Ferrari appoint Maurizio Arrivabene as new Team Principal

[SinanOzerS]

Well, a 4-time WDC just recently did...the lure of Ferrari is always there, even when the team is in a slump.

[Julius]

To see it in this state breaks my heart.

Yes everybody is passionate etc. but just keep calm for now. Mattiacci was ousted because he didn't get along with bernie. I also understood that he didn't enjoy the exposure, which is something that can be difficult to estimate beforehand.

In any case, regarding the PU situation, ferrari needs someone who can get support from bernie, either for relaxing the freeze for next year or in the long term. Arrivabene is better positioned to do that. Mattiaccis contribution at this hour was minimal anyway, there was still a window to make changes. Technically all is up to Allison & comp. either way regarding next year.

"Why Ferrari F1 team dropped Marco Mattiacci for Maurizio Arrivabene"

http://www.autosport.com/news/report...933.1408920447

ps. saw the photo. This precisely.

[Nero Horse]

"Why Ferrari F1 team dropped Marco Mattiacci for Maurizio Arrivabene"

http://www.autosport.com/news/report...933.1408920447

Thanks for the link to that story. I can understand now why Marchionne wants Arrivabene to be the TP. Arrivabene's influence and connections in the F1 world could definitely help Ferrari in many ways.

[Hornet]

Yes everybody is passionate etc. but just keep calm for now. Mattiacci was ousted because he didn't get along with bernie. I also understood that he didn't enjoy the exposure, which is something that can be difficult to estimate beforehand.

In any case, regarding the PU situation, ferrari needs someone who can get support from bernie, either for relaxing the freeze for next year or in the long term. Arrivabene is better positioned to do that. Mattiaccis contribution at this hour was minimal anyway, there was still a window to make changes. Technically all is up to Allison & comp. either way regarding next year.

"Why Ferrari F1 team dropped Marco Mattiacci for Maurizio Arrivabene"

http://www.autosport.com/news/report...933.1408920447

ps. saw the photo. This precisely.

I'm not sure if Bernie E has any power outside of commercial matters. He never wanted the new engine, but it was the threat by track promoters who managed to halt the 4 cylinder plan, and even then we still get V6 which Bernie didn't like either. So it seems to me that Bernie doesn't have much say on the technical side of the sport.

[S1000RR]

I've read the following rumour of a well informed Ferrari fan: Allison might be next to be replaced.

I sure hope not, the man hardly got the time to develop the F14T and we havn't seen the "666" yet.

Ferrari management wants to go all-in for Brawn/Newey

[MAD_Junior]

What a mess, thank god Vettel will fix everything.

[MAD_Junior]

I think this episode, perhaps above all others, does not bode well for the near term future of the team. We obviously are in disarray. We have not been able to field a competitive car at the beginning of the season in years. and our in-season development has been worse than that of the teams around us. And upper management is acting like this is the wedding massacre episode of "Game of Thrones". What top F1 talent, in their right mind, would come anywhere near Maranello at this point?

[Nero Horse]

I think this episode, perhaps above all others, does not bode well for the near term future of the team. We obviously are in disarray. We have not been able to field a competitive car at the beginning of the season in years. and our in-season development has been worse than that of the teams around us. And upper management is acting like this is the wedding massacre episode of "Game of Thrones". What top F1 talent, in their right mind, would come anywhere near Maranello at this point?

We did have a competitive car at the beginning of 2013 season. And Ferrari has never had any trouble with getting top F1 talent to join, even during the dark times. Just look back at the 90's when Todt and Schumacher joined, last year James Allison joined us and now we have a 4-time WDC joining us and another WDC already in the other car, so I think getting top talent to come to Maranello really hasn't been a problem.

[eddie]

I think this episode, perhaps above all others, does not bode well for the near term future of the team. We obviously are in disarray. We have not been able to field a competitive car at the beginning of the season in years. and our in-season development has been worse than that of the teams around us. And upper management is acting like this is the wedding massacre episode of "Game of Thrones". What top F1 talent, in their right mind, would come anywhere near Maranello at this point?

Although many wouldn't agree with us on the statement of top talents. Its real. In reality this is how it goes around.

No successful or seemingly successful person will jump into a crumbling house of fire.

I had the same experience in life and the mechanics applies in the same manner.

I was leading a multi-national corp (fortune 500) as regional director (SVP), the competitors offered me a very good package and I was tempted.

Couldn't sleep, couldn't resist...

I did some back ground checks and found out they were restructuring, the seat was hot. I will be replaced in months if I fail.

Thought it thru, deep and thorough... I am glad I didn't bite the bait, would have been one dead fish if I did.

Henceforth, the notion on Vettel.

