"Supportive" does not mean blind for errors in strategy in most of the races.Originally Posted by JPA
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"Supportive" does not mean blind for errors in strategy in most of the races.
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This year is worst than 2014
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Strategy error wise, yes. Car wise definetly not. Overall wise not. Nothing is worse than 2014, NOOTHIIINGGG !
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In terms of reliability, I think this season has been the lowest in recent times. In particular the gearbox issues, its way too often for a single component to break that many times.Strategy error wise, yes. Car wise definetly not. Overall wise not. Nothing is worse than 2014, NOOTHIIINGGG !
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Did we let a possible undercut against Verstappen go? TBH, I was confused why we covered Lewis and not try to race Max. Did I miss something?
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lol....
Not a bad race..we need more speed. Looks like the chassis
is a bit better, but w/out more power? We need more.
Like Vet said, he's pulling away on the straights. I loved the old days
when teams had special engines just for qual. Now if u sneeze on your motor its a 5 place
grid pen. F1 just isnt the fun it used to be.
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Seb should've pitted earlier. Choosing softs instead of hards aint that bad. On hards we never stood a chance. This way, Ferrari made a gamble that didn't pay off. However, allowing Hamilton to undercut us is a key mistake that lost us the podium.
At least Seb's performance was good today
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Had to hang on and watch the race later, thinking crazily that we might win/get a podium if I didn't watch it live......disappointed again but we did have the speed today and the cars were good, as was the driving, but the penalties and traffic played their part as much as the strategy. The Gods were against Ferrari this year and I don't believe next year will be any different without major power and aero developments. Good race for Seb and Kimi anyway, they deserved better.
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If Ferrari and vettel just repeated strategies the verstapen
they will be second simple as that.
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There is nothing in highly demanding technical sport as F1 as Gods, faith, luck... Just engineering... which we lack off....Had to hang on and watch the race later, thinking crazily that we might win/get a podium if I didn't watch it live......disappointed again but we did have the speed today and the cars were good, as was the driving, but the penalties and traffic played their part as much as the strategy. The Gods were against Ferrari this year and I don't believe next year will be any different without major power and aero developments. Good race for Seb and Kimi anyway, they deserved better.
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Maurizio Arrivabene: Considering our starting position, being pushed back by a double penalty, we did the best we could today. It's just a shame that the traffic from backmarkers did not allow Seb to take the best out of our strategy.
Kimi Raikkonen: After a good qualifying yesterday, the issue with the gearbox and the consequent starting position change was not ideal in this kind of track. Obviously there's a lot of disappointment, as we had a good car and if we could have stayed in front we would have fought with more free air and with a lot of speed. I had a good start but then I got stuck behind other people: it was really tricky to follow other cars and it affected quite a bit the behavior. It was also difficult to stay close to them and attack them. Once we got past them and I was on my own, the car was quick and handling well. For sure today we were fast enough for a better result. Unfortunately that's how it goes...
Sebastian Vettel: We had a very good start and made good progress in the first two laps, passing Ricciardo and Perez, then we were faster than Verstappen. I think today we had the second fastest car. So it was a question of time, but obviously Max came in as soon as he could to maintain track position, which worked well for him. We tried to go on the softer tire in the end, which initially we thought would work well, but then we had too much degradation and we were falling off this group. It is always easy to criticize, and I am sure there are many 'experts' that knew better, but on the pitwall as well as in the car, I was keen to go for this strategy so to extend the second stint. It's a fact I lost big chunks of time with the blue flags. I always got the lapped cars right in sector one, when they can't move, so I was losing a lot of time, and there's probably where I lost track position to Lewis, who always seemed to clear the lapped cars in the straight. But then the pace wouldn't have probably been enough to challenge for the podium.
Was a bit disappointing today I was hoping for a podium but whatever.
quite frankly I'm glad we don't have a rocketship of a car like the Merc, even if we did this season, the strategy calls alone would lose us the title. Talk about incompetent. it's quite farcical :(
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Looking at Seb's comments, it looks like they wanted to go for Max but traffic did us in. Don't know what prevented us from reacting quicker to losing time with the backmarkers though. Ultimately, the grid penalties did the most damage. Great driving from both drivers.
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Ferrari got very very close to winning a race in Hungary 14.Strategy error wise, yes. Car wise definetly not. Overall wise not. Nothing is worse than 2014, NOOTHIIINGGG !
