2022 F1 news/rumours

**Gilles** · 27th November 2022, 21:00

Originally Posted by Greig

Seen some rumours in Italian media that Brawn is in the running to replace Binotto.

Binotto must have a forum with all his real fans
You could go there

**Greig** · 27th November 2022, 21:21

Originally Posted by Gilles

So I’d like to ask you Greg, who has me as well as other members, said that criticizing the team showed us that we weren’t fans of the team, that we should join a fan club of Charles: Greg, how do you feel, you who is authorized to tell us what we are, what we are not, you who has the monopoly of the liturgy of the fan and who allows you the right of anathema?

Originally Posted by Gilles

Binotto must have a forum with all his real fans
You could go there

Who authorized you?

**Gilles** · 27th November 2022, 21:28

Originally Posted by Greig

Why do you care what I think so much? Ferrari does not belong to anyone not even Charles.

You are not the first ever "driver" of Ferrari fan.......

So just think and keep your anathemes to yourself
We don’t come to this forum to be pointed out by a schoolmaster
There must be forums for people in need of authority

**Greig** · 27th November 2022, 21:29

Originally Posted by Gilles

So just think and keep your anathemes to yourself
We don’t come to this forum to be pointed out by a schoolmaster
There must be forums for people in need of authority

Originally Posted by Gilles

Binotto must have a forum with all his real fans
You could go there

**Gilles** · 27th November 2022, 21:49

Originally Posted by Greig

No messages have been erased, don't be a liar.

I lost them for a while, don't know why, use some words with a bit of reserve please
But, where is my last post, the one saying that (i lost it too now):
"I love the way you erase my messages!
Obviously you do what you want on this forum
I don’t know how the members support this kind Binotto's management, but for on my side, it tires me seriously"

**brucewayne** · 27th November 2022, 22:20

Originally Posted by Greig

Fact because you said so without any facts to back it up haha good post

Amazing that stopping developing the car would see you lose time to others around you, until we stopped developing we were not losing the development race at all, what will be your next excuse?

Men lie, women lie, numbers don't. But whatever makes you sleep better. So according to you, we didn't loose the development race at all, but nevertheless still stoped developing the car. You are on to something, we should encourage other teams to stop developing their cars too.

You aren't even addressing the change in balancing after France, shows me everything I need to know about you. Even Ferrari admited that they had problems since they updated the floor. But we weren't loosing the development race right? Pathetic, but not a surprise.

You seem to be happy that Ferrari doesn't win.

**Greig** · 27th November 2022, 22:27

Originally Posted by brucewayne

Men lie, women lie, numbers don't. But whatever makes you sleep better. So according to you, we didn't loose the development race at all, but nevertheless still stoped developing the car. You are on to something, we should encourage other teams to stop developing their cars too.

You aren't even addressing the change in balancing after France, shows me everything I need to know about you. Even Ferrari admited that they had problems since they updated the floor. But we weren't loosing the development race right? Pathetic, but not a surprise.

You seem to be happy that Ferrari doesn't win.

I am not the one claiming we lost ground before Spa as we never. Spa and beyond which is when we pretty much stopped developing so off course would lose out to those who did not stop developing, not sure why you find this hard to understand at all? Merc also gained on Red Bull you know so what development race was going on???? only Merc kept going for obvious reasons, so I am failing to see your point at all to be honest. We were not falling behind until TD and we decided it was a lost cause and switched to 2023 if you can't see that then I don't really care.

The floor in France did not change the car to suit Sainz is my point, you seem to think otherwise for some made up reason, probably just so you can whine about the team for something they never done. Ferrari rarely win titles, I am pretty used to it maybe you will get there sometime as well but until then you can rage about it on the internet but it really won't change anything.

You seem to hate everything about Ferrari.

**Gilles** · 27th November 2022, 22:50

Originally Posted by Greig

You seem to hate everything about Ferrari.

Why do you always fight like that?
I really don’t understand the reason
Can’t we talk without aggression?

