2022 Belgian Grand Prix - Race Thread

[RossTheBoss]

Leave alone titles, we will be struggling to get podiums at the remaining races. Atleast under Domenicali and Arrivabene, Ferrari fought for titles on multiple occasions, even if the usual technical and strategic blunders still occurred. Binotto's reign has been an unmitigated disaster, but he must be sleeping with Elkann, gets away with everything.

Binotto is the worst TP Ferrari have EVER had. When he got Ferrari caught out on the fuel meter TD in 19', that should've told everyone that he was a total buffoon. Now, it's happened again. One of Ferrari's advantages is found out in the grey area of the rules, and Binotto had no plan on how to avoid an embarrassing pace drop that would reveal it.

Fire him. Show him and the rest of the management the door. Enough is enough. And before one his pitiful apologists asks "bbbbbut, who will replace Binotto and his band of clowns? Other teams will hire them!". No front running team in their right minds is going to hire the likes of Binotto and Rueda. They're not gluttons for embarrassment like the Ferrari board are.

[stasera]

Who is paying him to lose?

This level of failure can’t come from incompetence alone, it has to be intentional.

of course yes, maybe fizzy drinkers pay to him or to our team

[RossTheBoss]

Who is paying him to lose?

This level of failure can’t come from incompetence alone, it has to be intentional.

It comes down to money.

They say you get what you pay for, and it's no secret that Binotto makes far less than Wolff and Horner. The latter are businessmen, who want to do whatever it takes to win, by looking for only the best, pushing them, and firing dead weight. That's how you have to run a race team. Like a business. Because that's what it is.

Schumacher, Todt, Brawn, and Byrne weren't cheap. Hell, neither were other techs like Costa and Allison, the latter of whom got poached by Mercedes. And that's it, the dream team was as expensive AF, and Elkaan and the rest of the Ferrari board believe they're above doing that, even as Red Bull poach like crazy. Ferrari these days would rather ride the coattails of old success, and pay Binotto 1/3 (if that) of the likes of a qualified TP.

[paneristi]

Disgrace performance from the whole team (except the drivers)

Well said

[stasera]

sainz looked fast as hell, he drove the car in its limits. but the car was shamefully slow as hell

[SB92]

Binotto is the worst TP Ferrari have EVER had. When he got Ferrari caught out on the fuel meter TD in 19', that should've told everyone that he was a total buffoon. Now, it's happened again. One of Ferrari's advantages is found out in the grey area of the rules, and Binotto had no plan on how to avoid an embarrassing pace drop that would reveal it.

Fire him. Show him and the rest of the management the door. Enough is enough. And before one his pitiful apologists asks "bbbbbut, who will replace Binotto and his band of clowns? Other teams will hire them!". No front running team in their right minds is going to hire the likes of Binotto and Rueda. They're not gluttons for embarrassment like the Ferrari board are.

No one will hire clowns like these. Im pretty sure that next year's car is going to be a dud, just like how our pathetic attempts to cheat in 2019 got found out and resulted in an absolutely disgraceful 2020. Every big team pushes the envelope but only a fool like Binotto gets caught.

[SB92]

sainz looked fast as hell, he drove the car in its limits. but the car was shamefully slow as hell

Its very strange how this pathetically poor race pace didnt show up in FP. Something very weird is going on with this team, on mediums, we were absolutely atrocious although things didnt look half as bad on friday.

I was expecting Verstappen to win anyway, but holy hell, the gap to RB in race pace is very demoralizing.

[RossTheBoss]

No one will hire clowns like these. Im pretty sure that next year's car is going to be a dud, just like how our pathetic attempts to cheat in 2019 got found out and resulted in an absolutely disgraceful 2020. Every big team pushes the envelope but only a fool like Binotto gets caught.

That's what happens when you try to go cheap on personnel in a race team.

What made Ferrari so great in the past, to put it bluntly, was money. Money was no object, and so they'd hire the best people possible.

Horner isn't cheap. Max Verstappen isn't cheap. Adrian Newey and his team aren't cheap. The dozens of Mercedes engineers Red Bull poached weren't cheap.

Binotto and Mekies are cheap, and boy does it show.

[wisepie]

Another messy race and it showed on the drivers' faces, what the hell were they thinking pitting Charles for attempted but failed FL, then getting a 5sec penalty for speeding in the pitlane and dropping him down to P6, after he'd passed Alonso. Maybe too much downforce led to our lack of speed but the whole race was another depressing and embarrassing spectacle. At least Carlos managed a podium but for Charles he was sabotaged once again. Now any WDC/WDC hopes are gone, we'll be lucky to get another podium at this rate.