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Ferrari got closer this year in Spain, where only the better traction out of the corner kept RBR ahead, Kimi was closer than Fernando was. This year we have our drivers 4th and 6th in the rankings better than both in 2014, leading driver then, Fernando, finished with 161 points where as Kimi has now 170 points. A lot more points in the constructors as well, now being 3rd then finishing 4th, 335 points to 216 points, we already have 120 points +,and there is still time to hit the 400 mark.
Last edited by IulianFerrari; 10th October 2016 at 07:23.
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all winless season are the same
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all winless season are the same
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Spot on!!!!
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Red Bull F1 boss Horner surprised by Ferrari's Japanese GP strategy
By Lawrence Barretto, Ian Parkes @lawrobarretto , @ianparkesf1 Published on Monday October 10th 2016 Formula 1 RSS feed
Red Bull Formula 1 team principal Christian Horner was surprised by Ferrari's strategy in the Japanese Grand Prix, which he says helped guarantee the runner-up spot to Max Verstappen.
With Verstappen running second to Mercedes' Nico Rosberg at Suzuka, Red Bull brought him in for his second stop on lap 28 of 53, taking another set of the hard-compound tyres for his third and final stint.
Sebastian Vettel stayed out six laps longer, and Ferrari also then elected to give him soft tyres for the end of the race.
However, Vettel had lost track position by staying out and emerged just behind the hard-shod Lewis Hamilton, and despite being on the quicker tyre was unable to find a way past.
Verstappen eventually held off Hamilton to finish second, while Vettel had to settle for fourth.
"We toyed with that [also placing Verstappen on soft] because once you've been undercut then you've got to try something different, so we went longer," said Horner.
"Tyres were dropping off at a point where we really didn't think we would get to the end on the soft. It was then a question of again going on the hard.
"But what really surprised us was Sebastian going onto the soft tyre when he was in a position of reasonable strength around Max with 19 laps to go. That surprised us quite a bit."
Vettel explained Ferrari went for an aggressive strategy in the hope he could attack in the closing stages.
"We tried to go longer and do something different in order to come back at the end of the race," he said.
"Unfortunately, the way it turned out, the soft tyre didn't last very long.
"On top of that, we lost a position to Lewis, but if you look at the gap at the end of the race, I don't think there was anything I could have done to hold him as the gap to the podium was too big."
Vettel believes Ferrari has moved back ahead of Red Bull in the F1 pecking order, with Horner admitting its rival had the edge in Japan.
"Pace-wise they were strong, arguably they were slightly stronger than us," said Horner.
"At Suzuka you are at full throttle longer. It is one of the higher engine-dependent circuits, so I was delighted we were able to convert our grid positions into positive points.
"Strategically, we were stronger. We made the most of the position we had with Max.
"[Ferrari] chose a different route, and that in the end assisted Lewis, and the pressure came from Lewis instead of Seb."
Verstappen's team-mate Daniel Ricciardo finished fifth, having complained about a lack of straightline speed from an old power unit during qualifying.
Horner said Red Bull will look into the issues, with both drivers getting a fresh engine - without penalty as it is the last of their allocation - for the next race in Austin, aimed at getting them to the end of the season.
For sure wasn't the only one....
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How lucky we, Ferrari- fans, are..all winless season are the same
Only 13 of the 'same winless' seasons out of 66..
I'm sure this makes you all very very proud tifosi
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Spot on!!!!How lucky we, Ferrari- fans, are..
Only 13 of the 'same winless' seasons out of 66..
I'm sure this makes you all very very proud tifosi
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Teaspoons and not shovels, my friend.
Last edited by killer; 11th October 2016 at 05:21.
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How lucky we, Ferrari- fans, are..
Only 13 of the 'same winless' seasons out of 66..
I'm sure this makes you all very very proud tifosi :-
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Not sure I get what youre saying. R u dissing the team?
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I meant every word of it.
Competing from the beginning of F1 until now, winning race(s) in 53 seasons of the 66 they have participated..That's legendary at least that's my
opinion
Never dissing the Scuderia..I really have no reason to..In F1 you win or loose, feel good or feel bad. And we still have won the most titles during the last
40 years I followed the team.
If the Scuderia would quit F1, I'm gone too.
Hope this will do for you
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I miss F1, and it has been only a week and a half since the last race. Even though we are not very competitive, I still like to see those red cars around the circuit. I don't know what I am going to do during the winter break, it's going to be tough.
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Exactly..The bolded part
I can't get enough of that too
Hope we will be able to fight for the podium again.
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