Better than the Mclarens for sure. Maybe even TP. But not Albon. He is much better in the race than at quali.Originally Posted by tifosi1993
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Better than the Mclarens for sure. Maybe even TP. But not Albon. He is much better in the race than at quali.
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Is this your wishful thinking?
And what has BLM got to do with this?
Seb is getting hammered by his teammate. I doubt Merc want to hire him in place of LH.
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The thing that Mercedes was pushing to put in the new Concorde agreement was that they want to avoid a fine if they leave before the 5 years.
In short they don't wanna commit.
So Toto apparently feels it's time to go elsewhere (ie. Trashing Point)
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So you are going to be happy to see Ferrari “only” 1.2 seconds behind instead of 1.7 seconds? Not because Ferrari gained performance but because others were artificially handicapped? That’s considered an achievement for you? That will make you celebrate? Celebrate mediocrity?
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That would be a relief. Maybe we will start getting points from the second car then.
BTW- source of rumour?
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Ferrari are now at rock bottom. The only way now is up a little at a time the pain and dissapoinment of now must act as the motivation for tomorrow.
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Maybe, but there is still a lot of cliff for them to fall down. Remember, they agreed to an engine freeze which effectively kneecaps them for the next year and a half.
The true bottom is 15th and 16th, just ahead of the other two teams with Ferrari engines.
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Who said anything about 1.2 seconds? I don't really know how much Mercedes would lose or how much Ferrari would gain.
According to Vettel, we don't have any party mode, and according to Binotto, we are giving away 7 tenths because of the PU. So an improvement of at least 5-7 tenths is huge without adding anything on the car. But not to you of course.
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I wouldn't write off next years engine just yet. Look at the jump Ferrari had made from 2017 to 2018, or Mercedes have made from last year to this year. And look at where Honda and Renault are right now, compared to where they were last year.
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Don’t know why you are so much negative of vettel ...!! He’s still with Ferrari
Below are 2019 stats:
Sebs Quali Stats 2019
Average gap to team mate:
Seb +0.07s
Average place qualified in 2019:
Seb 4.29
Charles 4.43
Yes he can be overrated driver, but not where the gap to his team mate is over .4-7ths.
Something fundamentally wrong on both sides. Anyways my opinion doesn’t change your thinking too
Just a note.
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I'd like to think that's true regarding race pace, but what always worries me more is what happens on the opening lap, especially with Seb lining up behind Charles and just being in the middle of the pack is a recipe for things to go wrong, and if it happens the race pace is immaterial. The others all around us have more power, even the Alpha Tauri has been quicker than us in recent races, this is becoming a nightmare for a tifoso.
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Actually it is not upgrade, to be fair it is forced downgrade on Mercedes!
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Can we expect the Merc engine to now get the same sort of treatment as last year's Ferrari? If I have to watch Hamilton stroll to another pole/win, I swear I will smash the TV in frustration, so let's hope their party mode will be banned forthwith for my own sanity!
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Can we expect the Merc engine to now get the same sort of treatment as last year's Ferrari? If I have to watch Hamilton stroll to another pole/win, I swear I will smash the TV in frustration, so let's hope their party mode will be banned forthwith for my own sanity!but I still feel .... party mode ban will not stop Lewis taking the pole.
Mercs has far superior car.... it’s only the team which has Top DF + Engine.
It’s surprising to me that year by year they are producing huge performance...!!
May be this party mode ban, should bring bottas into play. Somewhere I feel Lewis has some extra mode settings above Bottaswild thought but not sure.
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Sorry. Dont care about the stats. The stats also say he is a 4 time champion. blaaah.Don’t know why you are so much negative of vettel ...!! He’s still with Ferrari
Below are 2019 stats:
Sebs Quali Stats 2019
Average gap to team mate:
Seb +0.07s
Average place qualified in 2019:
Seb 4.29
Charles 4.43
Yes he can be overrated driver, but not where the gap to his team mate is over .4-7ths.
Something fundamentally wrong on both sides. Anyways my opinion doesn’t change your thinking too
Just a note.
He ruined Ferrari for me. I had even stopped coming to the forum almost and didnt care too much about the team during races either.
Always thought he was highly overrated. The last few years have proved it.
