SF23 Discussion Thread

[JacKy]

Idk. Rumors about the new floor and suspensions never ends.

[TTRSMAD]

Idk. Rumors about the new floor and suspensions never ends.

Time will tell but I have a feeling that they understand what needs to be done to get back at the front. Austria will be a big test if they can replicate what they did in Montreal. Leclerc is very good on this track and the racing will be very exciting on a dry track. If they bring upgrades, watch out.

[FerrariF60]

Time will tell but I have a feeling that they understand what needs to be done to get back at the front. Austria will be a big test if they can replicate what they did in Montreal. Leclerc is very good on this track and the racing will be very exciting on a dry track. If they bring upgrades, watch out.

austria has quite a few high speed corners and is different than Montreal, which the sf23 kind of lacks in that dept. but who knows, if they bring some updates and they work will be interesting to see how fast the Ferrari will be there

[nani_s23]

Idk. Rumors about the new floor and suspensions never ends.

New suspension is planned for 2024

What’s coming for next tracks is New floor/Front wing & brake ducts.

[paolo lalli]

Why are they rumours ferrari have hardly spent any of there allocated budget cap so big upgrades should be forthcoming.Iam sure they want these upgrades implemented ASAP to either rule them in or out.Correlation with wind tunnel will play a massive role with there timing and implementation.Ferrari are moving in the right direction iam sure with a new philosophy and approach.Lets not forget how messy and dirty the kitchen was left at ferrari so to speak.

[PURE PASSION]

Ferrari exclusive: Cardile wants the new fund on the track at Fiorano immediately!

Ferrari introduced the first major aerodynamics package at the Spanish Grand Prix . Something that was defined as very visible because, as we have seen, it changed the appearance of the SF-23.

In particular, the rear now has a very different connection towards the diffuser slide, compared to the tanks that were introduced with the F1-75. However it is only the first step, the chorus of engineers is always unanimous on one thing: what really matters to make this generation of cars work is what you can't see, namely under the floor.

The design is not visible until the cars are accidentally lifted with cranes, as happened in Monaco. Likewise, at the first corner in Montreal, Carlos Sainz's exit gave us the possibility to still look under the SF-23.

The fund introduced in Barcelona is the second 'updated floor' after Miami . Heavily updated the edge with the aim of widening its use according to the heights to reduce harmful jumping.

A step forward which, however, sounded like an about-face, that is, agreeing to reduce performance on a single lap in order to open up better set-up scenarios. In fact, the appearance was not so different in the function of the venturi channels, if not in a first modification in the throat area of ​​the diffuser.

However, the technicians are not at all worried about the spoiler since it is an element that will change significantly, as soon as possible.
According to what has been learned, Enrico Cardile pushed very hard to quickly equip the SF-23 with a rather different fund . The technicians have already been given a mandate to send the production mold to the autoclave and make the specimens available to the team over the next race weekends. It is not clear whether they will be able to bring 3 specimens to Austria, also in consideration of the breathless format of the sprint, which sees the cars go into qualifying on Friday.

The good news is that Ferrari will hold the second Filming day at Fiorano on Tuesday with the first specimen of the new fund! In addition, the package includes a new front wing and new front brake ducts.

The production times of the autoclave
They always depend on the complexity of the design as it is one of the handicraft works in the factory. The technician works the carbon in the mold of the part to be produced and then puts it in the oven and fires it. The processing is quite complex since it is necessary to heat the part and cool it several times and slowly. The pressurization to which the material is subjected prevents the formation of micro air bubbles which can make the piece less resistant. A floor is certainly the part most under stress together with the tyres.

Build quality actually depends on knowledge of carbon machining and tooling. This makes us understand that when it comes to implementing a fund, even minimally, the process cannot be quick or cheap.

However, the tenor and haste with which the production of this third floor of the season is being accelerated suggests a concrete step forward.

