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    Quote Originally Posted by samboozik View Post
    I still don't understand how long do engine manufacturers need to reach engine parity, none of them is short on resources and all of them knew how to build great engines in the past (Ferrari, Renault, Honda).
    When Ferrari did challenge Mercedes with enough engine power and even more it turned out they were tricking the fuel flow sensor, so my guess is Mercedes cheated their way to domination and are still doing it, because 8 years and still no other engine manufacturer to match them, it is not logical at all.
    This turbo hybrid platform was discussed years ago in F1.....so far back as Max Mosley and Bernie Eccelstone were still around. Bernie was against the platform but he had no say against the FIA, which is why it was one of the reasons he sold F1 to Liberty Media. Now at that time Italy, Japan, and France were not into hybridization when it came to Motorsports.......but Germany was with the likes of Porsche, Audi and a distant Mercedes. Mercedes jumped on the platform....early.....and someone in the FIA passed it.......along with agreement from Ferrari and Renault......Honda joined in 2015 and were the laughing stock on the F1 grid.

    This turbo hybrid platform was executed with efficiency, performance and reliability by Mercedes. Ferrari had their own platform along with Renault and Honda....but it was'nt like Mercedes to which Honda followed suit in 2017 and Ferrari along with Renault will "copy" the platform in 2022.

    This turbo hybrid era platform is'nt like a the days of just an ICE unit or ICE with KERS platform which offered parity among teams and manufactureres. This turbo hybrid platform was and still is a completely different animal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wisepie View Post
    Thanks for the response, but we have to hope that Ferrari's 2022 engine WILL be on a par with Merc and Honda with the same turbo in the vee layout, otherwise what's the point? There are likely to be hiccups with reliability but Ferrari will have had plenty of time to get it right. I still find it hard to believe that Merc have been able to stay so far ahead for so long, legally!
    YW. I don't see Ferrari and ?Renault being on par with Mercedes until a couple of years....till they work "the bugs out." Honda has gotten the lead on the platform. All VW(Porsche) has to do is just stamp their name on the "new" PU and make upgrades to it along with the help of ex-Mercedes staff working for RedBull's engine dept. facility.

    RedBull will be very competitive with Mercedes in the eingine dept starting in 2022 onwards.....RedBull is playing the long game with it's new engine facility and hiring credible staff.
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    If Perez can win a race from the back; so can either of our drivers. Faith; hope; luck !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6 View Post
    YW. I don't see Ferrari and ?Renault being on par with Mercedes until a couple of years....till they work "the bugs out." Honda has gotten the lead on the platform. All VW(Porsche) has to do is just stamp their name on the "new" PU and make upgrades to it along with the help of ex-Mercedes staff working for RedBull's engine dept. facility.

    RedBull will be very competitive with Mercedes in the eingine dept starting in 2022 onwards.....RedBull is playing the long game with it's new engine facility and hiring credible staff.
    That's as maybe but I sincerely hope that Ferrari's 2022 engine will be on par with Merc and Honda/RB or whoever stamps their name on RB's PU, it will be frozen from the outset so it had better be reliable and powerful from the start, otherwise I ask again, what is the point?

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    Red Bull has recruited five more high profile engineers for their engine programme. All of them have worked at Mercedes AMG HPP before.

    #AMus

    PU Production Director - Steve Blewett
    Head of Powertrains Electronics and ERS - Omid Mostaghimi
    Head of Mechanical Design ERS - Pip Clode
    Head of PU design ICE - Anton Mayo
    Group Leader ICE Operations- Steve Brodie

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    Quote Originally Posted by nani_s23 View Post
    Red Bull has recruited five more high profile engineers for their engine programme. All of them have worked at Mercedes AMG HPP before.

    #AMus

    PU Production Director - Steve Blewett
    Head of Powertrains Electronics and ERS - Omid Mostaghimi
    Head of Mechanical Design ERS - Pip Clode
    Head of PU design ICE - Anton Mayo
    Group Leader ICE Operations- Steve Brodie
    Must be nice to live in the area of F1 teams and engine manufactureres.........an energy drink company taking control of a turbo hybrid PU and hiring ex-Mercedes staff to run it with a possible affilition with Porsche in the future......thngs are looking great for RedBull.
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    Oh God, so Porsche may enter into the F1 fray with RB's Merc-influenced engine and wipe the floor with everyone, just as Ferrari are returning to the WEC and their efforts diluted accordingly. Lovely, just what we needed!

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    Let's not forget that in 2025 the engines will no longer be these complex hybrid lumps so Merc's influence may die out and hopefully engines will become something that Ferrari excel at.

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    Ferrari build great engines no doubt.They had the best hybrid engine in 2019 it was ahead of its time, disgruntled ex employees who were shown the door with one in particular squelling like a pig to mercedes and red bull and we all know what happened after that.If not for the squelling ferrari would be at the front 100%.The 2022 engine will be a beauty until another squeller spills his guts because he is shown the door.As we say loose italian lips sinks ships, in this case ferrari.

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    Do we know who was the whisper?

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    3 races are done for 2021 and Ferrari is heavily focused on the 2022 car already.

    Ferrari has switched ’90-95%’ of resources to its 2022 car

    Mekies: "We’ve switched the large majority of our resources to 2022 already. It doesn’t mean some details won’t change on the car [for this year]. But the focus is on next year. If you want to put a number to it, 90-95% our resources are onto 2022."


    https://the-race.com/formula-1/ferra...-its-2022-car/
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    Ferrari on the podiums 2021 !!! Our drivers are really trying and doing what they can. Even being burdened with Binotto abandoning the current year as hopeless. Both Charles and Carlos want to be Ferrari's drivers come renewal time over and over. I even have faith that Mick will this season get a point or more !!

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