[stasera]

Its very strange how this pathetically poor race pace didnt show up in FP. Something very weird is going on with this ream, on mediums, we were absolutely atrocious although things didnt look half as bad on friday.

I was expecting Verstappen to win anyway, but holy hell, the gap to RB in race pace is very demoralizing.

as I mentioned before, (I will attach the message below) we are neither closer to RB and nor we are fastest car as before the summer break. if you remember first and second races specially arabia, RB had incredible advantage on the straight line. but we were faster in the corners.

however it changed gradually with the time passes, RB lost their straight line speed advantage against us. well as we remember, Max could not pass through Charles with DRS for 11 laps in France. they were faster than us with 4-6 km advantage.

but with the new regulation for mercs, now we are slower than mercs. I don't think that redbull gain anything against us, we lost. and mercs look gain some pace. but that regulation hit us dramatically.

dont create the best car, make better lobbying on fia

new regulations undermine our pace, we look slower than mercedes

in France, Max was not able to pass Charles with DRS for 11 laps. Their straight line speed advantage was faded completely. but now we are slower than Mercedes cars

unfortunatelly, mercs will be in front of us at the end of the year.


it's possible end

Constructors: RB, Mercs, Ferrari
Drivers: Max, Perez, Russell, Sainz, Leclerc

[Portago]

Love is fleeting...

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[SilverSpeed]

Hope this will cheer you up



Feels just like I'm watching a F1 race .

[stefa]

Hope this will cheer you up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK6TXMsvgQg

Feels just like I'm watching a F1 race .

It instantly brought smile to my face!!!

[paneristi]

Another messy race and it showed on the drivers' faces, what the hell were they thinking pitting Charles for attempted but failed FL, then getting a 5sec penalty for speeding in the pitlane and dropping him down to P6, after he'd passed Alonso. Maybe too much downforce led to our lack of speed but the whole race was another depressing and embarrassing spectacle. At least Carlos managed a podium but for Charles he was sabotaged once again. Now any WDC/WDC hopes are gone, we'll be lucky to get another podium at this rate.

successfully ruining the legendary name. Back then Enzo sold cars to finance the race. Now, they’re using F1 to sell red merchandise

[paolo lalli]

As I said in a previous post enjoy the 2nd half of the clown show lost for words and I don't care.Ferrari are getting what they totally deserve , in every way possible, can't wait for the excuses and reasoning fot there spectacular incompitence I hope the italian and global media roast those idiots on pit wall.

[phsyklone]

From the drivers comments it seems like set up and tyres are to blame. Every time we have inclimate weather we loose our direction in terms of set up

[phsyklone]

From the drivers comments it seems like set up and tyres are to blame. Every time we have inclimate weather we loose our direction in terms of set up. I honestly don't think red bull took a leap forward its more like ferrari took a step back in terms of set up and weekend anticipations

[jgonzalesm6]

So....

Max Verstappen is 93 points clear of his closest rival. If he can extend that with 37 points by the end of Singapore in 3 races time, he will be 130 points clear. Then, with just 5 races to go (5x 25 points + 5x 1point FL = 130 points) he will be World Champion

[nani_s23]

Binotto on the championship:

"The gap to Max is very high. It will not be sufficient for Charles to win all the races, or to finish ahead of him. So we count on Max not finishing races."

Super TP we have.

[nani_s23]

Binotto:

"We have to look at the weekend data. We had problems with tyre degradation, so it's not a problem of aerodynamic efficiency or power."

"It's more related to how the tyres are managed. It's a lesson to be learned, we'll do our best."


2 years lessons learnt isn’t enough to this guy.

[nani_s23]

Binotto:

"We are disappointed and somehow unhappy. Well done to Red Bull - they have been really fast all weekend."

"They have been faster than anyone else. They have a competitive package and a competitive team capable of developing the car."

This guy is saying or accepting we can’t have competitive team.

[F2008]

This is a season full of disappointments. Either Ferrari is fastest and somehow manage to mess it up, or they are completely outperformed by Red Bull and still mess it up.

[nani_s23]

Binotto:

"Mercedes has improved in the last few races. They finished behind us today and this is important for us, but we have to consider them for the next races."

"But more than the others, we have to focus on ourselves and push on development."


