Ferrari F1-75 Discussion Thread

[Gilles]

yeah, that was it. unfortunately that's not the 2022 challenger.

Unfortunately no chance to see the car now
Also, i really hope to see more originality in it

[Gilles]

A "whistleblower" inside Ferrari leaked it.

That's what i read too

[Gilles]

Was the Ferrari / Fia engine agreement only been secret for reputation reasons?
We have often seen Mercedes drive an entire year with an innovation before its ban.
The way Ferrari ran its engine was deemed illegal and possibly banned because it gave a huge advantage in 2019, without prior submission to Fia.
I do not believe that Binotto is stupid and if he accepted such a sanction, it may be that he only inherited the stuation, but also that he received the commitment that this thing could be legal, in one form or another, by 2022.
It could also be the hidden reason why competitors demanded to know about the deal.
I fear that the Fia was not completely sealed and that in addition to the time that had elapsed, the others could have worked on this subject (there was a meeting with people from Mercedes, on the subject of SF engine without SF be invited)
But it could be that Ferrari still hopes to recover an advantage

The more i think about that the less i believe it. Just stupid

[JPZ]

A "whistleblower" inside Ferrari leaked it.

Hope Ferrari identified this person and kicked them out.

[Kyss4k]

Hope Ferrari identified this person and kicked them out.

And kicked their bottoms.

[20000rpm]

A "whistleblower" inside Ferrari leaked it.

Bloody moles!!! They are everywhere.
Wished we had some moles leaking info from Mercedes or Red Bull if they violated the rules.
Wishful thinking, I know

[aroutis]

I seriously doubt there is a "rupture" of any sort between Elkann and Binotto's relationship, over JT.
Was there some sort of scenario including JT joining back the Scuderia? Absolutely.
Did it come to fruition? for whatever the reason, no.

Basically, that's all there is to it, anything more is pure sensationalism.

[Gilles]

Reflexion about what would be the new car :
It seems that is now impossible to seal the side of the floor with vortex. So, it should be the end of rake
As result, it become important to control ground clearence, meaning suspensions work and lowering the CG location will be more important than before
Lower tyres degradation will help for pushing on track, also because more fuel would be inboard at the race starts (no more fear to destroy tires when running a full tank and then, more power to use)
No more to have to bend tyres to heat them (good thing)
The chanels location aren't on the center of the car, so it would be dificult to not have understeer, even with near zero wing at the rear end : find load on the front of the car would be a solution to balance it, but how? Possible new aero system? Balance the car without lost floor load or adding drag would be the challenge?
Like it was not enought complicated, the rear wing could help working the diffuser, but there is less need of it's load with floor chanels and again it has to be balanced at the front end
Am i right?
Any idea?

[PURE PASSION]

The new Ferrari track livery has black on the back. Is this a hint of the new cars livery???
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[Tony]

Some news if not already discussed:

https://thejudge13.com/2022/01/24/ru...-for-2022/amp/

https://f1i.com/news/430863-ferrari-...-test.html/amp

[paolo lalli]

Dr death marko already assessing ferraris chances as poor for 2022.Lets see i can't wait for his return serve when ferrari are right at the pointy end.I actually see red bull as one of the top teams to start slowly.They put overtime into last year's car and this will come at a cost.Dr death time to retire.

[Tony]

Dr death marko already assessing ferraris chances as poor for 2022.Lets see i can't wait for his return serve when ferrari are right at the pointy end.I actually see red bull as one of the top teams to start slowly.They put overtime into last year's car and this will come at a cost.Dr death time to retire.

I'm not defending his comments by a long-shot, but I guess if you go by past history, you'll be right more often than not if you say that Ferrari wont win a title in the current year. You can make the same prediction really about any team other than Mercedes and Red Bull who have both been the teams to beat over the last decade and more.

Although in this case, with a bit of a reset from a regulations standpoint, it's quite a bold statement to make. Not sure what he's basing that on, but Ferrari's staff does tend to have loose lips lol...

[Gilles]

Some news if not already discussed:

https://thejudge13.com/2022/01/24/ru...-for-2022/amp/

https://f1i.com/news/430863-ferrari-...-test.html/amp

Interesting, thanks
Unfortunatly, i'm not sure to anderstand that load transfert (from front to rear as from rear to front)
Any idea?

[Redfive]

My hopes and dreams for 2022?
Ferrari WCC and Sainz WDC (or Leclerc)

but if that's not possible then I don't care who wins as long as it's not Mercedes.

[Gilles]

My hopes and dreams for 2022?
Ferrari WCC and Sainz WDC (or Leclerc)

but if that's not possible then I don't care who wins as long as it's not Mercedes.

Think we must be patient to kwow where we are. This year could be particular. We will see were everyone is at the first race, but whith work to anderstand car, making it working, find and solve it's weaknesses, anderstand and react to others teams ideas, budget cap, possible ramping up from Rb and Mercerder,...,things could fluctuate a lot. Sure 2023 will be more "quiet"
SF have a chance this year, they must catch it.
On One side they have been working years on this project, maybe more than others, one the other side the new rules lottery factor is a major unknow

[20000rpm]

I'm not defending his comments by a long-shot, but I guess if you go by past history, you'll be right more often than not if you say that Ferrari wont win a title in the current year. You can make the same prediction really about any team other than Mercedes and Red Bull who have both been the teams to beat over the last decade and more.

