Italian GP 2021 : Race

[ferrari1.8t]

Stewards say Max made his move too late and was therefore not entitled to have space left for him...seriously LOL I am struggling to understand that reasoning?

No reasoning other than Hamilton must win at all costs. No one is allowed to race him, everyone must move over for golden boy. Reminds me of when Hamilton was gifted the Canadian GP win. Joke.

[tifosi1993]

Hopefully the engine upgrade is set for Turkey. The tracks that are coming should suit our car nicely, and with the extra power we should be fighting for the wins.

[ferrari1.8t]

Hopefully the engine upgrade is set for Turkey. The tracks that are coming should suit our car nicely, and with the extra power we should be fighting for the wins.

Let’s hope so. I saw a post today; Ferrari’s last win was 721 days ago. Red Bull, Mercedes, Racing Point, Alpha Tauri, Apine and McLaren have all won a race since. Sad.

[330 p4]

I have been saying it for years…complete joke this sport is. Max did not deserve a penalty for that incident. The FIA will do absolutely anything to gift Hamilton as many race wins and championships as possible. The sport is losing credibility by the day. How much longer do we need to put up with this Ham-FIA-Merc-Pirelli show? What a sham.

3 place penalty will not really help Ferrari, if he qualify 1st does he start 4th? With that start in Russia he may well be leading after turn 1. Good news is those 2 at the front may have a few more collisions, hopefully at a race where Ferrari are best of the rest so they could sneak a win.

[Warp]

Binotto said we have 20 HP deficit.

[ferrari1.8t]

3 place penalty will not really help Ferrari, if he qualify 1st does he start 4th? With that start in Russia he may well be leading after turn 1. Good news is those 2 at the front may have a few more collisions, hopefully at a race where Ferrari are best of the rest so they could sneak a win.

Nothing will help Ferrari if all the powers that be continue to want only 1 person to win. A new engine with 100+ Hp advantage couldn’t help us. The quicker Ham gets his 8th, breaks all the records possible and retires the better it will be for everyone who likes F1. Just get it over with so other teams finally have a fair chance.

[Bikus]

“For anyone who thought I left - I never left. I just moved aside for a while " DR



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[330 p4]

Nothing will help Ferrari if all the powers that be continue to want only 1 person to win. A new engine with 100+ Hp advantage couldn’t help us. The quicker Ham gets his 8th, breaks all the records possible and retires the better it will be for everyone who likes F1. Just get it over with so other teams finally have a fair chance.

Does feel like that. Half expecting next year Ferrari will be quickest before Merc kick and scream and get half the stuff removed.

[DIEK]

@ Diek, get the DHL Crying award ready. Hamilton already crying that the RedBull had been updated and his Mercedes has nothing. According to Hamilton, it will be an easy win for Verstappen! Ham knows a few things about easy wins lol.

Ey, dint' read this! :D

[330 p4]

God damn that tyre mark hairstyle picture is pure comical genius.mk-1428949995.png

[SS454]

I have been saying it for years…complete joke this sport is. Max did not deserve a penalty for that incident. The FIA will do absolutely anything to gift Hamilton as many race wins and championships as possible. The sport is losing credibility by the day. How much longer do we need to put up with this Ham-FIA-Merc-Pirelli show? What a sham.

When a collision can be argued equally from both sides and both drivers could have equally avoided the collisions just as much as they equally caused it, it's a clear cut racing incident. A penalty is joke to the sport and just more fuel to those that believe the FIA is corrupt and want Lewis Hamilton to win.

[20000rpm]

After this ridiculous penalty for Max, no one can not tell me that FIA and every one else are not biased towards Mercedes and LH?!?!??!

Agreed. If this incident qualified for penalty, then so did Silverstone. Clearly, it seems FiA seems to be a lot biased when deciding whom and how much a driver should be penalised. If it challenges Ham, max penalty.
So if today it's Max who is penalised, tomorrow it can be Charles or Sainz if they ever get close to Ham

[Brembo]

It appears the F I A is coming up absolutely short on gifting Lewis as many race wins as possible! Max now has 7 wins and is ahead on points in 1st place. The F-1 show is now great as far as the next races and who will win. Even Dan got a win! So as of now there's no more fans putting up with a Merc F I A show. Both drivers alive and well ! Meanwhile another 5 D N F s and Russell again gets in the points! Waiting 2 weeks is tooo long!!

[Brembo]

It appears the F I A is coming up absolutely short on gifting Lewis as many race wins as possible! Max now has 7 wins and is ahead on points in 1st place. The F-1 show is now great as far as the next races and who will win. Even Dan got a win! So as of now there's no more fans putting up with a Merc F I A show. Both drivers alive and well ! Meanwhile another 5 D N F s and Russell again gets in the points! Waiting 2 weeks is tooo long!!

[tifosi1993]

What a tasteless post. Would it be funny if someone posts "vegetable" memes regarding Schumacher's current condition? No it wouldn't be.

