2022 Austrian Grand Prix - -Buildup, Practice & Qualifying Thread

[Kyss4k]

That applies to both of them though

Charles is obviously upset about how the situation is being handeled, that's quite clear to see. He needs to see that the team is behind him after all that happened. Or at least I would need that being in his shoes.

[Cavallino]

"Maxipad" has the whole team built around him. RB will never allow Perez to attack Max.

"No Fighting"

[tifosi1993]

I’m sensing a crash coming down if Mattia doesn’t intervene.

Max was only 1.6 seconds ahead while Sainz was 4 seconds behind behind Charles. Charles is simply a level or two above Sainz, always has been. Quite clear who should be the No.1

[Greig]

When Carlos was nowhere he should have been sacked, now he has some pace he should be team ordered

[nani_s23]

Max was only 1.6 seconds ahead while Sainz was 4 seconds behind behind Charles. Charles is simply a level or two above Sainz, always has been. Quite clear who should be the No.1

Yup that should be the same. But Mattia not instructing them & saying they can fight each other. Which means at some point a crash is on the cards everytime they are close to each other. Do we really need this? Already DNF’s are hurting us.

I believe Carlos flat spotted his tyres during attack on Leclerc.

Carlos went with Low DF set up & Charles medium DF. Hence Carlos is faster in S1

[tifosi1993]

He having some "pace" is still not enough to deter either Charles or Max. He's not as quick as those two, simple.

[Cavallino]

we gotta put Sainz on softs tomorrow, you know Red Bull will do that with Perez

[Greig]

we gotta put Sainz on softs tomorrow, you know Red Bull will do that with Perez

Yeah we should split the strategy, rain is possible tomorrow also.

[Cavallino]

He having some "pace" is still not enough to deter either Charles or Max. He's not as quick as those two, simple.

i actually think he is as quick as Maxipad, as he showed in Torro Rosso, the Ferrari is slower than the Fizzy Drink car, it's only Charles who is the generational talent

[nani_s23]

When Carlos was nowhere he should have been sacked, now he has some pace he should be team ordered

We need to fight with Max not internal battle.

At the end there was pace from Leclerc to attack Max but short of laps.
Meanwhile carlos flat spotted his tyres while attacking Charles in S1.

[Cavallino]

Yeah we should split the strategy, rain is possible tomorrow also.

i think it will rain in the morning, the track might still be damp though don't know how many support races there will be

[Greig]

We need to fight with Max not internal battle.

At the end there was pace from Leclerc to attack Max but short of laps.
Meanwhile carlos flat spotted his tyres while attacking Charles in S1.

Max was cruising it home TBH

[nani_s23]

Leclerc's team radio: "A shame [...] we are quick, we can get them tomorrow. We just need to stay calm in the first part of the race and not fight, because I was saving in the first few laps."

[Gilles]

Race after race, it is obvious that we are going nowhere...

Give the kid the team!

[RossTheBoss]

When Carlos was nowhere he should have been sacked, now he has some pace he should be team ordered

Gotta say I agree. 1+

It's not Sainz problem that Leclerc has horrid luck. Honestly, some here are just outright childish, hating on Sainz because he didn't somehow rescue Leclerc's race in Silverstone and sacrifice is first ever grand prix win for a teammate that is two full races behind the WDC lead.

Sainz has brought his game up and should be cheered for it, not hated on because Leclerc suffered what will (probably) be fatal blows to his title fight in Barcelona and Baku.

[Cavallino]

We need to fight with Max not internal battle.

At the end there was pace from Leclerc to attack Max but short of laps.
Meanwhile carlos flat spotted his tyres while attacking Charles in S1.

yeah, if Carlos was going to do that, he needed to put a move onto Maxipad into turn 1

[Kyss4k]

When Carlos was nowhere he should have been sacked, now he has some pace he should be team ordered

Well obviously... He lost this fight early at the season. He should get another chance next year but we should have gone 100% for Charles maximising our chances for WDC. But then again, Binotto said we aren't going for titles so...

[RossTheBoss]

Max was cruising it home TBH

Agreed, I'm skeptical Max was losing pace at the end. He was likely backing off, imho.

[tifosi1993]

i actually think he is as quick as Maxipad, as he showed in Torro Rosso, the Ferrari is slower than the Fizzy Drink car, it's only Charles who is the generational talent

LOL. Torro Rosso was 2015 and 17 year old Max still finished with more than 30 points than Sainz, 49-18 or something like that.