Now he realised that our 2nd position is under threat & also we are fighting with Mercs.

Congrats to Max for WDC & RB for WCC title. Super team.

Being fighting till the end last year & coming up with super car this season (I think they will dominate till 2025) really hats off.

[nani_s23]

Carlos Sainz on Monza:

“Monza should favour Red Bull.

[SS454]

Binotto:

"We have to look at the weekend data. We had problems with tyre degradation, so it's not a problem of aerodynamic efficiency or power."

"It's more related to how the tyres are managed. It's a lesson to be learned, we'll do our best."


2 years lessons learnt isn’t enough to this guy.

Tires had nothing to do with the top speed disadvantage Ferrari had.

[tifosi1993]

Binotto on the championship:

"The gap to Max is very high. It will not be sufficient for Charles to win all the races, or to finish ahead of him. So we count on Max not finishing races."

Super TP we have.

Funny guy. Free pit stop under the SC in Silverstone but they refused to pit him. Pitted him for hards in Hungary when all the hard tyre runners suffered massively with graining. And he was leading the race on both occasions. Not to mention Monaco, a track where overtaking is pretty much impossible, they pitted him twice in span of 4 laps which resulted in Charles going from P1 to P4.

But there were no mistakes or nothing needed to be changed, according to our funny TP.

[nani_s23]

Binotto feels there is “no need at all” to rethink Ferrari’s strategy decisions.

“If I look back at the season, there are a lot of outside perceptions compared to the reality.”

“Sometimes things are perceived as a mistake, when we are not doing a mistake.”


Binotto says that Ferrari has deficits in the efficiency of aero and the power unit compared to Red Bull:

"I am particularly concerned that they drove with less downforce and were still able to set strong times in the middle sector, where you need downforce."

In addition, Red Bull was also better in terms of tyre wear, which according to Binotto was the main reason for Ferrari‘s loss:

"We have to investigate this and sort it out for for the next races."


Already in Zandvoort, Binotto said that Ferrari wants to be closer again. Despite the large gap in the championship, the team will not give up on the season.

Binotto: "Everything we learn about our weaknesses this year will also help us with next year's car."



So next year never ends for Ferrari…… wait continues

[nani_s23]

Ferrari Jock Clear affirms that nothing had to be changed on the F1-75 to comply with the TD.

But he also warned: "We will only know in a few races whether we have to set our car a bit higher compared to before. For that we need the experience of several tracks."

So the TD could still become a factor that causes changes at the front in the future. In Zandvoort, teams could again be forced to drive higher than desired.

Mercedes engineers fear: "Then we could experience a second Spa.."

@AMus

[SS454]

Binotto feels there is “no need at all” to rethink Ferrari’s strategy decisions.

“If I look back at the season, there are a lot of outside perceptions compared to the reality.”

“Sometimes things are perceived as a mistake, when we are not doing a mistake.”


Binotto says that Ferrari has deficits in the efficiency of aero and the power unit compared to Red Bull:

"I am particularly concerned that they drove with less downforce and were still able to set strong times in the middle sector, where you need downforce."

In addition, Red Bull was also better in terms of tyre wear, which according to Binotto was the main reason for Ferrari‘s loss:

"We have to investigate this and sort it out for for the next races."


Already in Zandvoort, Binotto said that Ferrari wants to be closer again. Despite the large gap in the championship, the team will not give up on the season.

Binotto: "Everything we learn about our weaknesses this year will also help us with next year's car."



So next year never ends for Ferrari…… wait continues

So one minute he says its not down to aero efficiency, and then says Ferrari lacks aero efficiency compared to Red Bull? And if he can't see all the mistakes Ferrari are doing, then he really needs to find a new job. Ferrari's lack of accountability is appalling.

[nani_s23]

Spa is a special case in terms of car ride height because of Eau Rouge and a nasty bump in the Stavelot corners. The teams have to raise their cars five to six millimetres higher than usual. This would have happened even without the TD!
In fact, this time the ride height had to be raised even more than the engineers had calculated. This was due to the bump between Turn 14 and 15, which put Ferrari and Mercedes in a window where their aerodynamics could no longer deliver the downforce they were used to.As a consequence, both Ferrari and Mercedes had to trim the suspension harder than usual, which also cost mechanical grip. The Red Bull felt comfortable with more ride height and therefore also reached its normal form.So the TD against bouncing had practically no influence on the balance of power in Spa.”

@AMus