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    Quote Originally Posted by samboozik View Post
    I still don't understand how long do engine manufacturers need to reach engine parity, none of them is short on resources and all of them knew how to build great engines in the past (Ferrari, Renault, Honda).
    When Ferrari did challenge Mercedes with enough engine power and even more it turned out they were tricking the fuel flow sensor, so my guess is Mercedes cheated their way to domination and are still doing it, because 8 years and still no other engine manufacturer to match them, it is not logical at all.
    This turbo hybrid platform was discussed years ago in F1.....so far back as Max Mosley and Bernie Eccelstone were still around. Bernie was against the platform but he had no say against the FIA, which is why it was one of the reasons he sold F1 to Liberty Media. Now at that time Italy, Japan, and France were not into hybridization when it came to Motorsports.......but Germany was with the likes of Porsche, Audi and a distant Mercedes. Mercedes jumped on the platform....early.....and someone in the FIA passed it.......along with agreement from Ferrari and Renault......Honda joined in 2015 and were the laughing stock on the F1 grid.

    This turbo hybrid platform was executed with efficiency, performance and reliability by Mercedes. Ferrari had their own platform along with Renault and Honda....but it was'nt like Mercedes to which Honda followed suit in 2017 and Ferrari along with Renault will "copy" the platform in 2022.

    This turbo hybrid era platform is'nt like a the days of just an ICE unit or ICE with KERS platform which offered parity among teams and manufactureres. This turbo hybrid platform was and still is a completely different animal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wisepie View Post
    Thanks for the response, but we have to hope that Ferrari's 2022 engine WILL be on a par with Merc and Honda with the same turbo in the vee layout, otherwise what's the point? There are likely to be hiccups with reliability but Ferrari will have had plenty of time to get it right. I still find it hard to believe that Merc have been able to stay so far ahead for so long, legally!
    YW. I don't see Ferrari and ?Renault being on par with Mercedes until a couple of years....till they work "the bugs out." Honda has gotten the lead on the platform. All VW(Porsche) has to do is just stamp their name on the "new" PU and make upgrades to it along with the help of ex-Mercedes staff working for RedBull's engine dept. facility.

    RedBull will be very competitive with Mercedes in the eingine dept starting in 2022 onwards.....RedBull is playing the long game with it's new engine facility and hiring credible staff.
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    If Perez can win a race from the back; so can either of our drivers. Faith; hope; luck !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6 View Post
    YW. I don't see Ferrari and ?Renault being on par with Mercedes until a couple of years....till they work "the bugs out." Honda has gotten the lead on the platform. All VW(Porsche) has to do is just stamp their name on the "new" PU and make upgrades to it along with the help of ex-Mercedes staff working for RedBull's engine dept. facility.

    RedBull will be very competitive with Mercedes in the eingine dept starting in 2022 onwards.....RedBull is playing the long game with it's new engine facility and hiring credible staff.
    That's as maybe but I sincerely hope that Ferrari's 2022 engine will be on par with Merc and Honda/RB or whoever stamps their name on RB's PU, it will be frozen from the outset so it had better be reliable and powerful from the start, otherwise I ask again, what is the point?

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