Unlike the F1-75, the SF-23 never raced with the trim parameters for which it was designed

We now have constant evidence that understanding new parts is essential but not lightning fast, the simulator can do a good job but development remains a rather fragile path that takes miles. An incorrect difference in height adjustments in millimeters can have a large operational impact. It is worth mentioning that the technicians were in for a nasty surprise when the car was put down at the Bahrain tests. In reality, in terms of pure aerodynamics, the correlation has always been good, the problem was the set-up options with which the 675 was born, which did not give the expected results.
New suspension on the 676 car
In short, there was no convergence between mechanics, wind tunnel and what happened on the track. Nobody forbids thinking of the 2023 and 2024 car with the same intensity, however it is not possible to redesign the entire dynamic platform of the current car due to budget constraints and hours in tunnels and CFDs. That's why, despite some rumors, any new suspension project is eagerly awaited on the 676 and we won't see it this season . From what filters from the technical office, after the good response from Montreal, this convergence of performance will gradually be achieved with these updates.

[Tony]

"Unlike the F1-75, the SF-23 never raced with the trim parameters for which it was designed"

What does this mean?

[PURE PASSION]

"Unlike the F1-75, the SF-23 never raced with the trim parameters for which it was designed"

What does this mean?

i was wondering that myself. Is it has to do with the new ground rules and TD39?? Like the sf-23 was design with similar characteristics as the F!-75??
Although it doesnt make sense , since they knew about this rules !!!!!

[RossTheBoss]

"Unlike the F1-75, the SF-23 never raced with the trim parameters for which it was designed"

What does this mean?

It means that they're not able to run the SF-23 at the downforce settings it's designed for. Likely, the purposing and degradation is behind that.

Once the handling is more stable, they'll able to run the car at downforce setting they want, and run with less downforce on power tracks again.

[tifosi1993]

"Unlike the F1-75, the SF-23 never raced with the trim parameters for which it was designed"

What does this mean?

Nothing, just some fancy jargon from Italian media pretending to be expert on everything F1. F1 cars are one of the most complex pieces of engineering novelty and way above the pay grade of all those media experts in Italy. Only Ferrari and Ferrari alone knows the parameters of the SF23 and the targets they were trying to reach with this car when designing it.

[TTRSMAD]

"Unlike the F1-75, the SF-23 never raced with the trim parameters for which it was designed"

What does this mean?

It means they qualify the car with a set up not adapted for race trim. The set up window to compromise between race trim and qualifying trim is too narrow. Usually you set up the car in a way to qualify as high up as possible.

When they set up the car with optimal parameters to carry 100kg of fuel, they are slow. The car does not generate enough downforce from the floor because if it did the set up window with be wider.

[Tony]

It means they qualify the car with a set up not adapted for race trim. The set up window to compromise between race trim and qualifying trim is too narrow. Usually you set up the car in a way to qualify as high up as possible.

When they set up the car with optimal parameters to carry 100kg of fuel, they are slow. The car does not generate enough downforce from the floor because if it did the set up window with be wider.

Ah, when they say "raced" they meant it literally.... race day.

[Brembo]

Never a word about Ferarri's engine compared to others. Sidepods , the floor; tyre wear; etc. that's it. Is it that good that the engine is near perfect? Is the HP there when
needed esp. on the straghtaways

[Golfsmith]

F1 cars are one of the most complex pieces of engineering novelty and way above the pay grade of all those media experts in Italy.

Italy alone,i think the rest of the world media and the current commentators in F1.

[Brembo]

A couple of 1 2podium wins and the Media D' Italia will calm right down.

[FerrariF60]

A couple of 1 2podium wins and the Media D' Italia will calm right down.

not this year....with any luck maybe in 2024

[paolo lalli]

All I can say is that iam very optimistic for the remainder of the season and I can see a resurgent ferrari.In marananello let me tell you they are moving heaven and earth to make this happen.As for the engine as marko has stated its probably the best on the grid,a few new components and no doubt it will all come together sooner than we think.Ferrari are just to big to just fail.Expect a very fast ferrari in Austria and please do not say that you did not see it coming because like a fright train it's arriving Expect the unexpected..

