Ferrari F1-75 Discussion Thread

[Gilles]

The way RB quickly mastered porpoising is remarkable. The wind tunnels are limited to 180 km/h and therefore ineffective in solving the problem. I hope Ferrari will do it too

[jgonzalesm6]

The way RB quickly mastered porpoising is remarkable. The wind tunnels are limited to 180 km/h and therefore ineffective in solving the problem. I hope Ferrari will do it too

RedBull did'nt stiffen their rear suspension. I've seen a twitter feed of their rear suspension "absorbing" the porpoising issue.

[Gilles]

RedBull did'nt stiffen their rear suspension. I've seen a twitter feed of their rear suspension "absorbing" the porpoising issue.

Wasn't it a fluid story?

[jgonzalesm6]

Wasn't it a fluid story?

They are using a special fluid to include dampers and a suspension geometry for this porpoising issue. On the twitter feed showing the rear suspension, you can see ths suspesnion moving up and down at higher speeds but the car remains stable.

[tpe]

This was a an April fools post

[Gilles]

Possible, i saw that me too, but as it seems illegal, i didn't look more

[Gilles]

You surely saw that the Ferrari engine was looking stronger than before in the last Q3. Have you seen the last picture of this engine, the one with what seems to be a cylindrical intercooler?

[Gilles]

https://www.formulapassion.it/opinio...en-612562.html
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[Gilles]

Well, I don't know if they really push the engine, maybe it's all relative to the aero tuning. It seems to me that they have reduced the rake, do you also have this impression? If this is the case, this could explain the gain observed in straight.

[Gilles]

Regarding the cylinder visible on the last photo of the engine, for me it can only be the intercooler, because its two outputs directly supply the plenums. As there seems to be space between this intercooler and the engine, the compressor could be located there, also because the theory saying that it would be inside the V (air box) poses the problem of its diameter. One day we will know

[KingCharles]

What makes me happy about this car is that we have not rushed like RB and thrown everything and anything at the car. Loving this new team.

[Tifoso]

Unfortunately we live in the instant gratification era. We are in great shape give it some time . Couldn’t have asked for a better start to the season. Forza Ferrari!

Welcome aboard.

[SFTifoso]

So it seems the RB burst a high pressure fuel pipe. If that engine ran lean and knocked, it is compromised now. So they have 2 options, play it safe and use a new engine. Risk it and hope you didn’t checked every part. One microscopic crack could lead to a spectacular blow out.

[stefa]

https://twitter.com/FanaticsFerrari/...vVo1UFEAg&s=19

[stefa]

https://twitter.com/FanaticsFerrari/...V5b-JJX6A&s=19

[SFTifoso]

https://twitter.com/FanaticsFerrari/...V5b-JJX6A&s=19

Would love a nice boring Ferrari 1-2 in Britain. And that track suit us too!

[stefa]

Would love a nice boring Ferrari 1-2 in Britain. And that track suit us too!

Would like nice boring 1-2 on every track!!!

[JacKy]

I ve just checked Leclerc’s last lap footage

He has reached 320 Km/s with DRS + little tow from haas.

And there is not a single porpoising despite reaching 320 km/s

So the porpoising we have between T8 to T9 is definetly track surface related.

[FerrariF60]

Would like nice boring 1-2 on every track!!!

I’m with you on this one Stefa

[aroutis]

Would love a nice boring Ferrari 1-2 in Britain. And that track suit us too!

A 1-2 Ferrari in Silverstone, with our cars (if possible) lapping the Mercs specifically.
Ah, that would be excellent :D

[Cavallino]

I ve just checked Leclerc’s last lap footage

He has reached 320 Km/s with DRS + little tow from haas.

And there is not a single porpoising despite reaching 320 km/s

So the porpoising we have between T8 to T9 is definetly track surface related.

if it doesn't happen when the DRS is activated, that means it is related to the more downforce you put on the car. So Red Bull is also less effected by porposing because of the lack of downforce.

[Gilles]

if it doesn't happen when the DRS is activated, that means it is related to the more downforce you put on the car. So Red Bull is also less effected by porposing because of the lack of downforce.

Right, there is also less reasons for porposing when the fuel tank is empty, like in the last lap

[Tony]

Right, there is also less reasons for porposing when the fuel tank is empty, like in the last lap

Ok that's the part my non-scientific head doesn't understand. I would have thought the porpoising would have been worse with less fuel because the fuel in the tank adds weight and could act as a dampener?

[Tony]

Just a thought, is there a rule governing the amount wind tunnel time / CFD time dedicated to a particular project that is overseen by the FIA? Just thinking out loud though, but if this trend continues and Ferrari continues to have an advantage througout the year, is there anything stopping them from using whatever is left from this years budget to start working on the 2022 project so that they can keep their advantage going into next year or does the FIA govern what you spend time working on related to your budget? If that's not governed, it's great news for Ferrari who can finish higher than last year but still have the benefit of more wind tunnel testing dedicated to next years project!

Just wanted to clarify what I'm saying, I understand the windtunnel time is governed by the position from last year, what I mean is, is there something stopping Ferrari from using part of its 2022 budget (if there's anything left) to next year's project?

[Gilles]

Ok that's the part my non-scientific head doesn't understand. I would have thought the porpoising would have been worse with less fuel because the fuel in the tank adds weight and could act as a dampener?

And somehow you're right
But, in another way, with soft springs, a fuel load of more than 100 kg decreases the ride height of the car, which increases the effect of the venturi channels and therefore the porposing

[JacKy]

if it doesn't happen when the DRS is activated, that means it is related to the more downforce you put on the car. So Red Bull is also less effected by porposing because of the lack of downforce.

We had the porpoising between T8 to T9 even with DRS in Free Practices.

My point is track surface is a bit more bumpy out there.

I cannot imagine what will going to happen track like COTA. Even last year cars war jumping up and down in USA

[Tony]

And somehow you're right
But, in another way, with soft springs, a fuel load of more than 100 kg decreases the ride height of the car, which increases the effect of the venturi channels and therefore the porposing

Nice, thank you :)

[Gilles]

Just a thought, is there a rule governing the amount wind tunnel time / CFD time dedicated to a particular project that is overseen by the FIA? Just thinking out loud though, but if this trend continues and Ferrari continues to have an advantage througout the year, is there anything stopping them from using whatever is left from this years budget to start working on the 2022 project so that they can keep their advantage going into next year or does the FIA govern what you spend time working on related to your budget? If that's not governed, it's great news for Ferrari who can finish higher than last year but still have the benefit of more wind tunnel testing dedicated to next years project!

Just wanted to clarify what I'm saying, I understand the windtunnel time is governed by the position from last year, what I mean is, is there something stopping Ferrari from using part of its 2022 budget (if there's anything left) to next year's project?

I was wondering the same. Still early to say it but not impossible

[Gilles]

We had the porpoising between T8 to T9 even with DRS in Free Practices.

My point is track surface is a bit more bumpy out there.

I cannot imagine what will going to happen track like COTA. Even last year cars war jumping up and down in USA

Bumps could eventualy feed the resonance phenomenon, acting as a starter or an amplifier, it could make sense.
Also, bumps could add their own jumping motions in addition to porpoising, making cars impossible to drive. It would be ugly if it's true

[JacKy]

Rumors says we won’t introduce any Update in Imola. As there is limited time to prepare before Sprint race.