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    Alonso's all that

    July 2, 2014 (F1plus/Graham Keilloh).- You would be forgiven for suspecting sometimes that if there is a being that governs F1 fates, then it is one possessed with a wicked sense of humour. This is given the regularity with which it tramples all over some widespread expectations framed in advance, and with size 12 boots.

    Let us rewind back to the latter part of last year when some of the driver pairings for the sport's top rides were firmed up for the 2014 campaign. One was Daniel Ricciardo joining Sebastian Vettel at Red Bull, with Ricciardo expected by most to be only the most minor irritant to the world champion. Some thought he was hired precisely on that basis. Not so. If anything it is the Australian that has swatted Seb away as if he were a midge.

    As for Mercedes, many thought that Lewis Hamilton - feet now firmly under the Brackley table - would get a firm upper hand on Nico Rosberg, more so than he did in 2013 at any stretch. No - eight races in and Nico has a points lead in the drivers' standings amounting to more than a race win.

    And then there's Fernando Alonso having Kimi Raikkonen parachuting onto his Ferrari patch. Ah yes, that one.

    It may seem odd given what we know now, but when that face-off was confirmed many donned tin hats. Shrapnel was supposed to fly from the Maranello direction. Some rubbed their hands with apparent glee at it all.

    Alonso without his resolute number one service and/or a lackey team mate at the Scuderia (and Renault) would be exposed for what he was they said; a sort of F1 equivalent of the tide going out to reveal that you've been swimming without trunks.

    Furthermore Alonso being beaten would result in him going to pieces; spitting the dummy (whatever that means). Leaving the Kimster across the garage - who of course is possessed with a devil-may-care persona - with a free run. It would be 2007 revisited. The emperor would have no clothes.

    Well as things stand the Spaniard still stands resolute over his empire.

    In race results the match-up between him and his new team mate Raikkonen so far is a whitewash 8-0 to Alonso. In qualifying it's 6-2 (and in one of those two reverses Alonso had an engine problem in qualifying), him qualifying with an average advantage of 0.73secs.

    Currently he has 79 points to Kimi's 19 - which just so happens to be the largest points gap between any two team mates in the table, and by quite a distance (the next biggest gap is literally half the size, the 30 points between Nico Hulkenberg and Sergio Perez).

    The evidence that Raikkonen is edging closer over time is scant. Indeed in the last two rounds in Canada and Austria Alonso's looked if anything further away than ever.

    To be brutal. Kimi on current evidence barely seems an upgrade on the previous occupant of that seat, and you could argue that thus far he's been a downgrade. For what it's worth, after eight rounds of 2013 the points comparison between Alonso and his then-stable mate Felipe Massa was 96-49...

    Raikkonen can point to some bad luck, such as punctures sustained in Malaysia and Monaco, the latter depriving him of a probable third place (then again, if Alonso hadn't been boxed in at the start, if Alonso hadn't had an ERS problem that day, if the mid-race safety car that just about everyone pitted under hadn't removed the one reasonable chance of swapping places around the Principality's tight confines. If ifs and buts were candy and nuts we'd all have a Merry Christmas).

    But such instances have tilted the balance only slightly, and in the direction it was rather heavily tilted anyway.

    And for all of the talk of Maranello being Fernando's personal fiefdom, it can't be said either that Ferrari hasn't been proactive in helping Kimi find answers to his plight.

    As early as round one then-team principal Stefano Domenicali outlined that assisting Kimi to find his form was a priority. Now apparently Raikkonen has parts on his F14 T bespoke to him and his handling preferences (just to digress inspired by some devilment, imagine the resultant chat with an identical scenario but with Alonso and Raikkonen's names reversed...).

    His engineering strength has been reshuffled too.

    It may all be constructive, but it could equally be behaviour of people throwing things at a wall in the mere hope that something sticks. Technical Director James Allison too rather let at least some of the cat out of the bag by pointing out recently that the handling feedback of both Maranello pilots has been similar.

    Nigel Roebuck pointed out too on the matter of a driver bemoaning, or having it bemoaned on their behalf, that a car doesn't suit their driving style: "When was such a thing ever said of Senna or Schumacher or Alonso? A great driver surely adapts to what he is given, doesn't he?

    "These are very different times, I grant you, but spare a thought for Stirling Moss, who won at Monaco in a Maserati 250F and a Lotus 18."

    Whatever is the case pointing to apparent handling fussiness doesn't offer a way out. Not entirely anyway.

