2022 Dutch Grand Prix - Race Thread

[FerrariF60]

IF Max wins the races up to Singapore.....Max wins the WDC title.

Let’s be honest, Max is already the champion
Ferrari have already dropped the ball and Charles would have been his only competitor this year...but all of a sudden since the TD we have lost major pace, our tire deg seems really poor and on top of that we probably defined the engine as well so we can actually finish races without PU blowouts

We have A LOT OF WORK TO DO FOR NEXT YEAR....if we wanna challenge for wins and the championship

[WS6TransAm01]

No threats.

Charles P2 WDC

If you’re not first, you’re last.

[jgonzalesm6]

No threats.

Charles P2 WDC

You realize Leclerc is tied with Perez......201 pts.....yes??

[Greig]

You realize Leclerc is tied with Perez......201 pts.....yes??

You realise he is P2 in the WDC....yes??

[jgonzalesm6]

Let’s be honest, Max is already the champion

Technically and officially speaking.

Ferrari have already dropped the ball and Charles would have been his only competitor this year...but all of a sudden since the TD we have lost major pace, our tire deg seems really poor and on top of that we probably defined the engine as well so we can actually finish races without PU blowouts

We have A LOT OF WORK TO DO FOR NEXT YEAR....if we wanna challenge for wins and the championship

agreed.

[jgonzalesm6]

You realise he is P2 in the WDC....yes??

yes.....but for how long?? Hopefully he stays P2 given the number of races left in the season...............

[nani_s23]

yes.....but for how long?? Hopefully he stays P2 given the number of races left in the season...............

Next set of tracks are powered tracks. Give our tyre deg & lack of development + our Pit strategy combined with slow pit stops. It’s difficult for Charles to keep that 2nd in WDC.

[tifosi1993]

What an impeccable display of failed leadership we have been witnessing this year.

Started this year with the fastest car and a driver who's more than capable of lifting the title. But rather than doubling down and bolting upgrades on the car, we had to wait for the Spanish GP, the 5th race on the calendar, to witness some meaningful upgrades on the car. While Red Bull kept on upgrading their car and made it fully suited to Max.

Binotto on the other hand kept on complaining about budget cap, how they need to help Sainz with the F1-75, ignoring all the mistakes from the pit wall and defending their incompetence with his own incompetence as a leader, throwing his fingers at Charles infornt of the public cause Charles dared to question their stupid strategy that costed him an easy win Silverstone, kept on complaining about budget car while the competitors kept on developing their cars. Was incapable of playing any politics whatsoever. Accepted FIA's interference in the championship and what not.

And still the upgrades are missing. The F1-75 is a great car but it simply hasn't been upgraded as much as it's direct competitors. The RB18 and the Merc are the two most heavily upgraded cars while the F1-75 is one of the least upgraded car on the grid. Pathetic.

[jgonzalesm6]

Next set of tracks are powered tracks. Give our tyre deg & lack of development + our Pit strategy combined with slow pit stops. It’s difficult for Charles to keep that 2nd in WDC.

That's my thinking as well.

[jgonzalesm6]

Binotto: "Today we are not satisfied. We weren't fast. We made a mess in Carlos' pit. With Charles we were unlucky in strategy. We think Carlos lost pace in the incident with Lewis. We will do our best in Monza."

[drax]

Any upgrades expected for Monza the famous new rear suspension ?

[FFFerrari]

The pit crew has done a LOT of unforced errors this year, way too many for a premier team. Add that to the mechanical meltdowns we had and it is a surprise that we are still clinging to the 2nd spot. This race was no exception.

[WS6TransAm01]

What an impeccable display of failed leadership we have been witnessing this year.

Started this year with the fastest car and a driver who's more than capable of lifting the title. But rather than doubling down and bolting upgrades on the car, we had to wait for the Spanish GP, the 5th race on the calendar, to witness some meaningful upgrades on the car. While Red Bull kept on upgrading their car and made it fully suited to Max.

Binotto on the other hand kept on complaining about budget cap, how they need to help Sainz with the F1-75, ignoring all the mistakes from the pit wall and defending their incompetence with his own incompetence as a leader, throwing his fingers at Charles infornt of the public cause Charles dared to question their stupid strategy that costed him an easy win Silverstone, kept on complaining about budget car while the competitors kept on developing their cars. Was incapable of playing any politics whatsoever. Accepted FIA's interference in the championship and what not.

And still the upgrades are missing. The F1-75 is a great car but it simply hasn't been upgraded as much as it's direct competitors. The RB18 and the Merc are the two most heavily upgraded cars while the F1-75 is one of the least upgraded car on the grid. Pathetic.

Binotto’s failures are indefensible by all but the most feeble among us.

[jgonzalesm6]

Russell out-strategized Lewis's strategist. This kid can multi-task....and it's not the first time he has done this.

[nani_s23]

Any upgrades expected for Monza the famous new rear suspension ?

I don’t know what’s going into Ferrari’s mind.

Saniz is taking penalty in Monza.

Carlos Sainz confirmed two important things. That it will mount a new PU soon, we confirm that it will do so in Monza. The new hybrid, in addition to being more efficient, weighs 2 kg less, bringing the car in line with the minimum weight

[nani_s23]

Binotto: "Today we are not satisfied. We weren't fast. We made a mess in Carlos' pit. With Charles we were unlucky in strategy. We think Carlos lost pace in the incident with Lewis. We will do our best in Monza."

He said at the start of season “winning titles is not in the agenda now it’s much more than that”. He should be satisfied with this show.

[nani_s23]

Charles Leclerc : “I mean Red Bull is the faster car at the moment, especially in race pace. In quali, I think we are very close. Mercedes seems to have gained a bit performance in race pace too, it‘s looking difficult."