Racing drivers put their lives on the line every time. So show some damn respect.

[tifosi1993]

Binotto said we have 20 HP deficit.

We'll get a big jump in performance with the upcoming upgrade. Even if it's 15HP, it will make a huge difference.

[ntukza]

I hope people will finally give Ferrari some credit. The developments or upgrades aren't un-restricted, Ferrari couldn't do what they wanted with the car, it's still pretty much last year's chassis, only more refined. But here we are, battling with Mercedes and Honda powered cars with our current power deficit.

We also have a generational talent who's pushing and getting everything out of the car. Next year can't come soon enough.

+1

[ntukza]

What, do you really think a McLaren 1-2 is better for us instead of them being 2-3 ???

No, my apologies, I misunderstood the original point but I get it now.

[ntukza]

Can't believe that Damon Hill is accusing max of taking Lewis out on purpose

Yeah that was appalling. And none of his colleagues called him out on it, which was also disappointing.

[ntukza]

Stewards say Max made his move too late and was therefore not entitled to have space left for him...seriously LOL I am struggling to understand that reasoning?

I'm not sure about that either but looking at the footage I believe Max was going for "a space that was always going to close" so I must agree that he's at fault. He should have backed out.

[killer]

I'm not sure about that either but looking at the footage I believe Max was going for "a space that was always going to close" so I must agree that he's at fault. He should have backed out.

Switchback was available to Lewis. His move to the left right after the pit exit line I think shows Max had made his move by then and Lewis saw this—no reason to take the defensive (blocking?) line otherwise.

[jgonzalesm6]

I'm not sure about that either but looking at the footage I believe Max was going for "a space that was always going to close" so I must agree that he's at fault. He should have backed out.

So at Silverstone2021 Copse corner between Lewis and Max, Max had the lead and driving line and Lewis went for the inside line or space...both doing well over 180mph. Lewis left front tire clips Max's right rear tire sending Max into the barriers at 51g's.

Who's at fault? All I'm asking for is consistency. The stewards ruled Lewis at fault but the penalties between Silverstone2021 and Monza 2021 are entirely different and LOOKS biased towards Lewis IMO.

[jgonzalesm6]

Yeah that was appalling. And none of his colleagues called him out on it, which was also disappointing.

Agreed. Unbecoming of Damon Hill.

[Greig]

Max and Lewis will probably take engine penalties at Russia anyway

[ntukza]

So at Silverstone2021 Copse corner between Lewis and Max, Max had the lead and driving line and Lewis went for the inside line or space...both doing well over 180mph. Lewis left front tire clips Max's right rear tire sending Max into the barriers at 51g's.

Who's at fault? All I'm asking for is consistency. The stewards ruled Lewis at fault but the penalties between Silverstone2021 and Monza 2021 are entirely different and LOOKS biased towards Lewis IMO.

To answer your question, Lewis was at fault at Silverstone.

[SS454]

So at Silverstone2021 Copse corner between Lewis and Max, Max had the lead and driving line and Lewis went for the inside line or space...both doing well over 180mph. Lewis left front tire clips Max's right rear tire sending Max into the barriers at 51g's.

Who's at fault? All I'm asking for is consistency. The stewards ruled Lewis at fault but the penalties between Silverstone2021 and Monza 2021 are entirely different and LOOKS biased towards Lewis IMO.

Silverstone was different. Lewis went for a pass and Max gave him room, yet Lewis still slid up the track and crashed into Max. It was Lewis' fault and he got a penalty for it. Too bad a 10 second penalty and a red flag to fix his car and change tires was nothing more than a slap on the wrist. A 3 second grid penalty could be worth a hell of a lot more than 10 seconds and Max should never been handed a penalty. The way the Stewards have it, a 10 second penalty is the 2nd most lenient penalty that can be given in the race. Since Max was out of the race, they gave a 3 place grid penalty which is the most lenient penalty they could give him. Compare that to Bottas getting a 5 place grid penalty for taking out a bunch of cars in Hungary.

The penalty system itself is wrong, but there is for sure major inconsistencies in how they are handed out.

[ntukza]

Silverstone was different. Lewis went for a pass and Max gave him room, yet Lewis still slid up the track and crashed into Max. It was Lewis' fault and he got a penalty for it. Too bad a 10 second penalty and a red flag to fix his car and change tires was nothing more than a slap on the wrist. A 3 second grid penalty could be worth a hell of a lot more than 10 seconds and Max should never been handed a penalty. The way the Stewards have it, a 10 second penalty is the 2nd most lenient penalty that can be given in the race. Since Max was out of the race, they gave a 3 place grid penalty which is the most lenient penalty they could give him. Compare that to Bottas getting a 5 place grid penalty for taking out a bunch of cars in Hungary.

The penalty system itself is wrong, but there is for sure major inconsistencies in how they are handed out.

Thanks for this. Quite helpful.