**Greig** · 27th November 2022, 22:56

Originally Posted by Gilles

Why do you always fight like that?
I really don’t understand the reason
Can’t we talk without aggression?

Ah so you don't read what others write, just me. So today I have been told to support McLaren, then you told me to join a Binotto forum. But you want to talk without aggression now?

So what you want it to be?

**Gilles** · 27th November 2022, 22:56

Originally Posted by brucewayne

Imagine developing the car in favor of Sainz, only to see him get slapped by Charles in AD, despite having a fresher PU and the favorable strategy. What a catastrophic mistake, especially in times of a budget cap. And when we think about Monaco, Silverstone and Hungary, it's just not acceptable anymore.

I read that Sainz sr is pleased that the 2023 car would be better suited to his son: Are we going to have a posthumous "gift" from Binotto?

**Greig** · 27th November 2022, 22:58

Originally Posted by Gilles

I read that Sainz sr is pleased that the 2023 car would be better suited to his son: Are we going to have a posthumous "gift" from Binotto?

If it suits Sainz and wins the titles then nobody will care.

**Gilles** · 27th November 2022, 23:01

Originally Posted by Greig

Ah so you don't read what others write, just me. So today I have been told to support McLaren, then you told me to join a Binotto forum. But you want to talk without aggression now?

So what you want it to be?

No, I read everyone
And I find you incomprehensibly "nervous" for some time already

**Greig** · 27th November 2022, 23:04

Originally Posted by Gilles

No, I read everyone
And I find you incomprehensibly "nervous" for some time already

You asked for me to talk to you, you wanted my response. You then told me to join a Binotto forum.

Now you turn it around to me, stop being obsessed with me.

**SS454** · 27th November 2022, 23:04

Ferrari was capable of winning races up to Austria. In France and Hungary, they car was no longer as competitive. Then TD39 kicked in at Spa and Ferrari lost ground for sure relative to RBR and Mercedes. Mercedes in particularly continued some successful development while Ferrari did not. Since the season didn't stop at Spa, it is a fact that Ferrari lost the development race.

**Gilles** · 27th November 2022, 23:09

Originally Posted by Greig

If it suits Sainz and wins the titles then nobody will care.

Do you really think we can be superior enough to allow Sainz to win?
Do you really think that with a car he would beat Charles?
And if it happened anyway, do you think everyone would be fooled?

**SS454** · 27th November 2022, 23:11

Originally Posted by Gilles

I read that Sainz sr is pleased that the 2023 car would be better suited to his son: Are we going to have a posthumous "gift" from Binotto?

I think that's a bad idea by Ferrari if it's true. Design the car for Charles and hopefully incorporate a setup window big enough that makes the car comfortable to Sainz.

Red Bull have done this with Max, Ferrari did it with Schumacher. Those were big successes. Who knows, maybe it will suit both drivers, but judging from the 2022 season, Leclerc was most competitive with the SF75 when the car was acting in a way that didn't quite suit Sainz.

**Greig** · 27th November 2022, 23:12

Originally Posted by SS454

Ferrari was capable of winning races up to Austria. In France and Hungary, they car was no longer as competitive. Then TD39 kicked in at Spa and Ferrari lost ground for sure relative to RBR and Mercedes. Mercedes in particularly continued some successful development while Ferrari did not. Since the season didn't stop at Spa, it is a fact that Ferrari lost the development race.

Lost by choice is very different though as I have said, as for not being competitive in France and Hungary I could quote your own words from those post race threads you do, perhaps you could refresh your memory

**Greig** · 27th November 2022, 23:13

Originally Posted by Gilles

Do you really think we can be superior enough to allow Sainz to win?
Do you really think that with a car he would beat Charles?
And if it happened anyway, do you think everyone would be fooled?

Nico won a title against Lewis, it happens.

**Gilles** · 27th November 2022, 23:15

Originally Posted by SS454

I think that's a bad idea by Ferrari if it's true. Design the car for Charles and hopefully incorporate a setup window big enough that makes the car comfortable to Sainz.

