2023 Monaco Grand Prix - Practice & Qualifying Thread

**WS6TransAm01** · 25th May 2023, 15:41

Originally Posted by FerrariF60

How can a team like Merc bring a whole new car basically with new suspension and all that AND still be within spending budget throughout the year….that is beyond me

Hopefully Ferrari will do the same and screw the budget cap limit

The more important question is why are they capable of producing such a vast upgrade package when Ferrari are sitting there with thumbs in butts? What are they doing differently in the factory, and why is Ferrari unable to do so as well? Why do the other top teams always out develop Ferrari?

Who cares about that money, that is secondary. We already know that going over budget doesn't really matter. RBR did it and they are in a league of their own despite the 10% wind tunnel reduction. You think they care about a $6MM fine?

**jgonzalesm6** · 25th May 2023, 15:55

Originally Posted by FerrariF60

How can a team like Merc bring a whole new car basically with new suspension and all that AND still be within spending budget throughout the year….that is beyond me

Hopefully Ferrari will do the same and screw the budget cap limit

I believe several teams will be over the cap budget for 2023...........to be continued

**tifosi1993** · 25th May 2023, 16:25

Due to the layout, F1 teams eschew upgrade testing in Monaco. But Mercedes turning up with pretty much a b-spec car tells me that they are either very confident with the upgrades or they are desperate and don't want to wait for Spain, regardless if the upgrades are working or not. Hopefully it's the latter.

And as for Ferrari, well I have pretty much given up and no longer expect any substantial aero upgrades from them. Last year, there were talks about new rear suspension and whatnot, and all those talks turned out to be nothing but false rumors. Expecting the same this year as well.

**wisepie** · 25th May 2023, 17:02

Originally Posted by tifosi1993

Due to the layout, F1 teams eschew upgrade testing in Monaco. But Mercedes turning up with pretty much a b-spec car tells me that they are either very confident with the upgrades or they are desperate and don't want to wait for Spain, regardless if the upgrades are working or not. Hopefully it's the latter.

And as for Ferrari, well I have pretty much given up and no longer expect any substantial aero upgrades from them. Last year, there were talks about new rear suspension and whatnot, and all those talks turned out to be nothing but false rumors. Expecting the same this year as well.

We have become so used to the promises of various developments over the past few years, only for it to turn into a cloud of smoke, so my expectations are low too, but wouldn't it be nice to be proved wrong. For once.

**samboozik** · 25th May 2023, 17:19

Originally Posted by wisepie

We have become so used to the promises of various developments over the past few years, only for it to turn into a cloud of smoke, so my expectations are low too, but wouldn't it be nice to be proved wrong. For once.

It would be nice, sadly it's gonna be the opposite.
"We're shifting focus to 2024"
"Next year is gonna be our year"
It's so sad seeing Mercedes introduce a B-spec car so early in the season, regardless if it's gonna work or not, at least they're trying something, meanwhile we have tire degradation issues for 2 years and we can't seem to know what is the cause.

**jgonzalesm6** · 25th May 2023, 18:17

Someone loaded an F40 onto his yacht......only in Monaco and ahead of an F1 weekend.

https://twitter.com/EngineMode11/sta...C99Z2g6I8uAAAA

**paolo lalli** · 25th May 2023, 21:42

Put you r money on desperate there will be no major earth shattering performance forth coming that can topple red bull.Its just about being the best of the rest.

**stefa** · 26th May 2023, 07:36

Originally Posted by WS6TransAm01

The more important question is why are they capable of producing such a vast upgrade package when Ferrari are sitting there with thumbs in butts? What are they doing differently in the factory, and why is Ferrari unable to do so as well? Why do the other top teams always out develop Ferrari?

Who cares about that money, that is secondary. We already know that going over budget doesn't really matter. RBR did it and they are in a league of their own despite the 10% wind tunnel reduction. You think they care about a $6MM fine?

Exactly!!!

**aroutis** · 26th May 2023, 10:57

Originally Posted by WS6TransAm01

The more important question is why are they capable of producing such a vast upgrade package when Ferrari are sitting there with thumbs in butts? What are they doing differently in the factory, and why is Ferrari unable to do so as well? Why do the other top teams always out develop Ferrari?

Who cares about that money, that is secondary. We already know that going over budget doesn't really matter. RBR did it and they are in a league of their own despite the 10% wind tunnel reduction. You think they care about a $6MM fine?

I disagree.
If noone cared and we played out of the rules , then we could also make a car totally different.

**FerrariF60** · 26th May 2023, 11:31

Originally Posted by aroutis

I disagree.
If noone cared and we played out of the rules , then we could also make a car totally different.

So why does Ferrari care and play by the rules religiously when the likes of red bull and Merc don’t give 2 **** about it

Because Ferrari are spineless jelly fish...sadly the Ferrari management of OLd days are long gone....Ferrari nowadays are run by a bunch of klowns

**FerrariF60** · 26th May 2023, 11:37

Any free links for FP1 or FP2 later today?

Thanks

**PURE PASSION** · 26th May 2023, 12:29

Originally Posted by FerrariF60

Any free links for FP1 or FP2 later today?

Thanks

https://www.vipleague.st
https://firstsrowsports.tv/stream
https://www.vipbox.lc/formula-1-live

whatever works

**Super M** · 26th May 2023, 12:30

Originally Posted by FerrariF60

So why does Ferrari care and play by the rules religiously when the likes of red bull and Merc don’t give 2 **** about it

Because Ferrari are spineless jelly fish...sadly the Ferrari management of OLd days are long gone....Ferrari nowadays are run by a bunch of klowns

Nailed it.............Couldn't agree more

**WS6TransAm01** · 26th May 2023, 12:31

Originally Posted by stefa

Exactly!!!

