2022 F1 news/rumours

[JPZ]

So Red Bull was over budget by about $7.25 million last year.

If they continued to use the same 'procedural' calculations, were they over budget this year as well?

[stefa]

Confirmed. RedBull and Aston Martin have breached the cost cap.

https://twitter.com/skysportsf1/stat...688557058?s=21

People defending RedBull because it’s “minor”. Really doesn’t matter, a breach is a breach. They spent more than other teams and gained an advantage by doing so. Curious to see the penalties; if any.

Kill is a kill! It can not be just a little kill!

[Greig]

LOL at those who spent all year attacking Ferrari for not breaching the cap with the "the FIA will never know" talk.

[WS6TransAm01]

LOL at those who spent all year attacking Ferrari for not breaching the cap with the "the FIA will never know" talk.

Is the FIA going to take away Max's championship last year? This year? No.

So who cares what they know. RBR did what needed to be done, won and that is all that matters.

[stefa]

Is the FIA going to take away Max's championship last year? This year? No.

So who cares what they know. RBR did what needed to be done, won and that is all that matters.

Exactly! Nothing will happen! They will got slight slap on the wrist and a no, no!

[RossTheBoss]

LOL at those who spent all year attacking Ferrari for not breaching the cap with the "the FIA will never know" talk.

Nobody ever said that.

Budget cap is like when team orders were "banned". Teams still did it. As long as they were sneaky about it and didn't rub the sports nose it, the FIA were never going to take away a win or a championship over it, and the budget cap is the same way.

The only thing worse than breaking a rule on your own and being caught, is to be the only team following a rule. It means you're being played for a chump by your comptetion. Mercedes did one update at Silverstone last year, while RBR schooled them and updated through the whole summer. They assumed Mercedes had a trick up their sleeves that was in the grey of the rules, and indeed that was the case in the form of the "spicy engine".

Mercedes learned their lesson after getting burned, and assumed RBR would go over budget again, and this year Mercedes brought update after update, after update to regain their form. Ferrari just sat back and went "no fair!".

[Greig]

Bit of a myth that Merc has update after update this season though.

[RossTheBoss]

Bit of a myth that Merc has update after update this season though.

A myth that Mercedes brought tons and tons of updates this season?

[jgonzalesm6]

Teams in compliance: Mercedes, Ferrari, McLaren, Alpine, AlphaTauri, Alfa Romeo, Williams, Haas

Teams in procedural breach: Aston Martin

Teams in procedural and minor overspend breach: Red Bull FIA confirms a procedural breach + minor overspend breach (so within 5%) of the financial regulations by Red Bull for 2021.




"Procedural Breaches can result in Financial Penalties and/or Minor Sporting Penalties (in case of aggravating factors) as detailed in the Financial Regulation.

"Minor Overspend breach (<5% Cost Cap) can result in Financial Penalties and/or Minor Sporting Penalties"

[Greig]

A myth that Mercedes brought tons and tons of updates this season?

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Yeah just because you "claim" it does not make it true.

[WS6TransAm01]

Nobody ever said that.

Budget cap is like when team orders were "banned". Teams still did it. As long as they were sneaky about it and didn't rub the sports nose it, the FIA were never going to take away a win or a championship over it, and the budget cap is the same way.

The only thing worse than breaking a rule on your own and being caught, is to be the only team following a rule. It means you're being played for a chump by your comptetion. Mercedes did one update at Silverstone last year, while RBR schooled them and updated through the whole summer. They assumed Mercedes had a trick up their sleeves that was in the grey of the rules, and indeed that was the case in the form of the "spicy engine".

Mercedes learned their lesson after getting burned, and assumed RBR would go over budget again, and this year Mercedes brought update after update, after update to regain their form. Ferrari just sat back and went "no fair!".

Exactly!

RBR paid no mind to the Cost Cap and won, no one will take away their titles. Im soooooooooooooooooo glad Ferrari kept to the cap. It worked wonders for them. Was it worth it?

[RossTheBoss]

Yeah just because you "claim" it does not make it true.

