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It's the FIA that cheated not us.Originally Posted by nani_s23
Then, all three races we won last year would've been won by Hammy if Charles didn't have the track position. If anything, Red Bull stole a win from us last year through Max' reckless driving in Austria. I know Max finished third in Singapore but it's a complete garbage take to suggest Hammy wouldn't have had him covered in clean air.
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2 Verstappen NED Red Bull Racing Honda 110
3 Bottas FIN Mercedes 107
4 Albon THA Red Bull Racing Honda 48
5 Leclerc MON Ferrari 45
6 Norris GBR McLaren Renault 45
7 Stroll CAN Racing Point BWT Mercedes 42
8 Ricciardo AUS Renault 33
9 Perez MEX Racing Point BWT Mercedes 33
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14 Hulkenberg GER Racing Point BWT Mercedes 6
15 Giovinazzi ITA Alfa Romeo Racing Ferrari 2
16 Kvyat RUS AlphaTauri Honda 2
17 Magnussen DEN Haas Ferrari 1
18 Räikkönen FIN Alfa Romeo Racing Ferrari 0
19 Latifi CAN Williams Mercedes 0
20 Russell GBR Williams Mercedes 0
21 Grosjean FRA Haas Ferrari 0
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Yup I’m excited to see him back in a strong car...Alonso is licking his lips!
Those McLarens will also be strong...!! It will be tight fight between TP/McLaren/Renault might be with RB too...!!
Don’t know where would we stand against this ...
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If it was Mercedes that got found to have been running more fuel allowed than the permitted 100 kg/hr we would all be outraged and calling them cheaters.
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[QUOTE=Tifoso Svedese;1032660 It's the FIA that cheated not us.
Then, all three races we won last year would've been won by Hammy if Charles didn't have the track position. If anything, Red Bull stole a win from us last year through Max' reckless driving in Austria. I know Max finished third in Singapore but it's a complete garbage take to suggest Hammy wouldn't have had him covered in clean air.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. Nico Rosberg was handed a 5 second penalty for the same move in Germany 2016. I don't know how some people can talk about the "Ferrari International Assistance" with all the injustice done to us last year (we lost at least 2 wins because of it, Austria and Canada).
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Well they do
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Thank God there will be no fans at monza, other wise I can see lots and lots of tomatoes thrown at the ferrari cars.Fair dinkum they are copping it left right and centre and the italian media are absolutely roasting them they have missed nothing incompetent clueless lacking imagination poor management etc etc just to name a few the pressure is on big time.
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At least it won't be a season without a single podiumfinish. Thank you Charles.
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Was anyone else impressed by Vettel's post-race comments? I watched his comments live and I thought they were very mature and pleasant.
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There is A LOT more wrong with this car and team than just the engine being down on power. The car fails on high speed twisty bits. The car fails on low speed twisty bits. The car fails in the pits. The car fails on turning the tires on. I'm not even going to mention the management or Seb right now.
Please get Charles in a competitive car. His start yesterday was electric.
The only silver lining is that I believe we will have more wind tunnel time/development time due to our standings finishes than the top teams. Hopefully the people in place by then can actually take advantage of that time and build a car worth Charles' talent.
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Hopefully correlation issues are fixed or that extra time means zilch.
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It years and years of the same repeating problems.Nothing has changed since 2014 ferrari has been in a development induced coma since then.The treating specialists don't even know what the next steps are.lets be serious here everything ferrari have tried to date has virtually failed.The desperation of the current situation is resulting with knee jerk solutions.The pace of the season has really exposed the flaws at ferrari .
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They were supposed to have been fixed many many years ago.
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Through the years I have seen bad Ferrari's with great engines - they won races but no championships.
I have seen great Ferrari's with bad engines. They did the same.
And I have seen great Ferrari's with great engines - they won almost everything!
Now I see a bad Ferrari with a bad engine..........
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Where is the new Ferrari CEO? He seems the most incompetent of all. This team is without honor, without imagination and are not worth the shoes they are wearing. I don’t know why they are still racing, the car is absolute garbage, no fans, sponsors are embarrassed to have their name linked to this team. It’s mind boggling that we are a below midfield team.
