Bahrain Grand Prix 2015 - Race Thread

**KimiBot** · 21st April 2015, 09:26

Originally Posted by superwonderboy

but none of us thought that we would be so competitive,.

Actually I thought that Ferrari is ahead Mercedes all ready in Melbourne, so I was little disappointed, but they are fine tuning now and some developing going on and soon Mercedes is behind. It is not normal when Mercedes is ahead Ferrari, there has to be somekind of order in this universe. Soon we get that harmony back.

BTW, it will be nice to see how Nico and Lewis react then.

**DJTaurus** · 21st April 2015, 12:52

Originally Posted by IulianFerrari

First of all it was not intended as a racist remark, I cleared that out ( I hope ) when somebody else asked me about it. If it was Nico acting like that I would have said the same thing, I can assure you it was not made out to be a racist remark, there are a lot of dark skin people that I have a lot of respect for and do have a few friends myself.
I just disapprove of that kind of behaviour and I do not see it fit for a Ferrari driver ( a brand which prides itself with a certain quality of employees, designs, drivers and customers). I don't see anyone at Ferrari exposing their 2 chains of gold around their neck (or any other "bling" materials), do you ?
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It is just not the Ferrari way.

I agree with you. Its not Ferrari's way and we have a recent example...
http://jalopnik.com/ferrari-sent-dea...urr-1627640534

**Tofarati** · 21st April 2015, 13:06

Originally Posted by aroutis

I don't agree with that.
Ferrari is a brand name , a tradition, when they employ someone, they are asked to blend in.

I cannot see someone that is acting as Hamilton right now, to represent Ferrari. It has absolutely nothing to do with racism , actually I hate racism. But it IS all about image.

If you truly feel that way, then you should start with Ferrari's TP. The image of Arivabene looking scruffy and unkemp should be repulsive to you and all Ferrari lovers and buyers alike. And that's a grown man for you. See how that turns your argument on it's head?. The fact is he wasn't brought in for his "looks" rather for his inside knowledge of F1.

**Sriharsha** · 21st April 2015, 13:23

One Team One Family

**F1 Dream Team** · 21st April 2015, 13:25

Originally Posted by Sriharsha

One Team One Family
https://scontent-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hp...1a&oe=55DE59BF

**F1 Dream Team** · 21st April 2015, 13:28

Originally Posted by Tofarati

If you truly feel that way, then you should start with Ferrari's TP. The image of Arivabene looking scruffy and unkemp should be repulsive to you and all Ferrari lovers and buyers alike. And that's a grown man for you. See how that turns your argument on it's head?. The fact is he wasn't brought in for his "looks" rather for his inside knowledge of F1.

Why is Arivabene scruffy and unkemp ????

**mark p** · 21st April 2015, 13:30

Originally Posted by Tofarati

If you truly feel that way, then you should start with Ferrari's TP. The image of Arivabene looking scruffy and unkemp should be repulsive to you and all Ferrari lovers and buyers alike. And that's a grown man for you. See how that turns your argument on it's head?. The fact is he wasn't brought in for his "looks" rather for his inside knowledge of F1.

I am quoted on the above but did not right that. Has a quote been edited?

**mirafiori** · 21st April 2015, 13:53

Originally Posted by Tofarati

If you truly feel that way, then you should start with Ferrari's TP. The image of Arivabene looking scruffy and unkemp should be repulsive to you and all Ferrari lovers and buyers alike. And that's a grown man for you. See how that turns your argument on it's head?. The fact is he wasn't brought in for his "looks" rather for his inside knowledge of F1.

Sorry aroutis this quote is not for you but meant For Tofarati.
Really our TP scruffy and unkemp, you are from the USA where you have not got a clue about fashion, I have been to the USA on many occasions and the Americans are the most badly dressed people on the planet. You are talking about our TP who is Italian and when it comes to fashion you need to keep your mouth closed.

**Nova** · 21st April 2015, 14:40

Originally Posted by mirafiori

Sorry aroutis this quote is not for you but meant For Tofarati.
Really our TP scruffy and unkemp, you are from the USA where you have not got a clue about fashion, I have been to the USA on many occasions and the Americans are the most badly dressed people on the planet. You are talking about our TP who is Italian and when it comes to fashion you need to keep your mouth closed.

lol...

**Tony** · 21st April 2015, 14:55

Seriously guys this conversation is getting out of control. Please get back on topic.

We've now managed to bring in racism and prejudism into this discussion several times and it needs to stop...

**Giallo 550** · 21st April 2015, 15:24

Originally Posted by mirafiori

you are from the USA where you have not got a clue about fashion, I have been to the USA on many occasions and the Americans are the most badly dressed people on the planet.

Get over yourself.

**Black Adder** · 21st April 2015, 15:52

SKY F1:

Ferrari’s miscalculation may have cost Kimi victory

In contrast to Hamilton’s restraint making certain of his victory, there’s compelling devilish detail in the lap charts to suggest that Ferrari and Kimi Raikkonen lost out on a potential race victory after erroneously delaying their final attack.

