WCC, unfortunately thus far Kimi just hasn't been able to deliver, for various reasons. But I think we should give him a bit more time, before making any final judgement. And I'm pretty sure that Bianchi will drive for us in the future anyway, it's only a matter of time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stefa View Post
    I am amazed how you people can go on and on and on with pointless discussion about who is better... What is the point?!?
    Than again it is your choice, and this is free world with freedom and liberty of speech and thinking!
    I don't get it either. Why would anyone discuss anything F1 race related in the Race Thread. Shocking.

    I vote for banning of any discussion regarding our car in the Development Thread. It just makes no sense to me.

    What's next? People discussing the Qualy session in Qualification Thread!?!? Imagine that !!!

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    People on here complaining about Raikkonen's poor performance... despite the fact that nearly every race this season his car has had problems. Today ferrari told him to slow down and cool his brakes.. ON LAP 2!!!

    In addition to that, again his ferrari power unit was losing power! Alonso has done well, but his ferrari has remained problem free nearly all season.

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    Alonso had problems this gp with the ers and cant deploy full power, plus, he was told to save fuel in the last stint.
    Alonso is having the same problems in the car. PU, brake by wire isues in almost every race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoda401 View Post
    People on here complaining about Raikkonen's poor performance... despite the fact that nearly every race this season his car has had problems. Today ferrari told him to slow down and cool his brakes.. ON LAP 2!!!

    In addition to that, again his ferrari power unit was losing power! Alonso has done well, but his ferrari has remained problem free nearly all season.
    This is absolutely incorrect. Alonso has simply driven around the issues that he has been facing on every GP, particularly PU-related ones. By the way, from his words todoay it would seem that not just the two Ferraris, but also other cars have PU issues on the first laps.

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    Kimi Raikkonen is defenitely NOT a bad driver! He never was.
    What we do is comparing every driver who gets in a Ferrari to Fernando Alonso. We did that with Felipe and now it's Kimi's turn.
    But is that fair to do?
    Almost everyone in F1 agrees that Fernando is the best driver out there and we Ferrarifans say the same. But at the same moment we expect the other Ferraridriver to be at the same level.
    I don't think Fernando is much faster (if any) in a perfect car than other drivers - like Kimi.
    Fernando's talent is that he is fast in ANY car, good or bad. He always is able to extract the max or even more frome a not so good car.
    Only very few drivers have that talent.
    Kimi Raikkonen is blindingly fast in a car that suits his style of driving. If the car does not answer to his likes, he has trouble adapting, like most drivers.
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    I see the driver comparisons coming up again..sheez, u guys just dont get it.
    Who cares? I mean..really..isnt it pointless?
    Heres an idea..give them both a car that is capable of winning..let em race...then lets see.
    Sitting here arguing about 18 seconds, or who scored what..tada tada...its all a wash, isnt it?
    See above...give them a car in which they can both duke it out..I havent seen such a car yet..
    And please dont tell me you have, because as far as Ferrari is concerned..you havent.

    I dont mean to sound kranky, I just miss Formula 1...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nova View Post
    I see the driver comparisons coming up again..sheez, u guys just dont get it.
    Who cares? I mean..really..isnt it pointless?
    Heres an idea..give them both a car that is capable of winning..let em race...then lets see.
    Sitting here arguing about 18 seconds, or who scored what..tada tada...its all a wash, isnt it?
    See above...give them a car in which they can both duke it out..I havent seen such a car yet..
    And please dont tell me you have, because as far as Ferrari is concerned..you havent.

    I dont mean to sound kranky, I just miss Formula 1...
    Two points you're missing here I think.

    First of all, both drivers are free to do the best they can. The car isn't perfect, but they have the same car and it's their duty to deliver the best result the car is capable of. Alonso is doing a much better job at delivering the points, and that's fine by me. Unfortunately, that isn't for some people, and they feel the need to lay the blame on the team. Hence we see these discussions.

    Secondly, many people wanted a change in Ferrari's second seat last year because the think it can improve the result. It has to be that, right, otherwise why would anyone want change for the worse. Well that did not happen. The change did occur, but the result remain the same. Now you could either admit we were wrong about it, or continue to be in denial and blame the team for screwing up the new driver. Unfortunately, some people chose the second, which is why we always come back to these discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alonso14 View Post
    I don't get it either. Why would anyone discuss anything F1 race related in the Race Thread. Shocking.

    I vote for banning of any discussion regarding our car in the Development Thread. It just makes no sense to me.

    What's next? People discussing the Qualy session in Qualification Thread!?!? Imagine that !!!
    I almost died laughing... You are so funny....

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