2023 F1 news/rumours

[Greig]

Nice looking car, changes they have made for this year are quite striking. Out of 4 launches so far, this is the "real" 2023 F1 car, others were mere livery launches.

Yep nice looking livery and car.

[wisepie]

Yep nice looking livery and car.

It could well have been a Ferrari livery and maybe that explains why the Ferrari 2023 team gear has gone back to mostly red rather than red and black. It may be harder for us to identify the cars at a distance on TV, which is annoying for us oldies.

[FerrariF60]

It could well have been a Ferrari livery and maybe that explains why the Ferrari 2023 team gear has gone back to mostly red rather than red and black. It may be harder for us to identify the cars at a distance on TV, which is annoying for us oldies.

if we have a FAST CAR it will be easy to identify mate, as it will be in front....ha, ha...

[SS454]

So Honda are going to hand over the IP of their engine, to let Ford rebadge it, is that correct?

No. I'm saying Red Bull Powertrains is going to design and build an engine using as much knowledge they can attain from being a partner/customer from Honda. Then in 2026 Red Bull puts a Ford sticker on the engines RBPT built. They won't get the IP from Honda, but I suspect they will still get more from them than they will from Ford.

[Tony]

The President is dead, long live the President...

[samboozik]

If this article is true then we sure have some of our political power back in F1.

'Red Bull Ford misses out on newcomer status after Ferrari protest'

Red Bull Powertrains, which will go through life as Red Bull Ford from 2026, would not be granted rookie status by the FIA. La Gazzetta dello Sport reports that Ferrari objected to the status and the Italian racing team was reportedly successful in doing so.

Ferrari president John Elkann and CEO Benedetto Vigna reportedly objected to the newcomer status that would be granted to Red Bull Powertrains once it starts producing its own engines in 2026. On this, the FIA reportedly decided not to grant that status to Red Bull Ford's entry.

'Ferrari blocks newcomer status Red Bull Ford'

The reason: Red Bull Powertrains would already have too much knowledge about engines, despite being a new department within the team. For example, the Italian newspaper cites former Mercedes chief Ben Hodgkinson, who switched to Red Bull's newly created engine department in 2021, as well as a number of other engine experts. In addition, Red Bull's partnership with Honda is said to put it "on par" with Ferrari and Mercedes in terms of engine expertise.

Mercedes, Renault and Audi are said to have joined forces with Ferrari to stop the newcomer status and they seem to have succeeded. According to them, Audi would be the only "real" newcomer and the corresponding status would belong to the German manufacturer.

Ferrari put pressure on FIA

Newcomer status allows new engine manufacturers to invest more resources and test hours in producing the first powerplant for 2026. Ford would have claimed this status had it wanted to enter independently as an engine supplier, starting from scratch, but its partnership with Red Bull means the US brand will not get the special status either.

Ferrari reportedly refused to put its signature to the new engine regulations unless Red Bull was to be taken away the newcomer status. According to the Italian medium, this contributed to the FIA changing tack.

[aroutis]

It could well have been a Ferrari livery and maybe that explains why the Ferrari 2023 team gear has gone back to mostly red rather than red and black. It may be harder for us to identify the cars at a distance on TV, which is annoying for us oldies.

Nah, the P1 and P2 cars , will be red so no issue there :D

[Cavallino]

the way i see it, RBT/Ford and Honda both have equal claims to this IP. Neither can just "forget" it. So future changes not withstanding, we'll have two engines that have the same common lineage. But they do have lineage, ergo, neither should get new manufacturer status.

[Cavallino]

If this article is true then we sure have some of our political power back in F1.

source?

[jgonzalesm6]

source?

www.gazetta.com-->La coalizione Ferrari stoppa il piano motori della Red Bull

or

www.it.motorsport.com --> F1 | Il caso RedBull Powertrains: nuovo motorista, ma parziale

[Tony]

If this article is true then we sure have some of our political power back in F1.

