F1 2022 Pre-Season Testing Thread

[faloupas]

It is just testing but it is not possible to ignore what has happened all these years.
Red Bull and Mercedes have proven that they are capable of completely changing their car and stay competitive. Our upgrades have always been small wings, and the car was upgraded slightly during the season.Every year in testing the car was the same as presentation people!
Tire management has been a chronic problem since 2011. We constantly make cars that lag behind the hardest tires.Desicions were always not in the right direction!
In 2009 we took the wrong direction..in 2014 the same ... in 2020 the same ... 2017-2018 ... ok but not enough.
So yes it's not bad to be optimistic but let's have the worst case scenario again ... we're used to it.
If this car is a failure, what will be the excuses again?
I'm just a fan, I have no idea about aerodynamics or engineering ... I think I say things that most of us have thought.

[Gilles]

It is just testing but it is not possible to ignore what has happened all these years.
Red Bull and Mercedes have proven that they are capable of completely changing their car and stay competitive. Our upgrades have always been small wings, and the car was upgraded slightly during the season.Every year in testing the car was the same as presentation people!
Tire management has been a chronic problem since 2011. We constantly make cars that lag behind the hardest tires.Desicions were always not in the right direction!
In 2009 we took the wrong direction..in 2014 the same ... in 2020 the same ... 2017-2018 ... ok but not enough.
So yes it's not bad to be optimistic but let's have the worst case scenario again ... we're used to it.
If this car is a failure, what will be the excuses again?
I'm just a fan, I have no idea about aerodynamics or engineering ... I think I say things that most of us have thought.

The change is that now things are in place to face the competition. We have the tools working to develop the car, as Mercrdes and Rb have since some years. We still be a bit back compared to these teams when fully using them, but we can catch up. Have hope mate, we are starting to be back in the game

[faloupas]

We are all fans...we all love this team...Playing catch up seems already a failoure to me!
Last time we really turned around a situation was 2006...
Anyway lets hope things wont be that bad..

[PURE PASSION]

It is just testing but it is not possible to ignore what has happened all these years.
Red Bull and Mercedes have proven that they are capable of completely changing their car and stay competitive. Our upgrades have always been small wings, and the car was upgraded slightly during the season.Every year in testing the car was the same as presentation people!
Tire management has been a chronic problem since 2011. We constantly make cars that lag behind the hardest tires.Desicions were always not in the right direction!
In 2009 we took the wrong direction..in 2014 the same ... in 2020 the same ... 2017-2018 ... ok but not enough.
So yes it's not bad to be optimistic but let's have the worst case scenario again ... we're used to it.
If this car is a failure, what will be the excuses again?
I'm just a fan, I have no idea about aerodynamics or engineering ... I think I say things that most of us have thought.

Also the reality is that ,IT IS WHAT IT IS !!! You ,me or anybody in here have no say about it that could make an actual change/good for the team. All we do is just nagging in here and this is annoying for some. It's pretty clear for me.I will have to accept it (if we again fail ) or move on and don't bother any more about races ,results ,evolution etc.

[JacKy]

According to telemetry datas

* Leclerc opened DRS 50 meters late than his opponents (at the beginning of the flying lap)
* Lerclec was the only car on full throttle at Turn 7 (impressive)
* Redbull’s uses longer gear ratios. And higher RPM
* Mercedes uses shortest Gear ratios. ( explains faster accelerations )

[djmorin27]

not to worried mick ended the day 2nd fastest on the medium tire in a haas so dont get to worked up

[JacKy]

Well there is also this point of view. (Not that i believe it, just saying that it could be a scenario, like many other even worsen for us)

The reason why people thinks Leclerc was on lower power mode is telemetry data shows that Sainz was able to reach 315-316 km/s constantly while Leclerc reached 307 km/s on his fastest lap. And i aggre with that idea.

[Silent Bob]

So we have pretty good testing sessions. Car looks stable, pretty quick and we really didnt crank it up yet. But it's a failure because we didnt bring a Bspec car to 2nd testing. And because RB and Merc did they are automatically better than us.

[JacKy]

So we have pretty good testing sessions. Car looks stable, pretty quick and we really didnt crank it up yet. But it's a failure because we didnt bring a Bspec car to 2nd testing. And because RB and Merc did they are automatically better than us.

It is all about extracting car’s Max potential in the end.

We always fell behind after summer break since 2010. Except 2019 and we all know how did that end.