Red Bull have done this with Max, Ferrari did it with Schumacher. Those were big successes. Who knows, maybe it will suit both drivers, but judging from the 2022 season, Leclerc was most competitive with the SF75 when the car was acting in a way that didn't quite suit Sainz.

I think like you

**SS454** · 28th November 2022, 00:22

Originally Posted by Greig

Lost by choice is very different though as I have said, as for not being competitive in France and Hungary I could quote your own words from those post race threads you do, perhaps you could refresh your memory

That's true about France. I somehow managed to forget Leclerc putting it in the wall while in the lead. Hungary the car wasn't as competitive as they had been though. If Ferrari was as good as developing as the other teams, they there is no excuse why they could barely keep pace with Mercedes who was 1.5 seconds slower than them early in the season.

Lost by "choice", or ran out of money, or didn't have the skill, it does not matter. By season's end, Ferrari did not develop their car as well as Mercedes, and perhaps not as good as Red Bull, but that's questionable since the TD39 played in their hands.

**Brembo** · 28th November 2022, 09:37

Originally Posted by Gilles

I read that Sainz sr is pleased that the 2023 car would be better suited to his son: Are we going to have a posthumous "gift" from Binotto?

Binotto owes Carlos big time! He did everything he could get away with; trying to get Carlos out and Mick in his seat. Mick costing millions $$ in damage to his Haas car proved not ready for Ferrari. Maybe Carlos will race with the best car Ferrari can do up for him as is and was the case with Charles. Ferrari has two of the best drivers in F-1 . Let them compete; and during each race make the calls as to who should move over if needed. That's how Charles got picked over Seb at the end. They let Charles race!!!

**Greig** · 28th November 2022, 12:49

Italian source today stating Binotto has tendered his resignation but Elkan is stalling for time, also stating Binotto and Elkan see things very differently and Elkan stopped Todt coming back to Ferrari and stopped Binotto breaching the budget etc.

Maybe Binotto is the least of our worrys......

**guro** · 28th November 2022, 12:56

It is currently buzzing with rumours when it comes to the role of team boss at Ferrari. Now it is the Italian newspaper La Stampa that manages to report that even Ross Brawn is said to be on the shortlist.
It seems a matter of time before the announcement follows that Mattia Binotto is leaving Ferrari. Although the team denied prior to the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix that the team boss would be leaving the team early, several (Italian) media outlets know that Binotto will be leaving.

**paneristi** · 28th November 2022, 14:10

Originally Posted by guro

It is currently buzzing with rumours when it comes to the role of team boss at Ferrari. Now it is the Italian newspaper La Stampa that manages to report that even Ross Brawn is said to be on the shortlist.
It seems a matter of time before the announcement follows that Mattia Binotto is leaving Ferrari. Although the team denied prior to the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix that the team boss would be leaving the team early, several (Italian) media outlets know that Binotto will be leaving.

https://twitter.com/motorsportweek/s...0YynyxW2qvgXLg

**Nick Singer** · 28th November 2022, 14:11

Originally Posted by brucewayne

The focus was to make Carlos more comfortable. Weirdly Charles was happy at the beginning of the year, later it was the other way around. But Ferrari always finds a way to regress during a season. Other teams find ways to improve the car according to the preferences of their No.1 driver. And the result is, RB did beat us and it was not even close. We nearly lost P2 to in the WDC and WCC. But it seems it finally sunk in. Lessons learned!

I endorse that sentiment!

**paneristi** · 28th November 2022, 14:14

Originally Posted by Brembo

Binotto owes Carlos big time! He did everything he could get away with; trying to get Carlos out and Mick in his seat. Mick costing millions $$ in damage to his Haas car proved not ready for Ferrari. Maybe Carlos will race with the best car Ferrari can do up for him as is and was the case with Charles. Ferrari has two of the best drivers in F-1 . Let them compete; and during each race make the calls as to who should move over if needed. That's how Charles got picked over Seb at the end. They let Charles race!!!

Agree. Let them compete. I believe we should root for Ferrari winning, be it driver A or B. As long as it is scarlet cars. It's the team that matters.