    Perhaps however the most fitting explanation also is about the most straightforward one, that what we're seeing at Ferrari in 2014 is in large part down to that Fernando Alonso is very good. Exceptionally good in fact. Without hyperbole one of the best that the sport has ever seen.

    Rob Smedley for one has concluded as much, as he indicated when discussing the pole position of his long-time charge Massa won in Austria: "Fernando is an incredible competitor; really one of the very best drivers of all time. So having Fernando Alonso as your team-mate is never easy, as Kimi's finding out now.

    "We all know that Kimi is an incredible driver. But Fernando just delivers and it's not just weekend in, weekend out; it's session in, session out."

    Perhaps in this most complicated of sports we miss that even herein the most fitting explanations can on occasion be disarmingly simple.

    It all shouldn't have been much of a surprise either.

    Let's not forget that Alonso has spent most of the past few years establishing himself to be, by consensus, the best and most complete competitor in contemporary F1.

    Many drivers, including Lewis Hamilton, rate him so, as do plenty of team principals. It's hard to imagine that this is simply the result of a confidence trick.

    Towards the end of last season Massa - in a unique position to judge - even described Alonso even as 'even more perfect' than the lauded Michael Schumacher. Of course, you could say that Massa would say that, given the general competitive order of things in his time paired with the Spaniard. But from watching the interview wherein he gave the tribute I didn't get the impression that he was indulging in desperate self-justification. His tone and demeanour instead were sober, reflective.

    As for those expectations of Alonso-Raikkonen fallout outlined above, to be brutal for a second time makes you wonder what the lingering 'Alonso's not all that' crowd actually have been watching on Sunday afternoons in recent years.

    Yet as we've seen it's possible to believe just about anything, and to keep believing it as well as to come up with supposed reasons supporting your view, if one is determined enough. And some find holding contrary views alluring.

    These days they have plenty of platforms to tell people what they're thinking too. As a friend once said to me, had the internet existed in 1957 there would likely have been people on it typing things to the effect of 'tell you what, that Fangio's over-rated. His making up 45 seconds on the Ferraris in 10 laps at the Nurburgring was down to superior equipment, clearly'.

    But hopefully the goings-on of the 2014 campaign thus far will have swayed even at least some of the lingering refuseniks. Whatever is the case, Fernando's precise contribution to the Ferrari effort in recent times, if it wasn't obvious already, surely has become so now.

    And that was the problem. Those with the advance expectations mentioned of the lay of Ferrari land in 2014 seemed to miss one thing from their calculations. A rather crucial part. They seemed to reckon without Fernando Alonso himself.

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    Thanks vcs316 for posting the article. I enjoyed reading it.

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    So much so, I am sorry for Fernando that all these past seasons Ferrari has given him mule after mule instead of horses...

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    The downside of this story: If Alonso is all that as the article says, then Ferrari's carproblem is even bigger then we all thought........
    You can run like the wind, but you'll never outrun the Prancing Horse

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    On the other hand, as an Alonsofan from way back, I have always said that the man is no magician. He is a great driver, but also just a human being, so what he extracts from the car must be in it.
    You can run like the wind, but you'll never outrun the Prancing Horse

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    Yes ALO is all that! Thanks nice read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alonsomaniac View Post
    The downside of this story: If Alonso is all that as the article says, then Ferrari's carproblem is even bigger then we all thought........

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    Quote Originally Posted by DIEK View Post
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    Ohh man!! How did he end up in a caterham?.... BORING!!!
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    Funny how many people were claiming last year that it was going to be an explosive battle in Ferrari, how Alonso would lose his cool and Ferrari would not be able to handle the situation.

    I hope they got a refund for their crystal ball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hornet View Post

    I hope they got a refund for their crystal ball.
    So should the people who said getting rid of Massa and Stefano would solve the problems.


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    Still to early to tell with Stefano, but I think Felipe could have mustered at least 19 points so far this year...
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    Quote Originally Posted by REDARMYSOJA View Post
    So should the people who said getting rid of Massa and Stefano would solve the problems.
    Time will tell, im sure getting rid of both was good for Ferrari, hiring Kimi not so good..
    Go Ferrari, beat them all!

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    Quote Originally Posted by REDARMYSOJA View Post
    So should the people who said getting rid of Massa and Stefano would solve the problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aberracus View Post
    Time will tell, im sure getting rid of both was good for Ferrari, hiring Kimi not so good..
    Indeed, time will tell, but I think that only way to gather more points this year would have been cloning Fernando. The car is that weak. I'm hoping that the latter part of the championship sees the resurgence of Kimi to make sure we beat RBR in the WCC battle.

