2023 Hungarian GP - Race thread

[Tifoso Svedese]

Probably the losers will also agree to Renault's request to equalize the engines to further cement Ferrari finishing last next season Just send a few $$$ to Elkann's bank account and he'll agree to bring the 2020 engine back for the good of the sport

[Kyss4k]

The new front tire construction is messing with Ferrari. They need to solve this big delta between performance over 1 lap and race pace.

Lol like we were great before... We've had issues with tyres all year long. And actually Ferrari said these new tyres are actually good for us.

[patrese86]

Charles said he felt like we had good pace. We've made a slow car that the drivers like to drive. Perfect.

[Kyss4k]

Charles said he felt like we had good pace. We've made a slow car that the drivers like to drive. Perfect.

They're blind. It's like a sect, oblivious to the outside world, thinking they're still the best, skewing results and facts to seem better than they actually are etc...

[nani_s23]

Charles said he felt like we had good pace. We've made a slow car that the drivers like to drive. Perfect.

He was catching Oscar piastri… May be he mentioned reference to that.

But the race pace from Mercs on those middle stints were on another level.

[patrese86]

He was catching Oscar piastri… May be he mentioned reference to that.

But the race pace from Mercs on those middle stints were on another level.

As Duchessa just said though we have a stable car without performance. So it's like an illusion to the drivers. Yes he was catching Piastri slightly but his tyres seemed to not be working well in the last stint. For large parts we were 4th quickest constructor.

[JacKy]

Spa will be another nightmare.

Ready to get lapped by verstappen.

[Aviamata]

Spa will be another nightmare.

Ready to get lapped by verstappen.

I promise i won't watch that race

[JacKy]

I promise i won't watch that race

Better not to watch. RB literally has a pace that can have a lap on us.

This season shaping up to bad as nearly 2020 season.

[Golfsmith]

What an embarrassment by this Ferrari team,they are just nowhere,the dark hole just get darker,good luck to FV to maybe turn this team around.

[Aviamata]

What an embarrassment by this Ferrari team,they are just nowhere,the dark hole just get darker,good luck to FV to maybe turn this team around.

We will see if he could turn anything in 2025

[JacKy]

We will see if he could turn anything in 2025

As the Mclaren shown us that you don’t need years to made a big step.

I’m sorry but i don’t think FV will have any success.

[tifosi1993]

Was busy with work so haven't been able to watch the race. And looking at the result, I haven't missed anything worthwhile.

Not only we can't make any dent to RB's domination, now we are getting outdeveloped and outpaced by the frigging Mclaren, not sure if I should cry or laugh.

[wisepie]

Another embarrassing show from Ferrari and a botched pit-stop for Charles followed by his own speeding in the pit-lane error, not much goes right for us this season. I've been a Ferrari tifoso for more than 50 years and that's why I look and feel 100yrs old, too much pain and intermittent glory has done for me! But we got two cars home in the points for what it's worth, I am dreading Spa. One positive thing is that we have the best-looking car on the grid but it needs a total revamp, how long have we been promised upgrades that actually work? Also the communication between driver and engineer is pathetic to hear on the radio, no wonder Charles in particular gets angry, he should be more forceful like Carlos. Another rather wasted afternoon.

[nani_s23]

Was busy with work so haven't been able to watch the race. And looking at the result, I haven't missed anything worthwhile.

Not only we can't make any dent to RB's domination, now we are getting outdeveloped and outpaced by the frigging Mclaren, not sure if I should cry or laugh.

We don’t need to laugh…!! Top teams are laughing at us.

Now mclaren joined that top team league.

[JacKy]

Just throw this car to the bin. No porpoising , fairly fixed tyre issues yet lacking 1 second on race pace. this is the limits of the philosophy. There is no more areas to develop.