Although in this case, with a bit of a reset from a regulations standpoint, it's quite a bold statement to make. Not sure what he's basing that on, but Ferrari's staff does tend to have loose lips lol...

Agreed. He's stating his views based on our past record which hasn't been great to be honest. It is the job of Ferrari F1 to turn this pre-fixed mindset to one with a optimistic mindset where we can challenge the top teams.
Nevertheless, being cautiously optimistic here. Been through this road before, don't want that to happen again.

[Tony]

Interesting, thanks
Unfortunatly, i'm not sure to anderstand that load transfert (from front to rear as from rear to front)
Any idea?

Unfortunately, I don't have much in the way of technical knowledge in the sport. Let's hope it's true though! I wonder who the 2nd team?

[Gilles]

Unfortunately, I don't have much in the way of technical knowledge in the sport. Let's hope it's true though! I wonder who the 2nd team?

In this article, near all seems possible to me, in line with what we can imagine with the new rules, giving credit to it
But not the whole article : i can't imagine there is people currently able to know what all teams have done, so read that two teams found trick... And as said, i don't anderstand the last paragraph on aerodynamic load repartition changing with speed. Until i'll read a credible explanation for that, i will be cautious
That's what i anderstand by now from this interesting article

[Gilles]

Agreed. He's stating his views based on our past record which hasn't been great to be honest. It is the job of Ferrari F1 to turn this pre-fixed mindset to one with a optimistic mindset where we can challenge the top teams.
Nevertheless, being cautiously optimistic here. Been through this road before, don't want that to happen again.

When Marko denigrates Ferrari, I think it's a good sign. He must think we can get in the way of RB.
Similarly, his comments on Leclerc are intended to try to destabilize our pilots

[Toothlessrage*]

When Marko denigrates Ferrari, I think it's a good sign. He must think we can get in the way of RB.
Similarly, his comments on Leclerc are intended to try to destabilize our pilots

Absolutely!

Just recently it's come out that Red Bull OBJECTED to Ferrari SF21 test at Fiorano. (https://youtu.be/dPpHEq8irKM)
Showing that RBR is keeping a close eye on us.

Also, watching Maro berate Charles and praise Carlos is just to create destabilization within the team.

[Toothlessrage*]

If anyone here understands the language of this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQh91JW7Fuc
Could you give us a summary?

Thank you!

[Gilles]

If anyone here understands the language of this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQh91JW7Fuc
Could you give us a summary?

Thank you!

What i have anderstood :
Nice video descibing situation and some 2022 speculations, ending with a kind of track test report with drivers after-test comments and 2022 wishes
I would say nothing really new and Olcay Tuncay's car renders

[wisepie]

If anyone here understands the language of this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQh91JW7Fuc
Could you give us a summary?

Thank you!

I agree with what Gilles has said, nothing we don't know or haven't heard already, not even sure how accurate the image of the car might be.

[Toothlessrage*]

What i anderstood :
Nice video descibing situation and some 2022 speculations, ending with a kind of track test report with drivers after-test comments and 2022 wishes
I would say nothing really new and Olcay Tuncay's car renders

Thank you!

[Toothlessrage*]

I agree with what Gilles has said, nothing we don't know or haven't heard already, not even sure how accurate the image of the car might be.

I agree too!

[Gilles]

I agree with what Gilles has said, nothing we don't know or haven't heard already, not even sure how accurate the image of the car might be.

Saw the vid rapidly, but the car seem's to be Tunkay's one (everywhere on the web)

[Gilles]

These days, there is a rumour on a triangular air intake.
Possible, SF use it recently, seems they like it
Better rear wing flow, better CG, less drag.
One the other hand, require to catch some cooling air somewhere, like into bellies.
I saw what seems to be Mclaren sidepods, they were very thin.
It's possible that all teams are going that way, in this case, SF did not choose the easier way. They could have conpensate by using a different layout, maybe the "architecture" Binotto was saying, for car's coponents and also engine.
They could have done ultra compact cooling like in sf1000 (it never worked)
Possibly also something in the location or/and the size of the intercooler
Also Binotto said the new engine need less cooling (probably can't alone be enought)

Very impatient to see the concepts

[FerrariF60]

Why oh why would yiu call it F1-75?

Reminds me of 2011 when they called it F150th....and we all know how good that “dog” was....
I understand that is 75 years celebration but still

I would have much preferred F2022

Let’s hope is a beast and is super FAST

[WS6TransAm01]

Why oh why would yiu call it F1-75?

Reminds me of 2011 when they called it F150th....and we all know how good that “dog” was....
I understand that is 75 years celebration but still

I would have much preferred F2022

Let’s hope is a beast and is super FAST

Saw that on FB as well this morning. Seems like after the year 2000 every time Ferrari give their F1 cars some special anniversary name they suck the big one. F150°, F138, F60, F14T, SF1000. I agree, F2022 would have been better. Maybe SF22.

[tifosi1993]

Saw that on FB as well this morning. Seems like after the year 2000 every time Ferrari give their F1 cars some special anniversary name they suck the big one. F150°, F138, F60, F14T, SF1000. I agree, F2022 would have been better. Maybe SF22.

And where is the SF70 in your list of names and why have you excluded it? And F14T wasn't any "special anniversary name".

I think F1-75 sounds cool. The naming is fighter jet esque and sound better than Ferrari F-twenty twenty two.