Just because you're blind doesn't mean other people have to hold your hand and explain something everyone else here saw but you.

I'd give a rundown of all the parts Mercedes brought compared to Ferrari, but I'd be talking to a brick wall.

[Greig]

Just because you're blind doesn't mean other people have to hold your hand and explain something everyone else here saw but you.

I'd give a rundown of all the parts Mercedes brought compared to Ferrari, but I'd be talking to a brick wall.

Go on then

[RossTheBoss]

Go on then

Why? You'll just go "you don't how much it cost them".

[jgonzalesm6]

Exactly!

RBR paid no mind to the Cost Cap and won, no one will take away their titles. Im soooooooooooooooooo glad Ferrari kept to the cap. It worked wonders for them. Was it worth it?

yep. The FIA will fine Redbull and Redbull will pay up. End of story. Meanwhile, Max retains both titles and Redbull keeps their WCC title for 2022.

[evo_spook]

https://twitter.com/fanaticsferrari/...qtKtEne0daxb7w

Ferrari will soon present a dossier to the FIA regarding the estimated spending of each team since the start of the season.

Ferrari wishes to highlight the expenditure of each team for R&D and upgrades since the start of the season, primarily focusing on Red Bull.

[paolo lalli]

Fi is becoming a farce shrouded in politics covered in controversy led by the FIA whom make it up as they go along.Rules are rules break them pay the price.Red bull over spent that over spend although minor was probably the difference between ferrari and red bulls performance, 1.8 million dollars in f1 is minor that initself is ridiculous. Just goes to show how out of touch the sport has become.Red bull have broken the rules deliberately knowing probably that a slap on the wrist is coming one that was prediscussed and planned knowing full well that they could well afford it moving foward for the 2023 season.Lets just say they won't get another opportunity again., because caught a second time the F IA will have no choice but to throw the book at them,so calling all other teams its your turns next year one go each.LOL.

[RossTheBoss]

Ferrari brought no updates from Bahrain testing all the way to Barcelona, where they changed the floor, rear wing, and brake winglet. The brought second rear wing to Canada, then a second new floor, mirrors, engine bonnet, floor fence, and spidepod undercut. Then a rear wing for Monza and the latest floor.

Mercedes had a whole package in Bahrain of 2 whole sidepod and cooling concepts, with a new floor and diffuser and front wing. They came to Jeddah with a new rear wing. Miami they changed front and rear wings completely. Then Mercedes changed their floor, and front and rear wings again. At Silverstone they updated the rear suspension, front and rear wings AGAIN, along with a new floor. They brought a new nose to France. Mercedes then brought ANOTHER new floor, floor fence, and front and rear wings to Spa.

There is no friggin' way in any world where logic applies that Mercedes didn't spend millions more than Ferrari in development. Allison is good, but he's not that damn good that Mercedes could bring twice the updates Ferrari and Red Bull did for the same cost. Anyone that buys that is a total idiot.

[RossTheBoss]

https://twitter.com/fanaticsferrari/...qtKtEne0daxb7w

Ferrari will soon present a dossier to the FIA regarding the estimated spending of each team since the start of the season.

Ferrari wishes to highlight the expenditure of each team for R&D and upgrades since the start of the season, primarily focusing on Red Bull.

That's old. Never happened.

[WS6TransAm01]

yep. The FIA will fine Redbull and Redbull will pay up. End of story. Meanwhile, Max retains both titles and Redbull keeps their WCC title for 2022.

Exactly. And they will do it again and again. Let's say they have to pay a file of double what they overspent. They will gladly sign the check while holding the championship trophy under their arm.

https://twitter.com/fanaticsferrari/...qtKtEne0daxb7w

Ferrari will soon present a dossier to the FIA regarding the estimated spending of each team since the start of the season.

Ferrari wishes to highlight the expenditure of each team for R&D and upgrades since the start of the season, primarily focusing on Red Bull.

So instead of working hard to win, they kept track of other teams so that they can snitch at the end? For what end goal? To lose and have the FIA give them the title because while being losers they were good boys?

