German GP 2014 Race thread

[FerrariF60]

Fernando - better than expected
Kimi - as expected.

let me fix that for ya....

kimi - well beyond mediocre...

let's replace him quickly next year with either DR, NH, or VB

[DIEK]

Bad driving from Fernando in the RIC battle

[F1Jan]

Well done Nando

[F1Jan]

Thanks for your comments again folks see you next time. I value all your contributions as it makes the race so much more interesting. Take care and see you all again soon.

[stefa]

let me fix that for ya....

kimi - well beyond mediocre...

let's replace him quickly next year with either DR, NH, or VB

I am for it!

[FerrariF60]

Great effort by Ferrari and Alonso. Glad we're able to take one of the Red Bulls at the least.

Shame about Massa's race, ruined again by no fault of his own

great effort by FERNANDO, and not ferrari...the ferrari car is trully nowhere this year as we can see how teh KIMI is doing....that is the really true speed of our car

and we only got to stay in front of the OTHER red bull by the skin of my teeth....that red bull is FAST, VERY FAST....if tehy had a mercedes engine underneeth that car they prolly would have been fastest car this season....the AERO ON THAT RED BULL CAR IS AMAZING

[R Ginart]

Disastrous, disappointing and devastating another fabulous fifth place finish. Its official Ferrari has joined the mid-field pack. Best quote of the race Vettel: “do you want me to waddled around here like a duck?” when told to SAVE fuel. How low can this sport get now? Don’t race, save fuel!

[wacc]

Fernando fans can say what they want, I agree he drove a great race, but he underestimate that first and second RIC overtake. Just watch that again. He did not think of defending.
In the end, he would not overtake Vettel anyway, so the lost time did not matter.

[stefa]

Disastrous, disappointing and devastating another fabulous fifth place finish. Its official Ferrari has joined the mid-field pack. Best quote of the race Vettel: “do you want me to waddled around here like a duck?” when told to SAVE fuel. How low can this sport get now? Don’t race, save fuel!

You said it mate, you said it....

[bondilad]

Thanks to alonso we are still scoring points. Could have been p4.

[ManFromMilan]

Fernando fans can say what they want, I agree he drove a great race, but he underestimate that first and second RIC overtake. Just watch that again. He did not think of defending.
In the end, he would not overtake Vettel anyway, so the lost time did not matter.

Well considering the car he has under him that was massively well done by him.

[Alonso14]

Kimi has reached the point where he can be replaced by literally anyone. It shouldn't be too hard to find a guy who doesn't score points and finishes 25-40 seconds behind his teammate

[Hornet]

Grats to Rosberg for his Germany win

Saw some comment about Alonso pitting late, I think we had to as we saw towards the end, Riccardo was attacking Alonso again. Had Alonso took that super soft a few laps earlier, Ric would have had him. On the flip side, soft (and pit earlier) may not have been enough to pass Ric, so I think this was still the best decision, wait out for the super soft window.

[Alessandra]

Entertaining race, but……irritating Alonso fans of the world – rejoice!!!

He did again

[FerrariF60]

Kimi has reached the point where he can be replaced by literally anyone. It shouldn't be too hard to find a guy who doesn't score points and finishes 25-40 seconds behind his teammate

LOL, i could not have said it any better...

[NickEice]

Fernando fans can say what they want, I agree he drove a great race, but he underestimate that first and second RIC overtake. Just watch that again. He did not think of defending.
In the end, he would not overtake Vettel anyway, so the lost time did not matter.

The F14 T does not posses the rear traction to properly do that

[LivingHitokiri]

Kimi has reached the point where he can be replaced by literally anyone. It shouldn't be too hard to find a guy who doesn't score points and finishes 25-40 seconds behind his teammate

Yes,apparently starting 12 vs 7th and getting hit twice during the race are clearly irrelevant factors to that...
Last time we had this discussion about replaceable Kimi during 2009 when Fisichela came to us after the marvelous 2nd place from Spa GP .
Well all know how that ended,with him barely getting 15th place during races.

[Stormy]

The F14 T does not posses the rear traction to properly do that

Well, because its Ferrari, you never know.

Btw what a duel between Nando and Ricciardo, great perfromance by both of them, Nando maybe underestimated Ricciardo but in the end the better driver won :)
Good job by Nando.
Kimi with another crappy race, he gotta improve or leave F1, its been enough.

[Aberracus]

We need to exchange finish guys, Bottas x Kimi

Anyone would be better than Kime the slow one.

[R Ginart]

LOL, i could not have said it any better...

FerrariF60,
I appreciate your optimism but Ferrari has not shown any evidence of producing a winning car in the past five years, what gives you hope that 2015 will be any different?