[FerrariF60]

not to worried mick ended the day 2nd fastest on the medium tire in a haas so dont get to worked up

maybe HAAS is the team to beat......maybe they were the real sandbaggers all along.....

[jgonzalesm6]

All performance data aside or what you make of it, one thing that has changed in this new formula for 2022 is that Mercedes as a team no longer leads in cumulative laps and mileage for all 6 days of testing.

Ferrari did well....very well in cumulative laps and mileage to top the charts. "Head down and stay focused."

[killer]

So we have pretty good testing sessions. Car looks stable, pretty quick and we really didnt crank it up yet. But it's a failure because we didnt bring a Bspec car to 2nd testing. And because RB and Merc did they are automatically better than us.

About sums it up, yep. You can also add how a Haas is faster than us now. 2022 is a shambles already; might as well focus on ‘23.

[jgonzalesm6]

So we have pretty good testing sessions. Car looks stable, pretty quick and we really didnt crank it up yet. But it's a failure because we didnt bring a Bspec car to 2nd testing. And because RB and Merc did they are automatically better than us.

About sums it up, yep. You can also add how a Haas is faster than us now. 2022 is a shambles already; might as well focus on ‘23.

It's testing gents, too soon to extrapolate anything really where everyone stands. We will know soon enough in the next 4 to 5 races and NOT next week due to one race. Qualifying is one thing and race pace is another.

What I gathered so far during testing is Ferrari looks rock solid due to laps and mileage.....yes porpoising somewhat but they were trying various floors during testing.

Mercedes looks bewildered.....not like the solid 8 years past of brutal laps and mileage. Massive porpoising as I'm sure they will rectify their problem in 2 to 3 races.

Redbull looks like they have their act together...they seem solid.

[ferras]

Final results: https://i.imgur.com/QAgLKfQ.png
For comparison 2021 tests: https://i.imgur.com/GmP0D9q.png

Most cars in 2021 quali did not improve much compared to the tests.

[tifosi1993]

According to telemetry datas

* Leclerc opened DRS 50 meters late than his opponents (at the beginning of the flying lap)
* Lerclec was the only car on full throttle at Turn 7 (impressive)
* Redbull’s uses longer gear ratios. And higher RPM
* Mercedes uses shortest Gear ratios. ( explains faster accelerations )

Charles is also accelerating out of corners faster.

[SS454]

Final results: https://i.imgur.com/QAgLKfQ.png
For comparison 2021 tests: https://i.imgur.com/GmP0D9q.png

Most cars in 2021 quali did not improve much compared to the tests.

Looking at last year is a good example of how much teams can fudge around in testing.

Verstappen test - 1:28.960 vs Q - 1:28.997
Hamilton test - 1:30.025 vs Q - 1:29.385
Ferrari test - 1:29.611 vs Q - 1:29.678
Tsunoda test - 1:29.053 vs Q - 1:30.607
Kimi test - 1:29.766 vs Q - 1:31.238

So Mercedes sandbagged, Ferrari and Red Bull didn't. While lower teams like AlphaTauri and Alfa Romeo did hero laps that were probably outside the rules to attract sponsors.

[paolo lalli]

Max,s fast lap was on the ragged edge redbull,can claim they have more beans may be but not that many more.Red bull and Max can say what they want we shall see next week.Ferrari playing there cards close besides we really are the underdogs are we not.

[killer]

It's testing gents, too soon to extrapolate anything really where everyone stands. We will know soon enough in the next 4 to 5 races and NOT next week due to one race. Qualifying is one thing and race pace is another.

What I gathered so far during testing is Ferrari looks rock solid due to laps and mileage.....yes porpoising somewhat but they were trying various floors during testing.

Mercedes looks bewildered.....not like the solid 8 years past of brutal laps and mileage. Massive porpoising as I'm sure they will rectify their problem in 2 to 3 races.

Redbull looks like they have their act together...they seem solid.

/s, sir. ��

[paneristi]

Spot on. I like this post. Btw, I came across this video https://youtu.be/RyNy3YxdLLo . Somehow it looks like RB ‘kind of’ trying a bit like F1-75 with less radical undercut and more streamlined front wing on day 3. Everybody is copying everybody else, just like what Binotto said. And talking about radical sidepod, it looks like RB employs similarly sized sidepod as Merc, one being rather square, and the other being elongated.

It's testing gents, too soon to extrapolate anything really where everyone stands. We will know soon enough in the next 4 to 5 races and NOT next week due to one race. Qualifying is one thing and race pace is another.