Yes we got Vettel now. But would we have gotten Vettel if he was still in contention of a world title.

Vettel's stocks were failing, falling fast. He wouldn't allow his team mate to beat him 2 consecutive years in a row.

Calculated risk if you ask me and bad for business if he stayed at RBR. The booing will increase....

So he joined Ferrari willingly. Not the other way around.

Back in the days of Todt, Brawn and MS, thing were a lot different. Ferrari was a lot louder in the world of racing.

Having said that I will still take a bullet for the team and go all the way with Ferrari.

I just hope they find a solution to this downward spiral effect which is affecting motivation, human resources and lack of technical well being.

[Alonso14]

We did have a competitive car at the beginning of 2013 season. And Ferrari has never had any trouble with getting top F1 talent to join, even during the dark times. Just look back at the 90's when Todt and Schumacher joined, last year James Allison joined us and now we have a 4-time WDC joining us and another WDC already in the other car, so I think getting top talent to come to Maranello really hasn't been a problem.

Don't get me wrong now, I agree with your general point (that we have never had a problem acquired top talent) but your examples are not really good.
Allison: he was working for a cash-strapped Lotus. Things were so bad that Lotus were willing to free him from his gardening leave and to join us immediately for some extra cash. Lotus was a dead end, despite the fact that they had a top car everyone knew things were falling apart there (Kimi and his unpaid salary/bonuses)

Vettel: Why Vettel did not express interest to join us in 2010? 2011? 2012? 2013? Because he was winning and he was the top dog in Red Bull. In 2014, Red Bull are not title contenders (well, no one but Merc was but whatever) and Ricciardo was dominating him. Despite being a 4-time WDC this is the lowest Vettel has been. Exposed like Jacques Villnueve, champion because of a huge car advantage. Ricciardo may well be the greatest talent ever in F1 but a year ago Vettel was contender for "Greatest of all time" and he just got destroyed. Seb was looking for a way as his teammate was dominating him. If we snatched Hamilton for Mercedes, now that would have been an appropriate example. Seb - not so much.

[eddie]

Don't get me wrong now, I agree with your general point (that we have never had a problem acquired top talent) but your examples are not really good.
Allison: he was working for a cash-strapped Lotus. Things were so bad that Lotus were willing to free him from his gardening leave and to join us immediately for some extra cash. Lotus was a dead end, despite the fact that they had a top car everyone knew things were falling apart there (Kimi and his unpaid salary/bonuses)

Vettel: Why Vettel did not express interest to join us in 2010? 2011? 2012? 2013? Because he was winning and he was the top dog in Red Bull. In 2014, Red Bull are not title contenders (well, no one but Merc was but whatever) and Ricciardo was dominating him. Despite being a 4-time WDC this is the lowest Vettel has been. Exposed like Jacques Villnueve, champion because of a huge car advantage. Ricciardo may well be the greatest talent ever in F1 but a year ago Vettel was contender for "Greatest of all time" and he just got destroyed. Seb was looking for a way as his teammate was dominating him. If we snatched Hamilton for Mercedes, now that would have been an appropriate example. Seb - not so much.

Spoken and written with wisdom. You must be someone great in real life. I can see it thru your writing

The simple analogy of going for something better is in all our state of mental. No one will want to bail when things are going well.

Its during the desperate times when 2nd options are taken.

I still say with my lack of experience, Ferrari to stabilize and there will be a queue of top talents wanting to join.

Forget about baiting Newey or begging for Brawn, we are Ferrari.

If we get our act together, it will be theirs to loose if don't come to the RED party.

[stefa]

Spoken and written with wisdom. You must be someone great in real life. I can see it thru your writing

The simple analogy of going for something better is in all our state of mental. No one will want to bail when things are going well.

Its during the desperate times when 2nd options are taken.

I still say with my lack of experience, Ferrari to stabilize and there will be a queue of top talents wanting to join.

Forget about baiting Newey or begging for Brawn, we are Ferrari.

If we get our act together, it will be theirs to loose if don't come to the RED party.

I couldn't agree more with you. But there is that IF you are mentioning in your last sentence....

[Greig]

Forget about baiting Newey or begging for Brawn, we are Ferrari.

If we get our act together, it will be theirs to loose if don't come to the RED party.

So we just stick with the same people who are good enough for the sake of stability?

We are already able to attract top talents right now. I am not sure why you seem to think nobody wants to join us?

[eddie]

So we just stick with the same people who are good enough for the sake of stability?

We are already able to attract top talents right now. I am not sure why you seem to think nobody wants to join us?

These are my views, could be wrong. Just my humble 2 cents worth

Don't let LdM go so quickly till he finds someone to fill his shoes. Someone that will pick up from where he left off. No voids. No gaps. Certainty = Stability

If he cannot find a protégé, we groom one for him. With SM's resources, this could be easily achieved I believe.

