Can Vettel beat Raikkonen in 2015?

**hrc5555** · 26th November 2014, 23:46

It crossed may mind, what if Vettel do not defeat Raikkonen in 2015. Where is Ferrari than?
Any thoughts?

**steelstallions** · 26th November 2014, 23:49

So long as they are first and second, i don't care who is winning out of our two drivers

**JPMFerrari** · 27th November 2014, 00:40

Originally Posted by steelstallions

So long as they are first and second, i don't care who is winning out of our two drivers

I agree.

**Alonsomaniac** · 27th November 2014, 00:44

Originally Posted by steelstallions

So long as they are first and second, i don't care who is winning out of our two drivers

Exactly, but I do understand the question though.......

**Nova** · 27th November 2014, 01:02

Already a driver thread...1st..Ferrari hopefully will build a good car..then we'll see.

**Brembo** · 27th November 2014, 01:43

Re: This tread, no, Kimi is the better driver.

**scuderia_nano** · 27th November 2014, 02:17

Not sure bout the gap, but I feel Sebastian will edge out Kimi because Kimi Is way past it. We can seealrrady, Kimi was ooutscored by Felipe in his Ferrari stint and Was braten by over 100 points by Fernando. So, no surprises Raikkonen will be beaten.

PS: has anyone noticed gow quickly Ferraru has moved towards Bottas. It only means we had no safe option.

**Nova** · 27th November 2014, 02:30

Is there a way I can block driver threads until the season starts???

**Infi24r** · 27th November 2014, 04:42

It will be a very interesting question. Both drivers had a rough season, being beaten by their team mates by a decent margin.

My head says Vettel. He was the stronger of the two of them I'd imagine in 2014, but its by no means conclusive.

**Kingdom Hearts** · 27th November 2014, 04:47

Originally Posted by hrc5555

Where is Ferrari than?
Any thoughts?

In trouble.

If things are not perfect I think Vettel will beat Kimi, not by much but he will beat Kimi.

**Stormsearcher** · 27th November 2014, 05:47

I would like to see Kimi beat vettel, but i think Vettel will edge out Kimi. It may not be by much but a season head-to-head will show Vettel ahead.

**FFFerrari** · 27th November 2014, 05:56

If you ask me now, I think they will be more or less even during next season. Would be amazed if one beats the other hands down. But like others, if they are 1 and 2 in the standings I don't care in which order.

**wacc** · 27th November 2014, 06:33

If Kimi beats him, than they will renew his contract for 2016 and give them another try. If it happens again they will try to sign the best driver on the grid.

**Ed Harley** · 27th November 2014, 06:44

If the red cars are not podium material in 2015 it is all the same whether Vettel beats Räikkönen or vice versa.

**Seb<3Kimi** · 27th November 2014, 14:54

Originally Posted by scuderia_nano

PS: has anyone noticed gow quickly Ferraru has moved towards Bottas. It only means we had no safe option.

Ferrari will never get Bottas. Ferrari has a bad car now. And probably in the near future too. Bottas is next in line for Mercedes. Williams is better than Ferrari at the moment. And Bottas probably hated Ferrari and loved McLaren for a long time as a racing fan (Because McLaren is where all the good finns drove for a decade with Ferrari as rival) so he doesn't admire Ferrari like Vettel (Because of Schumi and Ferrari)

**jragona** · 27th November 2014, 15:19

I bloody hope he can beat Raikkonen, Ferrari are pretty stuffed if he can't!

**Forzi** · 27th November 2014, 15:59

Can he? Of course he can! Will he? The season will show.

/thread

**Senna4Ever** · 27th November 2014, 16:00

Originally Posted by Ed Harley

If the red cars are not podium material in 2015 it is all the same whether Vettel beats Räikkönen or vice versa.

regardless if you're front runner or not, in the end when you will be judged, your team mate it the first competitor you've been measured against ...

**Stormy** · 27th November 2014, 16:06

If Kimi get his form back, then i strongly believe he can, we all know what Kimi can do and is capable of.
Vettel has yet to prove.

**Tony** · 27th November 2014, 16:11

Vettel has a manageable three year contract from what I understand, if he doesn't perform up to expectation it will not be that big of a problem. If the car does not perform up to expectation then the Vettel signing will also most likely coincide with a search for a new driver around the time the new regulations are being written...

**Stormy** · 27th November 2014, 16:14

Originally Posted by Tony

Vettel has a manageable three year contract from what I understand, if he doesn't perform up to expectation it will not be that big of a problem. If the car does not perform up to expectation then the Vettel signing will also most likely coincide with a search for a new driver around the time the new regulations are being written...

That's great to hear. Hope Vettel will live up to his 4 WDC's and we wouldn't need to sack him though.

**Nero Horse** · 27th November 2014, 16:37

I don't care who will beat who, as long as they're both driving competitively and push each other to go even faster. What I would like to see is Ferrari producing a properly fast car for a change, although I know that it's going to be hard to do with all these engine development freeze restrictions in place, but I'm still hoping and dreaming.

**Winter** · 27th November 2014, 17:22

Off course he can, if he is able to, just like Kimi can do to him. I don't care, I'm cheering both.

**vecchiasignora** · 27th November 2014, 18:01

I am very optimistic that vettel won't be as alonso, and he won't have team orders going for him.
I am optimistic raikkonen will be challenging vettel, and we have back the fun days with kimi/massa.

I would only accept team orders and total dominance by vettel on kimi..if vettel is delivering titles for us

**Alonsomaniac** · 28th November 2014, 00:16

Originally Posted by vecchiasignora

I am very optimistic that vettel won't be as alonso, and he won't have team orders going for him.
I am optimistic raikkonen will be challenging vettel, and we have back the fun days with kimi/massa.

I would only accept team orders and total dominance by vettel on kimi..if vettel is delivering titles for us

Teamorders going for him......explain?

While you try to write an explanation for what you mean by "teamorders going for him", I will write down two facts for you:

With Alonso we knew we had the best driver of the grid in our car.
With Vettel we don't exactly know what we have - only time will tell.

**Katu** · 28th November 2014, 09:37

well i think they will be pretty equal

**nani_s23** · 28th November 2014, 10:32

Originally Posted by vecchiasignora

I am very optimistic that vettel won't be as alonso, and he won't have team orders going for him.
I am optimistic raikkonen will be challenging vettel, and we have back the fun days with kimi/massa.

I would only accept team orders and total dominance by vettel on kimi..if vettel is delivering titles for us

Hmmm....
Vettel race engineer : 'Kimi is faster than you'
Vettel : 'tough luck'
Kimi has much experience in F14T car n in ferrari team. He knows the weakness n strengths of it, where as vettel is new to the team n we also saw his skills when the car is not up to his standards. So kimi has edge over vettel for 2015. Vettel will find it difficult to handle ferrari in early races, he needs to adapt to the ferrari environment n car.