2022 Bahrain Grand Prix Thread (Practice & Qualifying)

[jgonzalesm6]

AMuS

Toto Wolff says that the current deficit is coming more from the chassis side than the engine: "Our data shows that we are running with more drag. Our deficits in the chassis area are bigger than those in the engine."

Despite running a bigger rear wing, Mercedes lost out in Turn 1, 2, 4 and 6. From Turn 8 onwards, they are as fast as Red Bull and Ferrari.

Mercedes: "We seem to have to compromise more than the other teams in solving the bouncing problem."

Toto Wolff hopes that they will make a big step forward once they know the reason for the bouncing issue and find a solution for it.

Toto: "Only then will we be able to exploit the full potential of our car."

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/...-bahrain-2022/

[SS454]

Onbord Q3 Charles vs Max

https://scuderiafans.com/onboard-com...22-bahrain-gp/

Excellent video. In terms of power you can really see Ferrari has better acceleration leading on the back straight, and coming out of the last corner. They were neck and neck the whole lap though.

[SS454]

AMuS

Toto Wolff says that the current deficit is coming more from the chassis side than the engine: "Our data shows that we are running with more drag. Our deficits in the chassis area are bigger than those in the engine."

Despite running a bigger rear wing, Mercedes lost out in Turn 1, 2, 4 and 6. From Turn 8 onwards, they are as fast as Red Bull and Ferrari.

Mercedes: "We seem to have to compromise more than the other teams in solving the bouncing problem."

Toto Wolff hopes that they will make a big step forward once they know the reason for the bouncing issue and find a solution for it.

Toto: "Only then will we be able to exploit the full potential of our car."

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/...-bahrain-2022/

All through testing my eyes told me that Mercedes were running a big rear wing. Makes sense if that produces more drag. Also the porpoising must be a form of drag by the way of road resistance.

But it doesn't explain why McLaren, Aston Martin, and Williams are all very slow. Not only in terms of lap times, but their straight line speed all are unimpressive.

[faloupas]

Onbord Q3 Charles vs Max

https://scuderiafans.com/onboard-com...22-bahrain-gp/

Charles may have a bit more.Maybe 0,1 or less.as he made some little corrections.
In live coverage i thought Max made a mistake in S2.
Both cars on rails...Ferrari amazing acceleration.

[Gilles]

Guys, have a look at this one, this is the source
Manage the settings to slow speed at 0.25, better to see speeds in corners :

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RywYtHYQaiM

[Gilles]

All through testing my eyes told me that Mercedes were running a big rear wing. Makes sense if that produces more drag. Also the porpoising must be a form of drag by the way of road resistance.

But it doesn't explain why McLaren, Aston Martin, and Williams are all very slow. Not only in terms of lap times, but their straight line speed all are unimpressive.

Like Hass and Alfa last year. Hard to know. If they lack of power, don't hope they say it so easy, and even less the customer teams

[Tifoso Svedese]

Top speed isn't everything. It's the acceleration where Ferrari PU is unmatched.

Also Red Bull may very well be running a low DF setup. I don't think they actually paid attention to Ferrari before qualifying, I think they were only focused on Mercedes. (Cause they are arrogant)

Yeah it definitely allows us to run a lot higher wing levels than previously. That has always been key for Mercedes being so fast, due to the engine delivering the grunt right after departing any given corner, they've been able to add insane amounts of wing.

[faloupas]

Guys, have a look at this one, this is the source
Manage the settings to slow it at 0.25, better to see speeds in corners :

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RywYtHYQaiM

Charles accelerates faster than RB...and also you can see that we have the same speed with them with lower rpm...thats really interesting.

[SFTifoso]

All through testing my eyes told me that Mercedes were running a big rear wing. Makes sense if that produces more drag. Also the porpoising must be a form of drag by the way of road resistance.

But it doesn't explain why McLaren, Aston Martin, and Williams are all very slow. Not only in terms of lap times, but their straight line speed all are unimpressive.

I think it’s both, but mostly the engine. Those side pods were a reaction to their high drag car; almost a panic reaction. But the engine imo doesn’t like E10 fuel. E10 is a weird fue. I’m guessing they’re seeing more knock that the Ferrari engine, and have to lower boost or ignition advance. But Totto isn’t about to blame the “Mercedes” engine on global TV.

[Gilles]

Charles accelerates faster than RB...and also you can see that we have the same speed with them with lower rpm...thats really interesting.

Yes, I spent some time on Friday making speed and RPM comparation between Charles and Max in all apex (fp2). With headphones, you hear one engine in each ear, amazing

[Gilles]

From firmu1aUno, giving some light to our debats here :

"It is interesting to note that on the straights the Ferrari has not shown any signs of extra-drag so far. Something that had discussed a lot regarding the design of the sidepods, clearly bulky but rather deceptive [...] The solution of the Italian team seems to limit the efficiency of the floor deliberately to protect the diffuser, according to formu1a.uno. Sources from Maranello say they had favored the flows in the direction of the rear wing and the beam wing rather than over the floor as Mercedes did"

The end one of my previous post could say something about our rear wing use

[subfire91]

certainly will help to find something to match them in terms of straight line speed. it will come in handy in power circuits with long straights like monza and spa

[JacKy]

Judging by onboards , Ferrari sets shorter gear ratio than RB , which is limiting top speed around 317 km/s but gives faster acceleration instead. ( this kind of choices was done by 2011-2013 Redbull, you don’t need to top the speed chart if you have superior downforce and acceleration. )

[330 p4]

Charles accelerates faster than RB...and also you can see that we have the same speed with them with lower rpm...thats really interesting.