Instead of putting MM in the limelight for a very short period we should have gotten in a real interim. If he was meant to warm the seat, announce it that way.

Good for him (his career and etc) and good for us as well; As we will be seen making a strategic move. Staff chatters at corridors be avoided. More time for them to produce and less to worry about the Company and team.

Get in a guy that can bring the team to the next racing level. Just like in the days of Todt, Brawn and Michael. We already have a Michael (Alonso) so 1/3 done.

Hire a technical / racing TP and restructure. I will probably even give the TP job to Paddy Lowe and destroy Mercedes.

Then again, I don't have a say @ Ferrari. But if it was my decision, I would try and make it that way.

When we move top brass in and out too quickly, the general ground reception is that the Company is losing it.

We lost FA, SD, MM and LdM all in the frame of a few months. These are top people.

When a global Company which is seen to be one of the most successful looses such weight, the public view this as turmoil.

Yes, maybe we may get in talents but at what cost? On the other hand if we are successful, there will be a queue at the gates

My humble analogy... could be wrong though, what do I know about running a successful Company

[Greig]

F1 personnel move around all the time, stability is really not something they worry about.

Yes, maybe we may get in talents but at what cost? On the other hand if we are successful, there will be a queue at the gates

So to be successful we don't need to get in new talent? Not sure how you think we are suddenly going to be great without improving the team.

[Stormy]

I understand the whole protege thing, but we cant rely only on that, so we must hire big names and talents in the meantime.

[Nero Horse]

Vettel's stocks were failing, falling fast. He wouldn't allow his team mate to beat him 2 consecutive years in a row.

Calculated risk if you ask me and bad for business if he stayed at RBR. The booing will increase....

So he joined Ferrari willingly. Not the other way around.

I very much doubt that Vettel is joining Ferrari just because he was beaten by Ricciardo in one season. He has achieved absolutely everything with RB and when it became apparent that Alonso was leaving then he simply saw an opening to jump to Ferrari and fulfil one of his childhood dreams. The fact that he got soundly beaten by DannyRic might be a contributing factor in his decision to leave RB, yes, but I highly doubt that the fear of losing to Ricciardo for the second season in a row was the only reason why he chose to leave there. RB was still doing quite well this season, much better than Ferrari (sad but true), so it's hard to imagine any racing driver leaving a competitive team and taking a big risk of joining a team in turmoil just because he's afraid of getting beaten again by his team-mate. In my opinion Vettel joined us because: 1) his interest and passion for Ferrari 2) he wants to take on a new challenge and try to win a WDC title in another team and prove that he truly is one of the best of all-time 3) ...and well, a bigger salary, obviously (although he's got plenty of money already, so the bigger salary probably isn't that big of a factor in his decision)

[Alonso14]

I very much doubt that Vettel is joining Ferrari just because he was beaten by Ricciardo in one season. He has achieved absolutely everything with RB and when it became apparent that Alonso was leaving then he simply saw an opening to jump to Ferrari and fulfil one of his childhood dreams. The fact that he got soundly beaten by DannyRic might be a contributing factor in his decision to leave RB, yes, but I highly doubt that the fear of losing to Ricciardo for the second season in a row was the only reason why he chose to leave there. RB was still doing quite well this season, much better than Ferrari (sad but true), so it's hard to imagine any racing driver leaving a competitive team and taking a big risk of joining a team in turmoil just because he's afraid of getting beaten again by his team-mate. In my opinion Vettel joined us because: 1) his interest and passion for Ferrari 2) he wants to take on a new challenge and try to win a WDC title in another team and prove that he truly is one of the best of all-time 3) ...and well, a bigger salary, obviously (although he's got plenty of money already, so the bigger salary probably isn't that big of a factor in his decision)

I think Ricciardo destroying him was definitely a huge factor. The thing is, Ricciardo was faster than him from start to finish. Vettel got him for outright pace just in Malaysia, he simply didn't have an answer for Danny's speed on Sundays. It is wishful thinking to say that he joined us because he dreamed of Ferrari. He might very well be a Ferrari fanboy but I didn't get an impression that he was willing to join us when he was lapping the whole field in the RB10.

Newey and Prodromou leaving also would have been an factor, IMO.

[eddie]

F1 personnel move around all the time, stability is really not something they worry about.



So to be successful we don't need to get in new talent? Not sure how you think we are suddenly going to be great without improving the team.

I like the idea of succession. Someone who has done much in the background and then being moved to lead in the fore front. That way, he or she gains alot of respect. Sort of like a proven person.