Snitches get Stiches!

[nani_s23]

yep. The FIA will fine Redbull and Redbull will pay up. End of story. Meanwhile, Max retains both titles and Redbull keeps their WCC title for 2022.

RB got the titles last year & current year .. probably next year too.
They don’t care about fine now.

As Mattia said every amount you spend it gives you some performance on the track. Whether it’s minor or major it’s irrespective.

Atleast now Mattia & Toto should fight hard in bringing down RB. This is the best chance for them, lobby as much as you can.

[jgonzalesm6]

Not--> Even --> Close.

If you can't comprehend the difference between technological loopholes and overspending more than allocated budget, then I don't why you're even bothering with a sport like F1. The former is a clever interpretation of the rules and the latter is a blatant way of cheating.

Just like mass damper, active suspension, DAS, Fric suspension etc etc Ferrari had found out a loophole and exploited it. And the FIA dealt with that matter the same way they have been dealing with these "clever impetrations", banning it without elaborating much.

But spending more than the allocated budget under the name of power train development or Red Bull technologies and what not and using that knowledge in F1 is nothing but cheating. Doesn't matter if Red Bull says there spending money on different divisions of their organization, if the knowledge from those "divisions" are being used to develop their F1 car.

F1 is about pushing the envelope and beyond. Redbull kept it under the 5% so they'll get a fine.....big deal! They're in it to win it.

Maybe Mercedes and Ferrari will follow suit.

[SS454]

Bit of a myth that Merc has update after update this season though.

Except it happened. Ferrari have brought plenty of updates as well, but many of those were small things like mirrors. Mercedes brought a lot of floor upgrades which are pretty major, but lets not forget they designed and built 2 completely different cars in preseason alone.

If you are making that comment off the budget cap, the results are for 2021, not 2022.

[Silent Bob]

Exactly. And they will do it again and again. Let's say they have to pay a file of double what they overspent. They will gladly sign the check while holding the championship trophy under their arm.



So instead of working hard to win, they kept track of other teams so that they can snitch at the end? For what end goal? To lose and have the FIA give them the title because while being losers they were good boys?

Snitches get Stiches!

I think the point is to make.sure RB get enough of a penalty that it will hinder or affect their performances in the coming years. Hopefully Binotto and the other TPs will keep on the FIA until they hand out a proper punishment.

[paolo lalli]

Red bull are prepared for the punishment this was all preconceived there over spend secrets are nicely hidden away and will appear next year in a non conspicuous way there mission has been accomplished both championships but most importantly max double world champion to keep there N1 stable.

[Rishu]

They should be stripped off constructors atleast. Minor breach or not, rules have been broken

[tifosi1993]

F1 is about pushing the envelope and beyond. Redbull kept it under the 5% so they'll get a fine.....big deal! They're in it to win it.

Maybe Mercedes and Ferrari will follow suit.

LMAO. 5% or not, they have still overspent by over a million. It could be anything between 2-7.5 million. Quite a big deal.

Ferrari and Mercedes can easily spend millions. Hell, Ferrari have a test track of their own.

But I agree, if Red Bull get a slap on the wrist for their blatant disregard for the budget cap, then Ferrari should follow suit and overspent by as much they can.

[Riccardog]

LOL at those who spent all year attacking Ferrari for not breaching the cap with the "the FIA will never know" talk.

the bottom line here is, HOW long did it take for fia to realize the breach??? and do you REALLY think RB will be stripped of their title?

[Greig]

the bottom line here is, HOW long did it take for fia to realize the breach??? and do you REALLY think RB will be stripped of their title?

But they have been found out, so many on here said the FIA would never find any budget breach.

No they won't strip the title that is pointless but they have to hurt Red Bull for the future.

[Toothlessrage*]

But they have been found out, so many on here said the FIA would never find any budget breach.

No they won't strip the title that is pointless but they have to hurt Red Bull for the future.

I agree.

The 2021 & '22 championships will be left alone.
But, both Ferrari and Mercedes will most certainly look to ensure RBR will be significantly hindered in the future.