and let's throw in CL's race engineer for good measure. sweeten the pot!Originally Posted by MSC Fan
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and let's throw in CL's race engineer for good measure. sweeten the pot!
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what teh people on this forum mean by bad choices, is moving to teams at the wrong time in search for that 3rd WDC taht he so desperately wants....if he woudn't have left ferrari at the end of 2014, i can almost gurarntee that he wuould have won either of those years, 17 or 18 when Seb never managed to do so
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Oscar Piastri confirmed at Alpine, seems they are not too happy with Alonso lol
https://twitter.com/AlpineF1Team/sta...00248432680960
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Leaving Renault in 07 was a good move, and if Alonso didn't wreck his relationship with McLaren midway through 2007, he probably goes on to win the championship that year as well as 2008. Assuming McLaren didn't favor Lewis no matter what.
If he stays with McLaren, he probably wins the WDC in 2010, and maybe 2012. Say he makes the move to Ferrari in 2014, he has a shot in 2017 and 2018, maybe even 2019. With a good relationship, Alonso stays at Ferrari and drives with Leclerc 2020 to 2021 and would likely even be there in 2022. Would he still be fast enough to beat Leclerc? Who knows. I am almost certain he would make less mistakes. He could be in the hunt for another title in 2022.
So he could potentially have had up to 6 or 7 titles, even if the last 4 or 5 would would be challenges without the best car. Technically he's never had the outright best car. In 05 McLaren was quite a lot faster, and in 06 Ferrari were marginally faster. Even without winning another title, a long stint with McLaren from 2007 onward would have netted him the most wins, poles, and podiums.
To be fair, Alpine likely chose to drop Alonso since they needed the seat for Piastri, as he is hyped up as a big future talent. French connection means Ocon stays as the other driver. Also Alonso has a history of not being easy to work with in the team, and so maybe it was easy for the team to choose Ocon over Alonso. Ferrari kind of pushed out Schumacher for Raikkonen in 07, so we've seen great drivers leave for the future of the team before.
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Alpine actually had no idea that Alonso was seriously negotiating with Aston Martin. They fully expected him to continue racing with them.
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Mclaren of 2007 - RD Mclaren, was clearly a Lewis shop, because of RD.
There was NO erfin way that Alonso would get a championship from the moment Lewis showed up, signed and delivered.
And from that point on, there was no way he could stay, because Alonso simply put could not stand the kind of behavior from that team.
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Avanti Fer, Avanti !
Think Alpine PR team has already hired them
Thank you Xubuntu
Announcment was only by AlpineF1 ... in the ultimate need and hurry.
and Piastri immediately disagreed that he will not be driving for Alpine for 2023 ... which would be strange for a driver from the academy ... the posting on social media cant be interpreted the wrong way.
from all about what is knows so far Alpine did not made any decission until they where now between the seats ... which seems lost both.
in fact Alpine were not able to come to an agreement with both of their drivers til 31.7. - even it was known that Piastri so far the hottest iron on the market watched by others.
however I can't still understand the move to AM from a Fan perspective a post from Magnus Ericsson made it clear for me to probably see it from Alonso perspective: AM gave him long-term contract where as (according to Szafnauer) Alpine a 1+1 option with the words (according to Szafnauer) "if you drive as good next year as you do now, the option will not a problem".
maybe also the comments from Prost makes now more sense at all ...
in fact: by this Alpine cleverness the media is all about this issue ... so hopefully we can work out what went wrong in our garage the last 3 months in all quietness that needs it.
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It was pretty much 50/50 to begin with, which Alonso surely was ****** that a rookie gets the same treatment as a 2x champ. Mid way through the year, especially after Hungary, McLaren put all their eggs into the Hamilton basket. Had this rift not happened, Alonso would have easily won the WDC that season. I agree that McLaren was likely always going to favor their beloved Lewis though.
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I really like Alonso a lot, I loved seeing him in a top car, racing at Lemans and the indy500 but I can't help but feel this is a mistake and a backwards step.
I would be very happy for him if it came good and they shot up the grid (just as long as they are behind Ferrari).
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My point exactly, so the hypothetical has no merit quite honestly; McLaren started a 50/50 just to adjust Lewis in an F1 team, then of course it would be all Lewis.
ALO was doomed from the moment he joined them.
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[QUOTE=aroutis;1069211]My point exactly, so the hypothetical has no merit quite honestly; McLaren started a 50/50 just to adjust Lewis in an F1 team, then of course it would be all Lewis.
It remained all Lewis until Masi stopped him from getting #8.
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Masi let 5 cars unlap themselves (the cars between Lewis and Max) on lap 57. Had Masi let ALL cars unlap themselves on lap 56, the end result would have been the same.....Max wins. Max made the change to soft tires after the Latifi crash and Mercedes left Lewis out on 39 lap old tires whom had a chance to change tires earlier (not the Latifi crash) in the race.
Max went into Abu Dhabi with 9 wins vs Lewis's 8 wins in the season.
Max lost points in Baku, Silverstone and Hungary. Had it not been for those "irregularities", Max would have won the 2021 WDC title several races ago.
It's not how start but how you finish.
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Mark Webber is a Porsche brand ambassador.
Porsche apparently bought 50% of Red Bull Technology.
Piastri to Alpha Tauri for 2023.
Red Bull Porsche drive in 2026.
That's my 2 cents.
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Had it not been for Masi's maneuvers Luis would have won the race. That was the #8 WDC. Max was and is the WDC winner. And.. Lewis' Merc had quite a few irregularities also. Again I say Max won!
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The point I was making is had Alonso stayed at McLaren through 2013, he likely would have had a lot more success. Quite a few things would have had to be different for him to stay at McLaren, which I also touched on. But since there is a lot of talk about Alonso making bad career decisions, we can guess and discuss what other options he could have made.
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Ferrari's management is incompetent but it looks pale in comparison to Alpine's management.
First they give someone like Ocon a 3 year deal from which they can't back out. Then they try to play games with someone like Fernando, the faster and the better driver, while trying to keep Piastri under the wing and not let him get signed up another team.
But I guess they simply didn't realize with whom they're playing the game with. So at the end of the day, Fernando gives them a middle finger and signs up with Aston while Piastri simply refusing to drive for them.
But I guess that's a fair comeuppance for disrespecting a legend like Fernando. I have zero doubt that they were and are still doing whatever it is necessary to keep Ocon ahead of Fernando in the WDC table. And this is a payback from Fernando.
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Oscar Piastri confirmed for Mclaren 2023. Bye-Bye Ricciardo.
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Some people just cant' understand that AD 2021, Merc lost a race that was theirs to lose. All they had to do is pit. They had the faster car, they'd get out second but no.
So , as the sore losers that we all know them to do, they blamed everyone else, just like if someone else is faster they just have to cheat.
The sad thing is, we witness certain trolls that support Merc's point of view. Just sad.
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But he would not, unless he'd be in a multiverse (!) where RD would not support his boy and he'd actually give AT LEAST a fair chance to Alonso.
But in a Merc behind Lewis? No.
Alonso would not stand being a #2. So I don't see how he'd have more support. He'd be a psychopath or , more likely just walk.
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