Felipe 40 & Raikkonen 39

[scuderia_nano]

We fired Felipe. Basically we let him go last year. We got in Kimi Raikkonen. AFTter almost 75% of the season over. We have Kimi at Felipe both separated by 1 point.

So, was letting Felipe go a good move?

Pro: Massa is struggling against a kid. That kid has scored 100 points and a few podiums.

Con: We are paying Kimi more. Kimi is yet to outscore Felipe or match Alonso.

Any thoughts?

[FFFerrari]

Any thoughts?

The horse is already dead, Jim. Stop beating it.

[Ed Harley]

You should see beyond the points.

[Brembo]

Kimi is great . The car, if it gets better as it seems it did last race , Kimi will be scoring points every race , even podiums IMO. Massa, one of my favorite drivers, is plagued with bad luck, so it seems. The pieces of tire off of Lewis' car last race found Massa and stuck to the floor of his car!! No one else! I believe Kimi's car will put him up front where he belongs. In Massas case he needs "Divine Intervention", to stop his streak of bad luck. He's due for a change.

[Lesky]

You should see beyond the points.

In what way? Please explain in detail, thank you!

[Greig]

No point comparing Massa with Kimi as they are in different cars.

But clearly Kimi is doing no better against Alonso than Massa was. Some fans on here seemed to think Alonso was not all that good but now they are maybe realising they were wrong.

[Rob]

No point comparing Massa with Kimi as they are in different cars.

But clearly Kimi is doing no better against Alonso than Massa was. Some fans on here seemed to think Alonso was not all that good but now they are maybe realising they were wrong.

[Rob]

We fired Felipe. Basically we let him go last year. We got in Kimi Raikkonen. AFTter almost 75% of the season over. We have Kimi at Felipe both separated by 1 point.

So, was letting Felipe go a good move?

Pro: Massa is struggling against a kid. That kid has scored 100 points and a few podiums.

Con: We are paying Kimi more. Kimi is yet to outscore Felipe or match Alonso.

Any thoughts?

The only things im going to say, is, Kimi struggling with this years tyres, and the car. The front end is not pointy enough for him. When can sort it, or with next years car be better for him and he be back to what we know he can do.

[stefa]

Any thoughts?

The horse is already dead, Jim. Stop beating it.

[AfterLife]

What is interesting for me, Unlike some people that says Kimi Raikkonen doesn't mind politic and has a very simple personality "So called Classic Kimi" and blah blah blah ... I believe Kimi Raikkonen actually is good at those things and use mind games regularly.
From the beginning of the season when Fernando Alonso regularly beat Kimi Raikkonen he has made excuses despite James Allison said both the drivers have the same technical complaint about the car.
Now because of 5 seconds penalty for Fernando Alonso, for once Kimi Raikkonen could finish higher than Fernando Alonso, Kimi Raikkonen says "Clean race is all i needed", So where is Kimi Raikkonen's driving style problems?
Part of crashes in race is down to driver himself to avoid them and in terms of technical issues both of them have some sort of reliability problems.
and his recent statement about his race engineer that he is inexperienced is the new one. The same So called classic Kimi Raikkonen that said "Leave me alone i know what i'm doing"
Felippe Massa didn't have that sort of excuses.

[Suzie]

Well, I'd rather Felipe had stayed at Ferrari and they'd made a rocketship this year, but what happened, happened. I'm stuck with my favourite driver not being at my favourite team, and you guys are... stuck with Kimi

[F2008]

So, was letting Felipe go a good move?

I was disappointed when it happened but now it seems a good move, for Felipe himself.

[Senna4Ever]

No point comparing Massa with Kimi as they are in different cars.

But clearly Kimi is doing no better against Alonso than Massa was. Some fans on here seemed to think Alonso was not all that good but now they are maybe realising they were wrong.

What is interesting for me, Unlike some people that says Kimi Raikkonen doesn't mind politic and has a very simple personality "So called Classic Kimi" and blah blah blah ... I believe Kimi Raikkonen actually is good at those things and use mind games regularly.
From the beginning of the season when Fernando Alonso regularly beat Kimi Raikkonen he has made excuses despite James Allison said both the drivers have the same technical complaint about the car.
Now because of 5 seconds penalty for Fernando Alonso, for once Kimi Raikkonen could finish higher than Fernando Alonso, Kimi Raikkonen says "Clean race is all i needed", So where is Kimi Raikkonen's driving style problems?
Part of crashes in race is down to driver himself to avoid them and in terms of technical issues both of them have some sort of reliability problems.
and his recent statement about his race engineer that he is inexperienced is the new one. The same So called classic Kimi Raikkonen that said "Leave me alone i know what i'm doing"
Felippe Massa didn't have that sort of excuses.

[racingbradley]

I too find it hard that while I support team Ferrari I do not have a favourite driver there.
Felipe has taken his run of bad luck with him.
The question is was it a good move to let Felipe go. Yes for him it was
For Ferrari it just shows that the car is the problem. Felipe or Kimi could come up with the goods if the car was right!
As for Alonso he is doing a good job but we need to remember that the car and team are built around him.
It was easier for Massa to drive the car as he and Alonso have similar driving styles.
Maybe next year Ferrari will get everything right!!!!!

[Ed Harley]

In what way? Please explain in detail, thank you!