Originally Posted by aroutis

I disagree.

I'm glad we're all on the same page

Originally Posted by FerrariF60

So why does Ferrari care and play by the rules religiously when the likes of red bull and Merc don’t give 2 **** about it

Because Ferrari are spineless jelly fish...sadly the Ferrari management of OLd days are long gone....Ferrari nowadays are run by a bunch of klowns

To quote a very funny Canadian TV show character: "it's not that they don't love to win.. it's that they don't hate to lose."

Ferrari is run by people who find losing acceptable.

**PURE PASSION** · 26th May 2023, 12:32

So Sai 7 tenths in front of Lec in Monaco!!!!
Ok i saw that Lec had a better lap up until the last S , but still its looks like Sai feels more comfortable ??!!!!!

**PURE PASSION** · 26th May 2023, 12:33

So Sai 7 tenths in front of Lec in Monaco!!!!
Ok i saw that Lec had a better lap up until the last S , but still its looks like Sai feels more comfortable ??!!!!!

**Super M** · 26th May 2023, 12:34

Originally Posted by PURE PASSION

So Sai 7 tenths in front of Lec in Monaco!!!!
Ok i saw that Lec had a better lap up until the last S , but still its looks like Sai feels more comfortable ??!!!!!

Not gonna last long, trust me

**tifosi1993** · 26th May 2023, 12:35

Originally Posted by PURE PASSION

So Sai 7 tenths in front of Lec in Monaco!!!!
Ok i saw that Lec had a better lap up until the last S , but still its looks like Sai feels more comfortable ??!!!!!

It's just traffic. From the onboards, Charles didn't look uncomfortable. He did have a snap but overall, he looked quite composed.
This is just FP1, I will be happy if we keep the same position after the end of qualifying.

**tifosi1993** · 26th May 2023, 12:37

FP1: Classification

**FerrariF60** · 26th May 2023, 12:58

Originally Posted by tifosi1993

It's just traffic. From the onboards, Charles didn't look uncomfortable. He did have a snap but overall, he looked quite composed.
This is just FP1, I will be happy if we keep the same position after the end of qualifying.

yeah, Charles will school any teammate at this type of tracks any day of the week....it's just FP1; when it matters he'll push and take pole if the car is somewhat competitive.

we still haven't seen the true hand of red bull/Max and maybe even Alonso on this track.

more to come from FP2....

but yeah, Quali will be very important here as THIS race may be the ONLY one we can actually have a shot at winning this season.....I KNOW, I KNOW......SAD BUT AT THE SAME TIME TRUE.

**aroutis** · 26th May 2023, 13:46

Originally Posted by FerrariF60

So why does Ferrari care and play by the rules religiously when the likes of red bull and Merc don’t give 2 **** about it

Because Ferrari are spineless jelly fish...sadly the Ferrari management of OLd days are long gone....Ferrari nowadays are run by a bunch of klowns

You can call it what you will and complain all you like. Quite honestly it will make zero difference.

What matters is that we play by the rules.

**aroutis** · 26th May 2023, 13:47

Originally Posted by PURE PASSION

So Sai 7 tenths in front of Lec in Monaco!!!!
Ok i saw that Lec had a better lap up until the last S , but still its looks like Sai feels more comfortable ??!!!!!

It is just practice 1, not even practice 2.

**aroutis** · 26th May 2023, 13:52

Originally Posted by WS6TransAm01

I'm glad we're all on the same page

To quote a very funny Canadian TV show character: "it's not that they don't love to win.. it's that they don't hate to lose."

Ferrari is run by people who find losing acceptable.

The answer is right in front of everyone's eyes and it shocks me that I read things that are so wrong.

Ok, a freebie (sorry but all this brings the sarcasm out).
If someone (say RBR, or Merc or whoever) breaks the budget cap and plays outside the rules with no fear they do it because....???
Why because they have the political power to make it not matter (YAY)

Which leads to one definitive conclusion (and that hurts btw).
We don't have enough political leverage to just break the cap and do what RBR did or what apparently Merc does.

So , it's simple, until this is rectified, b*tching bout it only brings friction.

**paolo lalli** · 26th May 2023, 14:46

Stop all the nonsense talk upgrades vary from team to team on when they are mounted and used and the amount
Of upgrading all budget caps are monitored regardless of team.Mercedes have gone all in ferrari are taking a different path,as for ferrari being spinless jelly fish now thats a bit rich.

**PURE PASSION** · 26th May 2023, 15:15

ΗΗΜΜΜ ,still early FP2 ,but in every lap on hards Sai is 0.4-0.5 faster then Lec ???!!!!

**FerrariF60** · 26th May 2023, 15:21

Originally Posted by PURE PASSION

ΗΗΜΜΜ ,still early FP2 ,but in every lap on hards Sai is 0.4-0.5 faster then Lec ???!!!!

i wouldn't read too much into it mate

**PURE PASSION** · 26th May 2023, 15:39

Originally Posted by FerrariF60

i wouldn't read too much into it mate

dont know if its a bit of change of tactic from Lec , not to push too muchon FPs , but looks like its the 1st time that Sai has the edge on him on every lap on every tire.

**WS6TransAm01** · 26th May 2023, 15:44

Carlos bins it a bit...

The constant red flags are insane... I saw something that there were more red flags last year than in the entire history of F1 before it...