[TTRSMAD]

All I can say is that iam very optimistic for the remainder of the season and I can see a resurgent ferrari.In marananello let me tell you they are moving heaven and earth to make this happen.As for the engine as marko has stated its probably the best on the grid,a few new components and no doubt it will all come together sooner than we think.Ferrari are just to big to just fail.Expect a very fast ferrari in Austria and please do not say that you did not see it coming because like a fright train it's arriving Expect the unexpected..

I agree, the performance of the SF-23 has been a slap in the face for Ferrari. It's like if last year's car was a fluke by not understanding what made the car so good. Thing are turning around and it's good to see.

It looks like at the Spain Pirelli tire test, they learned how to make their car work, at least I hope. All of a sudden, this Tuesday, they are rushing to bring a new floor to test at Fiorano during the filming day to maybe bring in Austria.

This means they maybe learned how to unlock the potential of this car or else they would not rush the floor in this manner.

[FerrariF60]

i just read that now the new floor will only be ready in a few weeks time, possibly in Hungary

https://www.gptoday.com/full_story/v...n_a_few_weeks/


so whatever happened to ferrari rushing this floor to be ready for a "filming day" and possibly racing it in austria???

again false rumors, i guess....

[paolo lalli]

This year is being used by ferrari as a testing year moving foward.The year has already been written off. The remainder of the season will be evolution ,planning, and live testing during races as part of 2025 season.The clean up at ferrari is ongoing but it's happening ,I will enjoy watching the SF 23 Evolve between now and then.

[Brembo]

Hopefully our drivers show up for the races with hopes for a podium. Not thinking 2025 . Fans also hopefully will watch Ferrari with hopes for podiums 2023. Carlos; Alonso; Lewis;Max are worth watching! Enjoy Sunday's sprint race!

[nani_s23]

Charles driving the SF-23 during the filming day in Fiorano today!
He was driving with the new floor. Important changes in the crucial entrance area of the Venturi tunnels, where Ferrari opted for a solution already seen on the RB19 and on the AMR23

@formu1a.uno

[tifosi1993]

https://formu1a-uno.translate.goog/f..._x_tr_pto=wapp

[tifosi1993]

I think it would be fair to call this car SF23-B. This car is completely different from the one that raced in Monaco and previous races.

[Greig]

Hopefully data is good from the test track and we bring them to Austria, if they work then get them on the car ASAP.

[FerrariF60]

Hopefully data is good from the test track and we bring them to Austria, if they work then get them on the car ASAP.

indeed fingers crossed that the data they are getting from this test is good and they can use it

question is, do they have enough parts for both cars?? Because we’ve seen in the past times when they tested something and it worked, they did not use updates as they only had one set and it wouldn’t be fair for the drivers that ONLY one driver gets them.

[nani_s23]

Finally, the new front wing is clearly lighter, returning to a design that is no longer too far from the F1-75. Outwash is minor as is drag. This shows that aero map corrections have been worked on via the floor

@Formu1a.uno

[JPZ]

I think it would be fair to call this car SF23-B. This car is completely different from the one that raced in Monaco and previous races.

Looks like I will have to buy two diecast model cars for this year: the SF-23 and the SF-23 Evo

[FerrariF60]

Looks like I will have to buy two diecast model cars for this year: the SF-23 and the SF-23 Evo

i would much rather prefer it being called SF-23 Evil, as in a beast of a car on track....BUT it don't look it like will be this year, maybe in 2024....we'll see

[FerrariF60]

Motorsport.it reports that Vasseur, interviewed by the Italian newspaper "Il Corriere della Sera", stated that the changes have been promoted, but with reservations, given the proto tires used and that the Fiorano track is not as fast as the Red Bull Ring which will have to confirm the progress noted yesterday when what was most sought after was the correlation between simulations and track in the comparison between the SF-23 "B" standard and the one with the new parts (floor, FW and engine cover :?: ).