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What do you want the CEO or Ferrari to do? What is your expectation?
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Seb & Charles must fight everyone one the track like they do to each other! Make way to the front as best they can. Blow the engine up if they have to! Qualifying is a big deal more than ever. Maximum effort also in the pit. Zero points is a horror!
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The Team need some fresh peoples and ideas obviously. There is bright future with current engineers and designer. And of course binotto has to go.
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Between now and 2022 can you only update the engine once during to token system? If so doubt they would bring a new engine until late 2021 as need to put in as much development as possible. No point wasting tokens on this car even for next year as engine is only carry over part 2022-2025 rules.
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You can bring a new spec at the start of the 2021 season.
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Maranello, 31 August 2020 – It was a bad weekend at Spa-Francorchamps with no points scored, Sebastian finishing 13th and Charles 14th. A frustrating result as emphasised after the race by Team Principal, Mattia Binotto. However, it only serves to increase the team’s determination to get out of the storm it is in at the moment to reach calmer waters as soon as possible.
Looking back at the Belgian Grand Prix, once again we talk to the Scuderia’s Head of Race Strategy, Inaki Rueda to understand key moments of the race, starting with the tyre choice.
“The behaviour of the three Pirelli compounds in Spa and, unfortunately, our positions on the grid, actually gave us plenty of flexibility in terms of tyre choice for the start. The safest bet was the Medium, which would have allowed for a relatively early stop to switch to Hards or to go as long as possible in the first stint to then try and finish on the Soft. Starting on the Soft would have been an advantage in the early laps, especially those when DRS was not yet enabled. With both drivers out of Q3, it made sense to split the strategies, so Sebastian went on Mediums and Charles on the Softs, which would also put him in good shape if there was an early neutralisation or one towards the end of the race.”
Charles’s strategy seemed to work. Is that the case?
“Yes, Charles managed to go from 13th (actually 12th as Carlos Sainz did not start) to eighth place in just one lap and it even looked as though he might pass Stroll for seventh. But after that, the car’s shortcomings in terms of performance saw him slip down the order.”
Then there was the incident involving Antonio Giovinazzi and George Russell which brought out the safety car.
“Both drivers were very near turn 17 and therefore close to the pit lane entry: ideally we wanted to bring them in on the same lap and do a double stop, as we did in the second Silverstone race. However, there was an unknown factor to consider, namely the fact that the engine’s pneumatic valve system on Charles’ car was using too much air. His stop would therefore have to be longer, as topping up the system normally adds three seconds. So a double stop would have penalised Sebastian, which is why he stayed out for one more lap. It meant that Charles lost a place to Räikkönen because of topping up the air so that Seb was now in front of his team-mate.”
How does the pneumatic valve air system work?
“Formula 1 engines use air to operate the valves which, as is the case with the oil, can occasionally consume more than normal. The air bottle on the car can be topped up by connecting it to the compressed air system and in the case of the SF1000, the connector is on the left hand side. That’s why on tv, we saw a mechanic attach to the car a sort of jack with a compressed air bottle. These things happen from time to time and we practice these procedures over the course of the race weekend.”
After the first stop, how did the race pan out?
“We put Hards on both cars thinking it was the best option at the time for having a one stop race, but we did not know – and neither did the other teams – how this compound would hold up towards the end. Seb had a pretty lonely race to the flag, hoping that those ahead of him would suffer with a performance drop or make a second stop. Unfortunately, neither of those two scenarios occurred. With Charles we also had the air problem, as his consumption increased again, although not to a dramatic extent. In the position in which he found himself, a second stop seemed a possibility, both in order to make the most of a set of new Mediums and also to avoid the risk of having an air problem in the final laps. At the beginning of the new stint, in clean air, his pace was very good and he set the fourth fastest lap time of the race even though at that point he still had a lot of fuel on board. But given that the Hard held up to the end, for Charles moving up the order remained just a dream and he finished the race practically in the same position he was in at the time of his second stop.”
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Thanks Rob, so that explains it all even though it was a very humiliating and frustrating race for the drivers and for us it was painful in the extreme!
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