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    Alonso is better than Kimi, hands down. The Ferrari cars are as bad as we've thought, which is very bad. No surprises here.
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    I acknowledge he is the best out there and that he is a Ferrari great but I can't help but feel Fernando won't be with Ferrari for much longer. I hope I am wrong but I now see the wisdom of not having too much of an emotional investment in drivers, as was Commendatore Ferrari's mindset.

    Again--for the Fernandisti--I sincerely hope I am wrong.

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    Don't worry, Fernando will stay. He likes us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alonsomaniac View Post
    Don't worry, Fernando will stay. He likes us.
    I really hope so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alonsomaniac View Post
    The downside of this story: If Alonso is all that as the article says, then Ferrari's carproblem is even bigger then we all thought........
    that is the sad truth...
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    Quote Originally Posted by killer View Post
    I acknowledge he is the best out there and that he is a Ferrari great but I can't help but feel Fernando won't be with Ferrari for much longer. I hope I am wrong but I now see the wisdom of not having too much of an emotional investment in drivers, as was Commendatore Ferrari's mindset.

    Again--for the Fernandisti--I sincerely hope I am wrong.
    Fernando said it himself TIME AND TIME AGAIN, that he will not leave Ferrari and that he wants his F1 career to end in RED

    his all time GOAL is to be among the GREATS, and by that he means Ayrton Senna, so his ultimate goal would be to WIN his THIRD time WDC with NONE other then FERRARI!!!

    so people, relax take a deep breath, because the BEST driver on the grid will be with us for at least another TWO seasons....and who knows, if Ferrari keep doing good work and give him a good car year over year, then maybe EVEN LONGER...
    So 2023 started off bad, but managed to claw back some lap time come end of the year. Lets hope SF24 will give us tifosi something to smile about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FerrariF60 View Post
    Fernando said it himself TIME AND TIME AGAIN, that he will not leave Ferrari and that he wants his F1 career to end in RED

    his all time GOAL is to be among the GREATS, and by that he means Ayrton Senna, so his ultimate goal would be to WIN his THIRD time WDC with NONE other then FERRARI!!!

    so people, relax take a deep breath, because the BEST driver on the grid will be with us for at least another TWO seasons....and who knows, if Ferrari keep doing good work and give him a good car year over year, then maybe EVEN LONGER...
    Senna never won a title with Ferrari.

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    Quote Originally Posted by killer View Post
    Senna never won a title with Ferrari.

    I'm relaxed. All is good.
    i know he DIDN'T, i guess what i'm trying to get at is, that he wants to have THREE WDC's just like one of the GREATS, which is Senna...

    he just wants to MATCH Senna's records, that's all...and what better way to do that then with the team he LOVES and wants to retire from, FERRARI....
    So 2023 started off bad, but managed to claw back some lap time come end of the year. Lets hope SF24 will give us tifosi something to smile about.

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    I just want to add after yesterdays performance that the entire sentence should be used when referring to Alonso, "Alonso is all that AND a bag of chips".


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    Quote Originally Posted by REDARMYSOJA View Post
    I just want to add after yesterdays performance that the entire sentence should be used when referring to Alonso, "Alonso is all that AND a bag of chips".

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    He was absolutely superb yesterday. I may not have much affection for him - but I can happily admit that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by FerrariF60 View Post
    i know he DIDN'T, i guess what i'm trying to get at is, that he wants to have THREE WDC's just like one of the GREATS, which is Senna...

    he just wants to MATCH Senna's records, that's all...and what better way to do that then with the team he LOVES and wants to retire from, FERRARI....
    Like you, I am HOPEFUL he wants to get his THIRD WDC with FERRARI.

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    Actually, he reminded me why he became my all-time favourite back in his champ years. (Yeah, I just "followed" him to Scuderia, but I came to really like the team too. I want them to be succesful together.)
    His relentless attacking, defending, aggressive as hell, but still safe. He often gets into this "mode" when for some reason he starts from the back. So I kinda' expected a spirited drive from him - what I didn't, was that he's gonna' be able to pass Merc engined cars relatively easily. Okay, he had to set up the passes by skillfully choosing his lines in corners to allow better acceleration out of them, but still, it may be a good sign.
    (Actually as I'm thinking now, maybe it was just The Hulk he passed (from the Merc engines)... Or did he pass Magnussen on track too? Can't quite remember - he had so many battles! :))

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