[sachin]

LOL, i could not have said it any better...

Well people bashing Kimi ,but what about the team, the designers?(When on earth will they build a proper car?)
If u take Alonso out of the equation (he is super human)
and you put anyone in our car which slips and slides almost out of every corner i am sure neither DR,VB,NH may prove any better than Kimi (At max a few points more)
My point is we better build a good car and then bash the drivers if they didn't perform.

[wacc]

The F14 T does not posses the rear traction to properly do that

He was on newer and softer (faster) tyre. He just did not expect Ricciardo to do counterattacks so he did not defend enough.
Anyway beside that he had great race and finished better than what was to expect.

[FA fan]

Grats to Rosberg for his Germany win

Saw some comment about Alonso pitting late, I think we had to as we saw towards the end, Riccardo was attacking Alonso again. Had Alonso took that super soft a few laps earlier, Ric would have had him. On the flip side, soft (and pit earlier) may not have been enough to pass Ric, so I think this was still the best decision, wait out for the super soft window.

Well I don't agree,Alonso was racing vettel,when u pit u have to always cover the guy your racing!

[ManFromMilan]

He was on newer and softer (faster) tyre. He just did not expect Ricciardo to do counterattacks so he did not defend enough.

No, his car even on newer fresher softer tyres was barely a match for the RB of Ricciardo out of the corners. He could have been a tool and crashed into him, but luckily Alonso is not a tool.

Gave him enough space and respect and still manage to finished in front of him. Great job Fernando....great job.

[Kingdom Hearts]

Very good job by both drivers, Fernando is just Fernando, he is always awesome, 83% of the team points, sweet jesus. Kimi also very good, for a driver already in summer vacation, that's an impressive performance, I hope he enjoys the caipirinha.

[NickEice]

The anti Alonso pro Kimi butthurt is amazing.

10-0 Alonso. He clinched the teammate battle behind summer break. Pathetic.

[Rishu]

Those who are saying Alonso was called in late for the final pit stop, I think team did call him just at the right time. The way he was struggling on his final laps of SS, he would have been eaten alive even by Button had he pitted 2-3 laps earlier. Hats off to the team & Alonso

[Alonso14]

Yes,apparently starting 12 vs 7th and getting hit twice during the race are clearly irrelevant factors to that...
Last time we had this discussion about replaceable Kimi during 2009 when Fisichela came to us after the marvelous 2nd place from Spa GP .
Well all know how that ended,with him barely getting 15th place during races.

And whose fault do you propose it is that he's starting 12th? And 9-0 in races speaks volume. Yes, yes you can bring up races like Monaco and possibly Malaysia (although he was behind) but Kimi has never outpaced Alonso so far, in 9 races. The majority of the races he finishes 20s+ behind and has what? 1/5 of Fernando's point?

And I was just joking. Replacing Kimi now makes as much sense as to pull all my money a non-Mercedes driver to win the WDC. The biggest problem is obviously with the engineers but we cannot ignore how incredibly poor Kimi has been. Just like Massa - if Fernando is driving his heart out (is that an expression) and is getting 5th or 6th obviously the car is not up to scratch. But when Felipe is finishing 11th or 12th in the same car it is quite obvious that he's not close enough to his teammate. Simple really.

[Alonso14]

Yes,apparently starting 12 vs 7th and getting hit twice during the race are clearly irrelevant factors to that...
Last time we had this discussion about replaceable Kimi during 2009 when Fisichela came to us after the marvelous 2nd place from Spa GP .
Well all know how that ended,with him barely getting 15th place during races.

And whose fault do you propose it is that he's starting 12th? And 9-0 in races speaks volume. Yes, yes you can bring up races like Monaco and possibly Malaysia (although he was behind) but Kimi has never outpaced Alonso so far, in 9 races. The majority of the races he finishes 20s+ behind and has what? 1/5 of Fernando's point?

And I was just joking. Replacing Kimi now makes as much sense as to pull all my money a non-Mercedes driver to win the WDC. The biggest problem is obviously with the engineers but we cannot ignore how incredibly poor Kimi has been. Just like Massa - if Fernando is driving his heart out (is that an expression) and is getting 5th or 6th obviously the car is not up to scratch. But when Felipe is finishing 11th or 12th in the same car it is quite obvious that he's not close enough to his teammate. Simple really.

[FerrariF60]

Well I don't agree,Alonso was racing vettel,when u pit u have to always cover the guy your racing!

ferrari did NOT have the pace to challange the Red Fools today...it was only Fernando's SUPER human abilities that is masking the true DONKEY performance of teh F14T look good, when in reality the Ferrari is nowhere this year

as we've seen that he only fended off Ricciardo in the end by the "skin of my teeth"