The FIA probably listened because Mercedes was part of that consortium... those guys have so much pull.... I wouldn't be surprised if it was them that got Ben Sulayem canned....

[jgonzalesm6]

.... I wouldn't be surprised if it was them that got Ben Sulayem canned....

Actually, the drivers were against Sulayem "shutting them up" along with teams as well. Domenicalli said F1 will not keep F1 drivers quiet.

[Toothlessrage*]

Finally, some good news...

Red Bull will not enjoy the status of "new constructor" in 2026: a victory for Ferrari

Link: https://www.oasport.it/2023/02/f1-la...della-ferrari/

A victory for Ferrari? It would seem so. As explained in La Gazzetta dello Sport, Red Bull will not have the status of new engine manufacturer in the 2026 World Championship, the year of the technical revolution on hybrid engines, because this would have given it too many advantages over the competition.

What does the regulation say about this? New builders in the aforementioned year will be granted an investment of 25 million more dollars over three years and more hours on the dyno for development than those who are already part of the Circus. An aspect that, apparently, will concern Audi, but not the Milton Keynes team in terms of concessions.

As is known, from 2026, Red Bull will be associated with Ford and therefore it is natural to ask what the difference is compared to the German brand. The answer is not difficult: the Anglo-Austrian asset is already based on engineers who have a long experience in F1, acquiring until 2025 the intellectual property of the Honda power unit with which it currently competes, as explained on the Rosea.

Consequently, the knowledge base is such that Red Bull Ford cannot be considered a " newcorner ". If the American House had created a similar project to Audi then this would have been possible. This can be interpreted as a victory for the Reds since they had always expressed strong objections in Maranello, accepted by the FIA, on the matter.

[samboozik]

The FIA probably listened because Mercedes was part of that consortium... those guys have so much pull.... I wouldn't be surprised if it was them that got Ben Sulayem canned....

Well I think it's John Elkann who is playing the political game. It's obvious he sacked Binotto because he lacked the political power.
And look what he did at Juventus, he sacked the whole board of directors and hired a new one (mere puppets) because he wants to take matters in his own hands.
I hope he is awake finally and can be a force in the background.

[jgonzalesm6]

If this article is true then we sure have some of our political power back in F1.

Finally, some good news...

Red Bull will not enjoy the status of "new constructor" in 2026: a victory for Ferrari

Link: https://www.oasport.it/2023/02/f1-la...della-ferrari/

A victory for Ferrari? It would seem so. As explained in La Gazzetta dello Sport, Red Bull will not have the status of new engine manufacturer in the 2026 World Championship, the year of the technical revolution on hybrid engines, because this would have given it too many advantages over the competition.

What does the regulation say about this? New builders in the aforementioned year will be granted an investment of 25 million more dollars over three years and more hours on the dyno for development than those who are already part of the Circus. An aspect that, apparently, will concern Audi, but not the Milton Keynes team in terms of concessions.

As is known, from 2026, Red Bull will be associated with Ford and therefore it is natural to ask what the difference is compared to the German brand. The answer is not difficult: the Anglo-Austrian asset is already based on engineers who have a long experience in F1, acquiring until 2025 the intellectual property of the Honda power unit with which it currently competes, as explained on the Rosea.

Consequently, the knowledge base is such that Red Bull Ford cannot be considered a " newcorner ". If the American House had created a similar project to Audi then this would have been possible. This can be interpreted as a victory for the Reds since they had always expressed strong objections in Maranello, accepted by the FIA, on the matter.

RedBull will only get 90% engine supplier status.

[Toothlessrage*]

RedBull will only get 90% engine supplier status.

New engine supplier status?

[Williams F1 Fan]

Hello Everyone. Sorry I have not Posted on here for a while, hope you are all well.
Williams Racing have had the Launch of there New Car for 2023. We have a New Sponsor in Gulf. Alex Albon is retained for 2023, and American Logan Sargent takes the second seat.