Ferrari are shorter geared than RB. Just realised someone already pointed this out. Bet the 8th gear is roughly equal though, the limitations on top speed more likely down to wing settings or battery deployment.

[SilverSpeed]

If we have more wing it's better for the race and our tyre deg so I'll take that now ty very much.

[SFTifoso]

Charles had a moment in turn 13. Lost about 0.1 secs, and then gained it all back on the penultimate straight, then through the last turn, and on the main straight. Our PU and the cars ability to put power to the ground is very very good.

[JacKy]

Ferrari are shorter geared than RB. Just realised someone already pointed this out. Bet the 8th gear is roughly equal though, the limitations on top speed more likely down to wing settings or battery deployment.

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Here you can see , RB doesnt even using 8th gear on middle Sector’s Straight ( before t11 )

And despite we have had shorter gear ratio , RB does reaches higher RPM at 8th gear on main Straight. I guess they’re running lower downforce setup. Doesnt make sense otherwise.

[jgonzalesm6]

Leclerc gains in S2 but Max is still ahead....until the last turn and Leclerc pulls ahead Max.

Leclerc Vs Verstappen | Side-By-Side Qualifying Comparison | 2022 Bahrain Grand Prix

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oe8ucnyNUgs

[SFTifoso]

Leclerc gains in S2 but Max is still ahead....until the last turn and Leclerc pulls ahead Max.

Leclerc Vs Verstappen | Side-By-Side Qualifying Comparison | 2022 Bahrain Grand Prix

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oe8ucnyNUgs

Turns 12-13 he gains but makes a mistake on turn 13 that cost him a bit on the exit. Then he makes it all up on the final sector. PU is incredible. He should’ve gotten pole by 2/10th.

[jgonzalesm6]

Turns 12-13 he gains but makes a mistake on turn 13 that cost him a bit on the exit. Then he makes it all up on the final sector. PU is incredible. He should’ve gotten pole by 2/10th.

You can see Leclercs car gain on the exits of the sharper turns.....the deployment onto the rear tires is immense against the RB18....unfortunately it won't run like that tomorrow with the mode turned way up.....none of them will.

[FerrariF60]

You can see Leclercs car gain on the exits of the sharper turns.....the deployment onto the rear tires is immense against the RB18....unfortunately it won't run like that tomorrow with the mode turned way up.....none of them will.

this car's gonna be a monster 'round Monaco

[jgonzalesm6]

this car's gonna be a monster 'round Monaco

sure looks like it....P1 and P2.

[458 Italia]

this car's gonna be a monster 'round Monaco

One race at a time!

[KingCharles]

Sky was not happy - you could tell they are big Max and RB fans. They have been for years tbh. Suck that up Sky haha

[458 Italia]

Sky was not happy - you could tell they are big Max and RB fans. They have been for years tbh. Suck that up Sky haha

That's how it works with Sky, they of course wanna see hamilton and mercedes on pole, but they'll take max and red bull being up there being another British team pretty much.

[KingCharles]

this. so much this.

I actually think the cars are even.

I believe Sainz to be as good as Crashtappen, and Leclerc to be a tenth better.

Yeah when Sainz and Max were team mates there was nothing between them. In Q Max only edged it 13 - 10 because Sainz had 3 DNF starts.

[nani_s23]

Yeah when Sainz and Max were team mates there was nothing between them. In Q Max only edged it 13 - 10 because Sainz had 3 DNF starts.

Yup I think it was only Carlos Sainz who had neck & neck with Max in the same car. None of other drivers were able to dominate him.

There’s also a theory, if someone drives for RB & they build rocket ship for No.1 driver (ex: Vettel/Ric & now Max). Adaptability to others cars they find it very difficult to drive. We saw Vettel & Ric struggling with other cars & new regs. Hence we need to see how Max performs when he switches to other team if any.

[paneristi]

Nice camaraderie. I’m happy for them

https://www.planetf1.com/news/valtte...ton-third-row/

[SFTifoso]

That's how it works with Sky, they of course wanna see hamilton and mercedes on pole, but they'll take max and red bull being up there being another British team pretty much.

Love it! Hope we can make Totto and Horner cry to FIA.

[SFTifoso]

You can see Leclercs car gain on the exits of the sharper turns.....the deployment onto the rear tires is immense against the RB18....unfortunately it won't run like that tomorrow with the mode turned way up.....none of them will.

Yes! That second hairpin (turn 10?) he falls behind a lot and almost immediately makes it up on the exit. I really hope Charles wins his home GP. I hope both our drivers win their respective home GPs.