Kvyat got the better of Sainz in the junior formula and we all know the rest.

[Cavallino]

Leclerc's team radio: "A shame [...] we are quick, we can get them tomorrow. We just need to stay calm in the first part of the race and not fight, because I was saving in the first few laps."

that's what I thought, in which case you need to get onto Sainz's radio.

but that won't be an issue tomorrow if you split the strategies. but if i put Sainz onto soft tyres, he needs to get around Maxipad first lap, or both in the gravel, plain and simple

[Cavallino]

LOL. Torro Rosso was 2015 and 17 year old Max still finished with more than 30 points than Sainz, 49-18 or something like that.

Kvyat got the better of Sainz in the junior formula and we all know the rest.

Sainz had a lot more DNFs, i'm pretty sure the qualifying record was pretty even. I can use the 17 year old excuse for the Kvyat.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Carlos' on-track behaviour is just a symptom of the wider problem which have two names: Mattia Binotto and Iñaki Rueda. He just does what he's told, which is to race Charles and 'free to fight' apart from the restart at Silverstone when he disobeyed. The bigger issue is that he should be given just one order: 'kitchen sink when you see a Red Bull, space for Charles'.

[RossTheBoss]

Well obviously... He lost this fight early at the season. He should get another chance next year but we should have gone 100% for Charles maximising our chances for WDC. But then again, Binotto said we aren't going for titles so...

And Leclerc's fight was over after Baku. That's reality without two miracles and no more bad luck for Leclerc. The fight now is for race wins, not the WDC, because the late spring slump for Leclerc will probably end up being fatal to his title fight.

Ferrari need to focus on winning races and staying ahead of the silver douchebags. Pie in the sky doesn't help anybody. If bad luck befalls Red Bull, so be it. But don't risk overall wins at places like Silverstone in hopes it will save Leclerc.

[Cavallino]

Carlos' on-track behaviour is just a symptom of the wider problem which have two names: Mattia Binotto and Iñaki Rueda. He just does what he's told, which is to race Charles and 'free to fight' apart from the restart at Silverstone when he disobeyed. The bigger issue is that he should be given just one order: 'kitchen sink when you see a Red Bull, space for Charles'.

guess you missed when Sainz moved over in Silverstone after 3 laps

[tifosi1993]

Sainz had a lot more DNFs, i'm pretty sure the qualifying record was pretty even. I can use the 17 year old excuse for the Kvyat.

You are making excuses. Kvyat was better than Sainz in the junior formula and he's only a year older than Sainz. Both Max and Sainz suffered DNF's but it didn't stop him from beating Sainz.

[Greig]

Carlos' on-track behaviour is just a symptom of the wider problem which have two names: Mattia Binotto and Iñaki Rueda. He just does what he's told, which is to race Charles and 'free to fight' apart from the restart at Silverstone when he disobeyed. The bigger issue is that he should be given just one order: 'kitchen sink when you see a Red Bull, space for Charles'.

You have some great access to our team meetings, great point though told to race (which we have never heard being said) but told not to race (which we did hear)....

[Cavallino]

and since you watch the races so closely, you'd notice Leclerc at the end noticing his tyres were in tact, Maxipads were not, it's game on for tomorrow.

[Cavallino]

You are making excuses. Kvyat was better than Sainz in the junior formula and he's only a year older than Sainz. Both Max and Sainz suffered DNF's but it didn't stop him from beating Sainz.

you have to look at qualifying, otherwise is Button better for beating Shamilton? Sainz beat Leclerc last season and everyone who watched would have seen who the quicker driver was.

[Greig]

and since you watch the races so closely, you'd notice Leclerc at the end noticing his tyres were in tact, Maxipads were not, it's game on for tomorrow.

Yeah I think we are still in with a chance of winning tomorrow.

[tifosi1993]

you have to look at qualifying, otherwise is Button better for beating Shamilton? Sainz beat Leclerc last season and everyone who watched would have seen who the quicker driver was.

Why? Is there a rule of qualifying being the measuring stick? The point gap of 49-18 in Max's favor tells the story.

And apart from some fringe opinions, no one in F1 will ever rate Sainz being as good as Max. It's just laughable and you'll get laughed at. It's like saying Trulli is better than Alonso.

Both Max and Charles are generational talents. The only difference is, the former has the whole team wrapped around him while the latter has to fight his own team in some regards.