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Daniel Ricardo has gone back to Red Bull as the third driver/test driver/car development driver, etc. Mick Schumacher has gone to McLaren to fulfill a similar sort of role I believe.
Three Races in America this year, Las Vegas will be interesting.
Take Care Everyone.

[jgonzalesm6]

New engine supplier status?

Autosport

In determining the new status under the financial rules, the FIA splits the manufacturer into three categories: 40% for infrastructure, 50% for ICE status, and 10% for ERS status.

With regard to the third item, the regulations note the FIA will consider "the prior experience of the PU manufacturer in Formula 1 ERS systems, and potential possession of significant recent intellectual property."

It's understood that the new partnership won't be guaranteed full new status because Red Bull Powertrains currently assembles battery packs for the existing Honda engine, and is thus deemed to have some prior knowledge of the technology.


By losing the 10% ERS contribution, its total score drops to 90%. The company will thus be able to take advantage of only 90% of the extra benefits on cost cap and capital expenditure limits that full newcomer Audi will receive.

Red Bull will thus miss out on an extra $1m spending allowance in both 2023 and 2024, and $500,000 in 2025. In addition, it loses $1.5m in capital expenditure benefits over those seasons.

The same three categories are considered separately for the sporting and technical regulations, relating to items such as dyno time.

The weighting for that is 20% infrastructure, 50% ICE, and 30% ERS. However, a manufacturer only needs a total of 50% to get full new supplier rights, and despite the ERS issue Red Bull is at 70%, and therefore meets the criteria.--

[Tony]

Hello Everyone. Sorry I have not Posted on here for a while, hope you are all well.
Williams Racing have had the Launch of there New Car for 2023. We have a New Sponsor in Gulf. Alex Albon is retained for 2023, and American Logan Sargent takes the second seat.

Screenshot_20230210-165654.png

Daniel Ricardo has gone back to Red Bull as the third driver/test driver/car development driver, etc. Mick Schumacher has gone to McLaren to fulfill a similar sort of role I believe.
Three Races in America this year, Las Vegas will be interesting.
Take Care Everyone.

Hopefully an exciting season ahead for all fans

[Tifoso]

Hello Everyone. Sorry I have not Posted on here for a while, hope you are all well.
Williams Racing have had the Launch of there New Car for 2023. We have a New Sponsor in Gulf. Alex Albon is retained for 2023, and American Logan Sargent takes the second seat.

Screenshot_20230210-165654.png

Daniel Ricardo has gone back to Red Bull as the third driver/test driver/car development driver, etc. Mick Schumacher has gone to McLaren to fulfill a similar sort of role I believe.
Three Races in America this year, Las Vegas will be interesting.
Take Care Everyone.

Welcome back.

[qjay]

ready for new season

[tifosi1993]

New Williams FW45

[tifosi1993]

Beautiful car. F1 did a really good job with this regulation, they are the best-looking cars ever, IMO.

Had they been a little lighter, they would have been the fastest F1 car ever.

[Silent Bob]

New Williams FW45

https://cdn.sanity.io/images/fnx611y...-8451x5637.jpg
https://cdn.sanity.io/images/fnx611y...-8172x5448.jpg
https://cdn.sanity.io/images/fnx611y...-7794x5196.jpg

This is kinda how I figured the Ferrari would evolve, with the sweep down of the sidepods towards the floor.

[tifosi1993]

New Mclaren (MCL60)

[patrese86]

Absolutely disgusting livery.

[jgonzalesm6]

AMR23 definitely took a page from last years Ferrari with regard to the "spoon" effect of the top of the sidepod. Quite different car when compared to last years AMR22.

https://twitter.com/autosport/status...799568/photo/1

[jgonzalesm6]

Introducing the Scuderia Ferrari SF-23 | 2023 F1 Car Launch


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f12SjV_VsTU

[Tony]

That Williams livery is beautiful!

The McLaren on the other hand looks like a child threw paint at the wall...

[Tifoso]

That Williams livery is beautiful!

The McLaren on the other hand looks like a child threw paint at the wall...

Exactly, fratello