Again, I could be wrong, aren't we worst off now compared to the days when we had costa, Alonso, domenicalli all in the same garage.. I think we have gone backwards. But again, that's just my worthless analogy. I really hope after all these sacrifices, head rolling and restructuring, we pick up better next year...

[Greig]

I like the idea of succession. Someone who has done much in the background and then being moved to lead in the fore front. That way, he or she gains alot of respect. Sort of like a proven person.

Again, I could be wrong, aren't we worst off now compared to the days when we had costa, Alonso, domenicalli all in the same garage.. I think we have gone backwards. But again, that's just my worthless analogy. I really hope after all these sacrifices, head rolling and restructuring, we pick up better next year...

And if we have no talent to be a succession? we just sit still and not hire? Can you think of anyone at Ferrari who has come from the background to being a legend at any time in our history?

[eddie]

And if we have no talent to be a succession? we just sit still and not hire? Can you think of anyone at Ferrari who has come from the background to being a legend at any time in our history?

That's the piece that we are missing. Why does Ferrari not have a succession program just as they have young drivers academy.

Someone that came from the background and became a legend at Ferrari, LdM (Enzo's protege)

[Greig]

That's the piece that we are missing. Why does Ferrari not have a succession program just as they have young drivers academy.

Someone that came from the background and became a legend at Ferrari, LdM (Enzo's protege)

Luca joined Ferrari and was right at the top from the start, he began as Enzo's assistant before being team manager a year later

[eddie]

Luca joined Ferrari and was right at the top from the start, he began as Enzo's assistant before being team manager a year later

Ok not so background then, my bad

[aroutis]

It was a little different then, a lot different now.

Time will tell if the new 4 times incoming ex world champ will stick around if our Program goes south.

I may not be keeping all records, but I cant find one where Ferrari has changed 2 TPs in one season.

So the atmosphere is very different.

Top people will join us if they feel confident that we have a good plan, a good program, a cause that will likely bring the team to victory.

One ex champion just left because he saw it wasn't going to happen.

I am saying this with much love, reference and passion for Ferrari.

Its my team, the best team in the world. To see it in this state breaks my heart.

It was absolutely worse actually.
Team was nowhere, we were a dreadful mess in the pits , one never knew if we would even be able to challenge.
And yet, look what happened.

To answer your question, true leaders do not waver from challenges.

[Nova]

And IF, RB knew Vet was leaving at the start of the season?
Mabey Rics car had improvements, mabey not...but some people are
burying Vet AND Ferrari too soon methinks.
Vet is good as proved by beating everyone in the rain in a Toro, EVERYONE.
Finished 8 in his 1st GP in a not so hot BMW. And Ferrari, MM was temp at best and clueless as far as the job.
His replacement is in with the "in crowd of power"..He's not there to lead Ferrari, he's there to fight for the rules that suit Ferrari best, and get them. SD? Well, Brawn is a hard act to follow n he just wasnt up to it. FA? Well he's not in it for the long haul. I dont think he wants drive more than 3 years n Ferrari's long term plan is a bit too long for him. Without, of course, getting into a driver argument, which has been overdone. Now I do have a problem in the sacking of Costa.

[Nero Horse]

I think Ricciardo destroying him was definitely a huge factor. The thing is, Ricciardo was faster than him from start to finish. Vettel got him for outright pace just in Malaysia, he simply didn't have an answer for Danny's speed on Sundays. It is wishful thinking to say that he joined us because he dreamed of Ferrari. He might very well be a Ferrari fanboy but I didn't get an impression that he was willing to join us when he was lapping the whole field in the RB10.

Newey and Prodromou leaving also would have been an factor, IMO.

Well, the fact is that no one, except Vettel himself knows the real reasons, and all we can do is only speculate.

[Tony]

Well there have been rumours floating around that Vettel signed a pre-contract last year, so if that's the case, he had no way of knowing Ricciardo would beat him this year...

On top of that, last year there were rumours Ferrari and Vettel were in discussion...

[Tobes]

Newey got a new position in Red Bull that it doesn't include traveling, he doesn't like to travel anymore, he is slowly preparing to retire and spend time with his family. That's why i think is highly unlikely for Newey to join us.
We shall see about Brawn though

Newey is also designing the 'Ben Ainslie America's Cup' entry, I dont believe for a moment he is Maranello bound, Ross Brawn is possible, but only on his terms...

[AfterLife]

Well, the fact is that no one, except Vettel himself knows the real reasons, and all we can do is only speculate.

Those things aside, Daniel Ricciardo is though competitor with very perfect race craft.

[Nero Horse]

Those things aside, Daniel Ricciardo is though competitor with very perfect race craft.

I completely agree, and if he keeps driving like this then I hope to see him coming to Ferrari some day.