While Raikkonen’s extended middle stint, running for 23 laps on the medium tyres, laid the platform for his charge to third, and carried the additional benefit of putting the Finn on a different section of track to team-mate Sebastian Vettel, it would appear that Ferrari misjudged how far Raikkonen could have pushed the softer tyres at the race’s conclusion.

Forgive the onslaught of figures, but they do make for interesting reading.

At the end of his middle stint on the mediums, Raikkonen recorded lap times of 1:39.884, 1:39.591, 1:39.665 and 1:40.684. Straight out of the box on the softs, Kimi produced a 1:36.311, his fastest lap of the race and only suffered two seconds’ worth of degradation over his next 15 laps. On his two final tours, when he overtook Rosberg and began to close in on Hamilton’s ailing Mercedes, Raikkonen still had enough life in his rubber to set lap times of 1:38.766 and 1:38.015.

Compare those times to the laps of 1:39.665 and 1:40.684 that Raikkonen recorded when his medium began to fade. It’s a difference of around 3.5 seconds, a tally which dwarves Raikkonen’s 3.3-second deficit to Hamilton at the chequered flag.

If only Ferrari had been slightly more aggressive, the race was there to be won.

**Greig** · 21st April 2015, 16:36

Originally Posted by mirafiori

Sorry aroutis this quote is not for you but meant For Tofarati.
Really our TP scruffy and unkemp, you are from the USA where you have not got a clue about fashion, I have been to the USA on many occasions and the Americans are the most badly dressed people on the planet. You are talking about our TP who is Italian and when it comes to fashion you need to keep your mouth closed.

Calm down a little please, there is no need to insult many members on here just cause you don't like Lewis wearing a chain.

**Fireblade** · 21st April 2015, 16:38

"Raikkonen’s 3.3-second deficit to Hamilton at the chequered flag"

The flaw in that argument is the assumption that Hamilton was going flat out, when in reality he was taking it very gently towards the end. If Kimi had looked a genuine threat Lewis would simply have gone faster and still taken the flag.

**F1 Dream Team** · 21st April 2015, 16:48

Originally Posted by Fireblade

"Raikkonen’s 3.3-second deficit to Hamilton at the chequered flag"

The flaw in that argument is the assumption that Hamilton was going flat out, when in reality he was taking it very gently towards the end. If Kimi had looked a genuine threat Lewis would simply have gone faster and still taken the flag.

Not when his brakes went too more pressure brakes would off gone quicker

**abbottcostello** · 21st April 2015, 16:49

Originally Posted by Black Adder

SKY F1:

Ferrari’s miscalculation may have cost Kimi victory

In contrast to Hamilton’s restraint making certain of his victory, there’s compelling devilish detail in the lap charts to suggest that Ferrari and Kimi Raikkonen lost out on a potential race victory after erroneously delaying their final attack.

While Raikkonen’s extended middle stint, running for 23 laps on the medium tyres, laid the platform for his charge to third, and carried the additional benefit of putting the Finn on a different section of track to team-mate Sebastian Vettel, it would appear that Ferrari misjudged how far Raikkonen could have pushed the softer tyres at the race’s conclusion.

Forgive the onslaught of figures, but they do make for interesting reading.

At the end of his middle stint on the mediums, Raikkonen recorded lap times of 1:39.884, 1:39.591, 1:39.665 and 1:40.684. Straight out of the box on the softs, Kimi produced a 1:36.311, his fastest lap of the race and only suffered two seconds’ worth of degradation over his next 15 laps. On his two final tours, when he overtook Rosberg and began to close in on Hamilton’s ailing Mercedes, Raikkonen still had enough life in his rubber to set lap times of 1:38.766 and 1:38.015.

Compare those times to the laps of 1:39.665 and 1:40.684 that Raikkonen recorded when his medium began to fade. It’s a difference of around 3.5 seconds, a tally which dwarves Raikkonen’s 3.3-second deficit to Hamilton at the chequered flag.

If only Ferrari had been slightly more aggressive, the race was there to be won.

Brings to mind many adages... Hindsight is 20/20... Monday morning quarterback
Everyone knows the right moves that 'should' have been made after the fact.

**stefa** · 21st April 2015, 17:44

Originally Posted by Sriharsha

One Team One Family
https://scontent-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hp...1a&oe=55DE59BF

GREAT!!!

**Fireblade** · 21st April 2015, 17:57

Originally Posted by F1 Dream Team

Not when his brakes went too more pressure brakes would off gone quicker

That's just guesswork. His brakes had not gone off, Merc were concerned they might go and told him to take it easy while still winning, which he did. Kimi's last two laps were pretty slow compared to his previous ones as well, so it looks like his tyres were falling off at the end.

**PURE PASSION** · 21st April 2015, 18:18

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2015/0...vettels-mercy/

**PURE PASSION** · 21st April 2015, 18:27

Originally Posted by Fireblade

That's just guesswork. His brakes had not gone off, Merc were concerned they might go and told him to take it easy while still winning, which he did. Kimi's last two laps were pretty slow compared to his previous ones as well, so it looks like his tyres were falling off at the end.

