Ecclestone wants Mercedes power for entire grid

[killer]

He's just stirring the pot to get what he wants; which may essentially be what we all want in the end.

Statements like this one push attention to the issue at hand: the future of Formula 1 as the premiere racing series. If Bernie making mountains out of mole hills gets the right people talking about the right things, I am all for it.

[steelstallions]

What a stupid idea. As much as i support Ferrari, lets say they make the much better engine. With the rest of the grid on Mercedes engines, Its guaranteed they win most races. IF Mercedes make the better engine, then the works engine invariably works better on the Mercedes. Is that not the problem now? Utter boredom with dominance without the chance to catch up due to regulation restrictions. We need the regulations loosening so teams can have what engine they want and bring back refueling. We could have V12's back so long as the racing is exciting, these cars are not going to save the planet if they save a bit a fuel, oil will run out one day. Alternative fuel will save the planet such as biofuels which get little investment whilst oil companies are the kingpin in power.

[Greig]

He's just stirring the pot to get what he wants; which may essentially be what we all want in the end.

Statements like this one push attention to the issue at hand: the future of Formula 1 as the premiere racing series. If Bernie making mountains out of mole hills gets the right people talking about the right things, I am all for it.

Indeed and people still fall for it after all this time, Bernie does not want every team with Merc engines.

[ferrari4life]

Does anyone find it strange that when Red Bull was dominating he never said much. But now that Merc is dominating he is calling for changes?
Maybe Mercedes just doesnt have that crowd drawing effect that Ferrari has (or even Red Bull I guess yuck)

The German GP being canceled doesnt speak well about Mercedes does it?

[F1 Dream Team]

Does anyone find it strange that when Red Bull was dominating he never said much. But now that Merc is dominating he is calling for changes?
Maybe Mercedes just doesnt have that crowd drawing effect that Ferrari has (or even Red Bull I guess yuck)

The German GP being canceled doesnt speak well about Mercedes does it?

Difference was redbull never dominated like merc is and all redbull stuff was aero n engine mapping that any team could develop tho yr engines it tokens so can only do so much

[Hornet]

Does anyone find it strange that when Red Bull was dominating he never said much. But now that Merc is dominating he is calling for changes?
Maybe Mercedes just doesnt have that crowd drawing effect that Ferrari has (or even Red Bull I guess yuck)

The German GP being canceled doesnt speak well about Mercedes does it?

It is true that this is not the first time we see a team dominate, Ferrari and Red Bull have done so. This is just my opinion, but here's where I see the difference.

When we look at the race in Australia and China, we have Merc at the front controlling their pace. Lets be honest, they were outright faster than Ferrari, and Ferrari only managed to get close at times because of Merc nursing their car. Then you have Ferrari, with the performance for a solid second row. Ferrari was under no threat by anyone else, we're the 2nd fastest team by a clear margin.

Then there's Williams in an interesting situation. They were no where near the pace of Ferrari, the gap is kind of huge, they are only fast enough for 3rd row. But interestingly, they were also not threatened by anyone behind them. Red Bull and McLaren are too far behind them. So as bad as Williams pace was, it was even worse for the rest behind them.

So when you put all these together, what we're seeing is that the grid towards the front is spread out way too far. Most of the action was actually at the back end of the grid. At the front, the 3 top teams are too far apart. So not only is Merc dominating, there's no competition between Ferrari and Williams, and between Williams and the rest. The fear is that, we may see to many races with the same scenario, Merc - Ferrari - Williams finishing in that order every weekend.

Now of course I should add that I think it's too early to conclude that. Let's see how things work out. But there's certainly that concern.

And if that turns out to be the case, then that may be where the concerns are coming from. In the past, wile Red Bull were dominating at the front, we have fought for many podiums. So there was something exciting going on, even though it's from 2nd row onwards, but at least there's still that. Between us, Merc and McLaren, no one dominated 2nd row or 3rd row and finish in those order all the time. This season, it appears that the teams are spread out even further than ever.

[wisepie]

Very valid points, Hornet, but I wonder whether Williams are getting the same spec engine as Merc, Felipe seems to think not, which makes a mockery of Bernie's suggestion. Presumably when Cosworth/Ford provided most of the power units back in the 60s and 70s, the specs were equal for every team using them, and the racing was much closer. There's something fishy about Merc's total dominance against teams with the 'same' engine.

[F1 Dream Team]

Very valid points, Hornet, but I wonder whether Williams are getting the same spec engine as Merc, Felipe seems to think not, which makes a mockery of Bernie's suggestion. Presumably when Cosworth/Ford provided most of the power units back in the 60s and 70s, the specs were equal for every team using them, and the racing was much closer. There's something fishy about Merc's total dominance against teams with the 'same' engine.

There not.....

http://www.gptoday.com/full_story/vi...catch_Ferrari/

Mercedes helped Williams
Mercedes is manipulating the balance of power among its customer teams, according to a Spanish media report.

El Pais newspaper said Williams, Lotus and Force India each pay around EUR 25 million per season for the German marque’s F1-leading turbo V6 ‘power unit’.

But the report said not everything is equal.

That is despite both Williams and Mercedes denying Felipe Massa’s claim recently that the Grove team might not be fully up-to-date with the latest engine developments of the works team.

El Pais claimed: “The Williams of Felipe Massa and Valtteri Bottas are usually one step below (the works team), and then (the situation) is different still for Lotus and Force India”.

The report said that, in China, Williams suddenly took a step forward in the power stakes — perhaps in a bid to give the works team a buffer between it and the chasing Ferraris.

El Pais wonders why customers do not then complain about Mercedes’ manipulations.

“Because of clauses in the contracts,” a source is quoted as explaining. (GMM)

[Greig]

Surely all Merc engines are the same spec otherwise they have 3 or 4 different engines? that would be impossible to police when it comes to upgrades.

[zamlatuljko]

I thin this idea isnt new, if I rember Max Mosley wanted "world engine" in all FIA championships...story 2009 and onwards....
http://www.onestopstrategy.com/daily...engine%27.html

Berni 95% stories are crap and 5% true...medals, sprinklers, 3. car per team...

[abbottcostello]

Looks like someone forgot his pills.

Ferrari engine is love. Ferrari engine is life.

Shamim is probably right to some extent, Bernie sometimes says outrageous things to make a point.
But, then again, occasionally he just forgets his pills.

[Black Adder]

The man must be in full power that he can claim whatever comes into his (old) mind, even if it is to provoke. Only this week: the Merceded PU thing, the 1000hp V8 and also that Hamilton should go to Ferari.
As this last would help F1?

[paolo lalli]

Mr ec is a lovely old chap who really should just sit quietly in the room .Really mr ecc the same as merc.