It's not about this season - have not been for a long time - but bringing the team back to the light.

[Ed Harley]

What is interesting for me, Unlike some people that says Kimi Raikkonen doesn't mind politic and has a very simple personality "So called Classic Kimi" and blah blah blah ... I believe Kimi Raikkonen actually is good at those things and use mind games regularly.
From the beginning of the season when Fernando Alonso regularly beat Kimi Raikkonen he has made excuses despite James Allison said both the drivers have the same technical complaint about the car.
Now because of 5 seconds penalty for Fernando Alonso, for once Kimi Raikkonen could finish higher than Fernando Alonso, Kimi Raikkonen says "Clean race is all i needed", So where is Kimi Raikkonen's driving style problems?
Part of crashes in race is down to driver himself to avoid them and in terms of technical issues both of them have some sort of reliability problems.
and his recent statement about his race engineer that he is inexperienced is the new one. The same So called classic Kimi Raikkonen that said "Leave me alone i know what i'm doing"
Felippe Massa didn't have that sort of excuses.

Mr Räikkönen is indeed very famous of saying things he does not mean. Or was it the other way around?

Here I was glad about his race outcome and thought it was down to the team improving the car and very little if any problems. Had I known it all was down to the 5 second penalty the other driver got I would have not been so happy prematurely.

Your comment about Mr Räikkönen/Mr Spagnolo is something I fail to understand. Mr Spagnolo was appointed/promoted as race engineer from his previous position as chassis engineer. There were understandably some problems early in the season and David Lloyd was positioned between them to take care of communication and to make Mr Spagnolo's work easier. In recent interview Mr Räikkönen defended Mr Spagnolo by telling how he has grown with the challenge.

[Lesky]

Kimi requested to work with Stella since he had worked with him previously, but this request were denied by Ferrari.

[enjaybel3]

What's wrong with me, I like Felipe and Kimi and what's more I think they are both great drivers.

[Rob]

Kimi requested to work with Stella since he had worked with him previously, but this request were denied by Ferrari.

yes, because he is Fernandos now. And they have a good working bond.

[Winter]

Kimi requested to work with Stella since he had worked with him previously, but this request were denied by Ferrari.

Mark Slade would've been his nr.1 choice, but he didn't want to leave UK.

[wisepie]

Well, I'd rather Felipe had stayed at Ferrari and they'd made a rocketship this year, but what happened, happened. I'm stuck with my favourite driver not being at my favourite team, and you guys are... stuck with Kimi

+ 1 and 100% agree Suzie, we'll never convince some people that Felipe was the real deal, even after his accident, so we'll have to agree to disagree and our loyalty is probably stronger than anyone's. The points tally with BOT doesn't tell the whole story, but credit to him anyway, as for Kimi, it's no excuse saying the car doesn't suit him, I want him to perform like Fernando but I still think he's no better than Felipe.

[ALO]

Too late now but when we get RIC I think we will have a teamate that will keep up with ALO. That kid is good

[Brembo]

Too late now but when we get RIC I think we will have a teamate that will keep up with ALO. That kid is good

If KImi and Ric switched cars today Kimi would be winning races and Ric would be, well, lets say in the same shape as Kimi or worse at Ferrari. IMO. Massa also would be as is Kimi if still at Ferrari, in the present car or worse due to plain bad luck following him everywhere. Kimi in Massa's Williams on the other hand would be IMO ahead of Bottas.

[ARUN M KARUNAN]

don't compare massa and kimi.they are both talents.even massa has no wcc.he missed it in the last corner of last lap in the last race.after accident he came back,were we all thought massa career is over

[Kingdom Hearts]

If KImi and Ric switched cars today Kimi would be winning races

He will be winning like Vettel.... lol. Kimi at RB could be the same thing, unable to adapt, with better results because the car is better but far from winning a race, specially when he is a weak driver in qualy.

[Brembo]

He will be winning like Vettel.... lol. Kimi at RB could be the same thing, unable to adapt, with better results because the car is better but far from winning a race, specially when he is a weak driver in qualy.

I believe your right about better car better results. With Vettel's 04 rocket no longer in service your right again, his qualy days are over. Ric is doing great whitout qualy. results. Kimi's qualy weakness you mention prob. would be cured in a hurry if in Ric's car. I believe qualy results are 95% the car. How else could Nico be better than Alonso at anything short of on track team terrorism? You might be under estimating Ferrari's opinion of Kimi being a great driver and getting him back. I guess it's always back to square 1, weak car weak results, qualy. or races.

[Kingdom Hearts]

I guess it's always back to square 1, weak car weak results, qualy. or races.

Fernando, weak car, good results.

[Katu]

Kimi requested to work with Stella since he had worked with him previously, but this request were denied by Ferrari.

should Kimi get everything he requests? irc Fernando requested Smedley and got Stella instead

[Ed Harley]

Shame on Mr Räikkönen to ask for a race engineer he worked with in the past.

[dpiatto]

I doubt Massa would have got anymore out of this years car than Kimi has.
To be just 1 point ahead in a superior Merc powered car says it would have been even worse for him had he stayed with Ferrari.
I feel for Felipe as he seems to have took the bad luck from Ferrari across to Williams as he should be up there fighting with Danny Ricciardo & not down with Kimi.