What I gathered so far during testing is Ferrari looks rock solid due to laps and mileage.....yes porpoising somewhat but they were trying various floors during testing.

Mercedes looks bewildered.....not like the solid 8 years past of brutal laps and mileage. Massive porpoising as I'm sure they will rectify their problem in 2 to 3 races.

Redbull looks like they have their act together...they seem solid.

[paolo lalli]

So what have red bull developed them selves,looks like sweet **** all.They presented a shell on the redbull reveal day then copied ferrari and mercedes and bolted the parts on thats how this so called redcrap evolved.

[ferras]

Max,s fast lap was on the ragged edge redbull,can claim they have more beans may be but not that many more.Red bull and Max can say what they want we shall see next week.Ferrari playing there cards close besides we really are the underdogs are we not.

Yes, and Mick (with C4 compound) is only 0.5s slower than Max (with C5 compound) I have no doubt RBR is one of the fastest, if not the fastest. I think in quali we will see times under 1:30.500 at least. Maybe even under 1:30(depending on track conditions)

[ferras]

Looking at last year is a good example of how much teams can fudge around in testing.

Verstappen test - 1:28.960 vs Q - 1:28.997
Hamilton test - 1:30.025 vs Q - 1:29.385
Ferrari test - 1:29.611 vs Q - 1:29.678
Tsunoda test - 1:29.053 vs Q - 1:30.607
Kimi test - 1:29.766 vs Q - 1:31.238

So Mercedes sandbagged, Ferrari and Red Bull didn't. While lower teams like AlphaTauri and Alfa Romeo did hero laps that were probably outside the rules to attract sponsors.

If i remember correctly, they had a very sandy or windy track in last year’s quali. That’s why they couldn't improve. And Mercedes had more problems in tests than others.

[speedmaster]

https://www.formulapassion.it/opinio...si-608332.html

[Super M]

All performance data aside or what you make of it, one thing that has changed in this new formula for 2022 is that Mercedes as a team no longer leads in cumulative laps and mileage for all 6 days of testing.

Ferrari did well....very well in cumulative laps and mileage to top the charts. "Head down and stay focused."

Probably the best reply to date in this thread. Thanks jgonzalesm6

For me, i only looked at the lap counts completed by Ferrari. That was impressive!.

As for some of the comments of ruling out Ferrari already, Some of You guys clearly don't understand TESTING!, Yes we had a hard time the last 2 years, i get that. But can we all just take a chill pill and back our boys for just once!!!

If they fail this year , i will personally stand up and admit that we got it wrong. But for now, Lets leave it and rather wait for next weekend.

[jgonzalesm6]

/s, sir. ��

Spot on. I like this post. .

Probably the best reply to date in this thread. Thanks jgonzalesm6

[ferras]

If they fail this year , i will personally stand up and admit that we got it wrong. But for now, Lets leave it and rather wait for next weekend.

I hear this almost every year

[tpe]

I saw a post in another forum, with Binotto saying to an Italian journalist:
"You always ask me what Leclerc with do if we give him the car, now he has the car, let's see".

If this is true, I think is says everything we need to know until next week.

[Super M]

I hear this almost every year

Problem is, it's getting long in the tooth.

I still have faith

[scudieros]

https://www.formulapassion.it/opinio...si-608332.html

Thanks. A real analysis. I think we look very very good for the star of the season. We are not the best but not far off. If Haas performance is anything to go by, we should have plenty more performance to show in qualy mode. While Merc is playing silly games, they still do have some issues to sort, and we can steal some early points off them. Red bull have solved all their issues with one update, if we find that kind of fix for the bouncing, I think we could do really well. Ferrari have worked well and I don't have the negative sense that usually accompanies a start of the season.

Forza Ferrari Sempre

[patrese86]

Looking at last year is a good example of how much teams can fudge around in testing.

Verstappen test - 1:28.960 vs Q - 1:28.997
Hamilton test - 1:30.025 vs Q - 1:29.385
Ferrari test - 1:29.611 vs Q - 1:29.678
Tsunoda test - 1:29.053 vs Q - 1:30.607
Kimi test - 1:29.766 vs Q - 1:31.238

So Mercedes sandbagged, Ferrari and Red Bull didn't. While lower teams like AlphaTauri and Alfa Romeo did hero laps that were probably outside the rules to attract sponsors.

Weren't those tyres in testing set on the softest compounds though? If it's like this year then this softest compound will be the C3 for the race and not the C5. So for example Verstappen matched his test time last season on a compound two steps harder for Qualifying in 2021?