Only with coming of Charles, that i can fully support Ferrari again. (yeah i know this wont be a popular opinion, but i am driver first and then team kinda supporter
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Of course, there is a big chance of Leclerc not surviving turn 1. But unfortunately, there's nothing he can do about it right now. He can be extra cautious, as he was the previous two occasions. But if Leclerc survives turn 1 and remain unscathed after the first lap, then P4 is on the card here.I'd like to think that's true regarding race pace, but what always worries me more is what happens on the opening lap, especially with Seb lining up behind Charles and just being in the middle of the pack is a recipe for things to go wrong, and if it happens the race pace is immaterial. The others all around us have more power, even the Alpha Tauri has been quicker than us in recent races, this is becoming a nightmare for a tifoso.
And I wouldn't worry too much about engine power during the race trim, Q3 mode is only for quaiy. Looking after tyres is more important. In today's F2, Mick started on hards, but by lap 16, his tyres were pretty much gone. And last year with 21 degree Celsius temperature, we had 2 pit stops. And tomorrow is going to be warmer than last year.
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Charles isn't happy with his P9, he says the car gained more understeer as the qualy session progressed. Of course, it's naive to predict the setup of a F1 car without the proper tools and data. But I'd say, Ferrari have gone pretty stiff at the front.
A stiffer front will induce understeer at low fuel, but on high fuel load it will protect the rear tyres, which will improve the race pace. Our cornering speed is certainly better than the likes of Mclarens, TPs. And Albon isn't anything special, so Charles can get P4 tomorrow. But it will require luck and good strategy from Ferrari, and knowing our pit wall, I'm not that confident about tomorrow.
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Hi Stormsearcher.....and other old members of course. My thoughts were the same as yours......stopped posting the moment Vettel came. Visisted the forum from time to time to read something and always kept an eye at Ferrari, but Vettel......no no no.
And indeed, Leclerc is a different kind of driver. A Ferrari hearted passionate but also clever driver. Feel sorry for him Ferrari is not where it belongs now, but if there is a driver who can even keep the passion alive in bad times, it's Charles.
So, I have started following Ferrari much closer again and also decided to come back to the forum.
Hope the old guys here will still have me...........
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How many people you think would quit posting if Hamilton came to FERRRARI?
On second thought probably be more posts because of the dislike for Hamilton.
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It’s not an improvement on Ferrari’s part. Artificially slowing someone else down isn’t Ferrari improving its performance.its dumbing someone else down. Ferrari gains nothing, they gain no performance, they just don’t look as bad against Merc.
Even Is Merc is slowed down by .7 today it would still leave Ferrari nearly 1 Second down. That is nothing to celebrate.
It’s a losers mentality.
Looks, we aren’t terrible anymore, we’re just bad. Woo hoo!
No it’s not huge to me. Second best is first loser. Mediocrity is nothing to be celebrated. It’s to be punished and looked down upon.
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Imagine if you’re playing hockey and your team suck something awful. Then the NHL says okay, the players on the other teams are only allowed to wear one skate.
That doesn’t make you better.
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Oh enjoy, another F1 race to watch dominated by Mercedes where the only question is watch Merc driver finishes #1....boring!
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just thought of something....WE MIGHT ACTUALLY GET LAPPED TOMORROW.....now tha would be bad...
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Max for the victory he will keep Mercedes honest, well some body has to.
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Unless the ruling body has a suspicion of trickery, then they are just closing a loophole. Merc did the same when we had an engine advantage. They whined and got it detuned. Did they get better by making us slower? Arguably yes because with another 70 hp ferrari could be right up there.
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Oh well, I'm not really obsessed with the whole "Winner vs Loser" thing, as yourself and some americans are. "Oooh look at me, Ima a Winner baby"...."Look that guy, he's a complete loser LOL".....that's just silly and nonsense, and more suited to school yards or Hollywood movies, not real world.
And I still don't get why you're so upset about it. If it helps Ferrari somehow, then fine, there's no harm in it.
And the reason is quite simple. Mercedes and Red Bull have opened up a pendulum by consistently complaining about Ferrari's engine mode. And after the NDA, the FIA did say that Ferrari will be helping them on closing other loopholes. The current engine mode ban is part of that deal, and I think more to come in the near future.
But I also don't expect Mercedes to lose all of their performance. It will trim their advantage a bit, but that's about it. The one that will get hurt most are TP and Williams.
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Whatever you call it. But it is good for Ferrari, and I'm all for it.
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