[nani_s23]

Binotto:

“Today we are not satisfied. We lacked pace and this has been happening for some races already.”

“When you are worried about the pace, and you do not live up to expectations, the causes must be investigated.”


Porpoising issue isn’t resolved, no upgrades, no fixes for our race pace since couple of races.

[nani_s23]

Mattia Binotto on Monza:

“We are happy to return to a full Monza in which grandstands have also been added.”

“We feel the responsibility, the fans have followed us closely, we will do our best.”

[WS6TransAm01]

He said at the start of season “winning titles is not in the agenda now it’s much more than that”. He should be satisfied with this show.

What I want to know is; what is “more” than winning the titles? Why are you here if you’re not aiming to win? Sometimes you have to wonder how these losers gets appointed to their station. It’s mind boggling.

[WS6TransAm01]

Binotto:

“Today we are not satisfied. We lacked pace and this has been happening for some races already.”

“When you are worried about the pace, and you do not live up to expectations, the causes must be investigated.”

The cause is Binotto’s crap leadership. Investigation closed.

[paolo lalli]

Just suck it up the train wreck will be over soon no more words I just laugh i find it helps immensly. The f1 sporting world have seen the mistake riddled ferrari team in full flight.cant wait to hear from Binotto potter then I really start laughing.RIP ferrari 2022.

[nani_s23]

The cause is Binotto’s crap leadership. Investigation closed.

Yup … correctly said. These mistakes are going too long.

[Michal2_F1]

Another race, another amateurish blunder. This has been unacceptable from Ferrari for a long time. Mattia Binotto is a great engineer, Ferrari built their best cars since 2008 under his technical leadership in 2017 and 2018 and there is his place. He does not have a character to be an effective team principal for this team. Ferrari is always under a lot of pressure and has to be managed by a strong and charismatic person. I remember many people lauding his appointment and thinking it was the remaining piece of the puzzle to bring the championship to Maranello. I was sceptical from the beginning and unfortunately I was right.

Was Arrivabene the answer? I don't know but the 2018 car was very good and the main problem was the driver - Vettel, who was making so many mistakes. If he was driving as well as Hamilton then the championship would go all the way to Abu Dhabi. Mercedes might have got a small edge pace-wise overall but it was really close and the team wasn't doing badly on the pitwall.

Everyone makes mistakes. It happens to the best of us and it's wrong to blame or fire people for one or two wrong decisions. But if it happens for the 100th time then it's a different matter. You need changes. It's not like Ferrari is suddenly crumbling in 2022 while being strong operationally before. Remember 2019 and strategic errors time and time again? Back then and now there has been indecisiveness like "we're checking", "we'll get back to you".

Doubling down and supporting your team publicly is good but you can do that to a certain moment. And we are way past that moment, because no one is buying that anymore and Binotto has turned Ferrari into a laughing stock. It is only fuelling that criticism. The Ferrari employees aren't stupid people living in a cave - they have internet, they have families, they know how they are being viewed week in, week out. They must be feeling really down and it's hard to imagine it is not impacting their work and this whole atmosphere is really toxic and something must change. The tifosi aren't feeling great either when reading the comments about this whole team and listening to the TP who says all is fine. No, Mr Binotto, it is not a good situation. Inaki Rueda should be fired, it's unbelievable he still holds the job.

[SilverSpeed]

Nope there's still nothing wrong with our team says Binotto .

[wisepie]

What an impeccable display of failed leadership we have been witnessing this year.

Started this year with the fastest car and a driver who's more than capable of lifting the title. But rather than doubling down and bolting upgrades on the car, we had to wait for the Spanish GP, the 5th race on the calendar, to witness some meaningful upgrades on the car. While Red Bull kept on upgrading their car and made it fully suited to Max.

Binotto on the other hand kept on complaining about budget cap, how they need to help Sainz with the F1-75, ignoring all the mistakes from the pit wall and defending their incompetence with his own incompetence as a leader, throwing his fingers at Charles infornt of the public cause Charles dared to question their stupid strategy that costed him an easy win Silverstone, kept on complaining about budget car while the competitors kept on developing their cars. Was incapable of playing any politics whatsoever. Accepted FIA's interference in the championship and what not.

And still the upgrades are missing. The F1-75 is a great car but it simply hasn't been upgraded as much as it's direct competitors. The RB18 and the Merc are the two most heavily upgraded cars while the F1-75 is one of the least upgraded car on the grid. Pathetic.

That sums it all up, and still Binotto and his 'team' don't appear to have a clue as to where our pace has gone and why we're suffering such bad tyre deg. The pitlane and strategy errors just keep piling up and we're a laughing stock. Both Charles and Carlos did their best but it's painful to watch our team embarrass themselves every weekend. God help us in Monza.

[stasera]

the new regulation caused us to lose our pace. RB is not our rival anymore. it's mercedes, they gained incredibly pace after the regulation, which bought for them by the fia


Drivers standing would be Max, Perez (russell or leclerc)
and Contructors standing would be RB, Mercedes, Ferrari

there is a lot of race to lose second place, with this pace we dont seem like to keep the second place, instead of making great car, we have to make great lobbying inside of the fia.

look at Mercedes, they could not create a good car, but they pruned the rules according to their slow cars.

[Golfsmith]

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[nani_s23]

Russell out-strategized Lewis's strategist. This kid can multi-task....and it's not the first time he has done this.

He’s been doing all the same at Williams as well. That’s what you need.

You need to pick your moments & take the calls based on the situation.

Charles need to do that

[stefa]

What I want to know is; what is “more” than winning the titles? Why are you here if you’re not aiming to win? Sometimes you have to wonder how these losers gets appointed to their station. It’s mind boggling.

It is really mindfudging