When they are faster, they pull away!!!Look at China, on softer tires they weren't much faster,maybe they were just a bit more conservative with the tires but not much,but when they put the harder (medium) tires in that colder conditions,they were a lot faster and they pull away!!!!So till now we see that when they have the pace , they simply pull away, they dont keep ,on purpose,our cars 1-2 sec behind!!!!!!

**Fireblade** · 21st April 2015, 19:02

Originally Posted by PURE PASSION

When they are faster, they pull away!!!Look at China, on softer tires they weren't much faster,maybe they were just a bit more conservative with the tires but not much,but when they put the harder (medium) tires in that colder conditions,they were a lot faster and they pull away!!!!So till now we see that when they have the pace , they simply pull away, they dont keep ,on purpose,our cars 1-2 sec behind!!!!!!

They were doing the exact same thing in China, just managing the pace and going fast enough to win without taking too much out of the car. Keeping our cars 1-2 seconds behind is exactly what they did do. On the few instances we got Seb or Kimi in front of Rosberg he simply engaged warp drive and easily flew past our guys - and then slowed down to the same pace again. They're still faster than we are. The gap is greatly diminished compared to last year but it's still there.

**PURE PASSION** · 21st April 2015, 19:08

Originally Posted by Fireblade

They were doing the exact same thing in China, just managing the pace and going fast enough to win without taking too much out of the car. Keeping our cars 1-2 seconds behind is exactly what they did do. On the few instances we got Seb or Kimi in front of Rosberg he simply engaged warp drive and easily flew past our guys - and then slowed down to the same pace again. They're still faster than we are. The gap is greatly diminished compared to last year but it's still there.

Ok you have your opinion!!
Next time we win,you can say it was a gift from them!!

**Fireblade** · 21st April 2015, 19:16

Originally Posted by PURE PASSION

Ok you have your opinion!!
Next time we win,you can say it was a gift from them!!

Or next time they win, you can blame our drivers and/or team strategy!

**mirafiori** · 21st April 2015, 19:26

Originally Posted by Giallo 550

Get over yourself.

Why don't you reply to the person who said our TP was unkemp and scruffy.

**mirafiori** · 21st April 2015, 19:31

Originally Posted by Greig

Calm down a little please, there is no need to insult many members on here just cause you don't like Lewis wearing a chain.

No I don't like two chain Hamilton, there is no need to like him as he drives for the competion, yes he maybe in the top 6 drivers on the grid and if one day FIAT allow him to drive for Ferrari then through gritted teeth I would support him.

**PURE PASSION** · 21st April 2015, 19:43

Originally Posted by Fireblade

Or next time they win, you can blame our drivers and/or team strategy!

We lost 3 times and i haven't blame anyone!!!they were fester and they win!!I just answering to you that when we are closer you say that they just allow us to be closer!!!
Something like in test when a some people said that our pace weren't genuine simply because there were NO way to have closed such a big gap in few months!!And here we are!!!So in this case you say that they have a lot more pace and they allow us to get near,and i say that they DONT have that much more.Maybe a bit i agree but not much,and i hope that with the upgrades(even when they have theirs,and they already have done their first step)we could be on par and probably just ahead!!!
This is how in see all the situation and this is how i hope it will evolve!!!!

**Fireblade** · 21st April 2015, 20:18

If you'd told people before the season began that after four GP's we'd have four podiums (including a win) and would have put a Ferrari on the front row in qualifying twice, I expect most have been overjoyed. Given where we were last season things so far could hardly be better.

That being said, Mercedes still have a very, very dominant car. I tried to see when was the last time a team had as a good a start to the season as Mercedes have had this season - and apart from Mercedes last season I'm not sure any team has ever gotten off to such a strong start. Their results so far exceed those of RB in the first four races of any year in 2010-13, or of Ferrari in 2000-04.

Our team has made great strides and we should be happy and encouraged by that. At the same time we're up against a car which is more dominant than even the F2004 or the RB7. So we have to be realistic as well and not engage in the negativity and in-fighting seen on this thread any time we don't win a race or score a double podium finish.

**mark p** · 21st April 2015, 20:52

Originally Posted by Fireblade

If you'd told people before the season began that after four GP's we'd have four podiums (including a win) and would have put a Ferrari on the front row in qualifying twice, I expect most have been overjoyed. Given where we were last season things so far could hardly be better.

That being said, Mercedes still have a very, very dominant car. I tried to see when was the last time a team had as a good a start to the season as Mercedes have had this season - and apart from Mercedes last season I'm not sure any team has ever gotten off to such a strong start. Their results so far exceed those of RB in the first four races of any year in 2010-13, or of Ferrari in 2000-04.

Our team has made great strides and we should be happy and encouraged by that. At the same time we're up against a car which is more dominant than even the F2004 or the RB7. So we have to be realistic as well and not engage in the negativity and in-fighting seen on this thread any time we don't win a race or score a double podium finish.

This year reminds me of 1991 with Ferrari playing Williams and Mercedes playing McLaren. Williams looked quick but not McLaren quick but by the end were title contenders winning nearly all races just had to come from too far back. A 1992 Williams performance from Ferrari next year? I use this example as Williams jump in pace from 1990 to 1991 is similar to me as Ferrari this year. Maybe it's just me?