[ntukza]

To use a football analogy, even the lowest team can win a match against the top team, but only the best can create and then maintain a culture and environment that produces regular wins and ultimately a title. Unfortunately, we are a low team. We produced a good car last year and a promising car at the start of this year, but at the core of it we are a weak team that is incapable of sustaining a winning culture. We may very well bring an upgrade or two that work, but we just don't seem to have the team to carry those gains through to a meaningful campaign.

[paolo lalli]

Don't even bother listening or reading ferrari issues.Then the sugar coating that Fred applies to cover the issues.Fred is a yes man a puppet for vigna and elkan.At least binotto could get a fast car together.Ferrari have gone backwards since his departure.All is forgiven bring him back the house has burned.Good job Charles P7 what clowns.

[Greig]

Don't even bother listening or reading ferrari issues.Then the sugar coating that Fred applies to cover the issues.Fred is a yes man a puppet for vigna and elkan.At least binotto could get a fast car together.Ferrari have gone backwards since his departure.All is forgiven bring him back the house has burned.Good job Charles P7 what clowns.

This is still Binotto's team and car, Fred needs more than 7 months to turn this team around.

Anyway don't you now support McLaren?

[FerrariF60]

This is still Binotto's team and car, Fred needs more than 7 months to turn this team around.

Anyway don't you now support McLaren?

So the car that is in the pipeline now for 2024 should technically be under Fred’s name, NO?? As Binoutto is not there no more....Somehow I doubt Fred will do anything different next year about making/turning this team into a winning one....WHY you may ask?? Is because all the good engineers are jumping ship one by one faster than what a LaFerrari does 0 to100.....There is currently NOTHING at Ferrari that will attract any TOP engineer anymore, those days are LONG gone

Ferrari has become the laughingstock of the paddock

Sad but totally true

[Greig]

So the car that is in the pipeline now for 2024 should technically be under Fred’s name, NO?? As Binoutto is not there no more....Somehow I doubt Fred will do anything different next year about making/turning this team into a winning one....WHY you may ask?? Is because all the good engineers are jumping ship one by one faster than what a LaFerrari does 0 to100.....There is currently NOTHING at Ferrari that will attract any TOP engineer anymore, those days are LONG gone

Ferrari has become the laughingstock of the paddock

Sad but totally true

Oh well if you say so.....

[paolo lalli]

Elkan is more focused on juventas than ferrari.

[paolo lalli]

Rumour has it that the SF ferrari is purely a test mule for the remainder of the season,parts and upgrades will be accesed as to keepers or trash bin its all for next season.The red pen has been run through the season and the SF ferrari.As for the remainder of the season anywhere above P5 is a win anything better highly unlikely.So as xavi said to Charles at the end of Hungarian Gp P7 Charles great result.

[nani_s23]

The problem with ferrari is there not even single positive thing working for them

Pit stops/Strategies/Drivers mistakes/Race pace/Tyres/in season Development……… none of these are perfect.

Even if they have championship winning car next season or coming seasons…. They will fall short due to other dependable departments.

[ntukza]

McLaren can go from pathetic to impressive in 9 races, we need a full season to turn our fortunes around and even then we're not guaranteed.

[PURE PASSION]

On this, I don't worry so much.
IF they are capable of producing a real championship winning car (and upgrade it accordingly), THEN I think thatalot if other defects will come in place.
Now everything is in chaos because we are slow on track and this generates huge pressure in all other departments.
If we start winning stadily everyone will be more relaxed and and have clearer mind to do his job

AND in the end ,if you have a fast car you can always fight in track or in the other race !!!!!!
BUT all this is a dream right now because it will be a miracle for us to produce such car !!!!

[Ferrari312T4]

Speaking to media after the race, Leclerc said he had been experiencing pit-to-car radio issues at the last four races and any apparent conflict with his engineer was a result of that.

"The problem is that we have also a lot of problems with the radio," Leclerc explained. "One out of four words is not understood by my engineer because there is problems with our radio for three or four races.

Even this can't be solved apparently... what's happening in our team?

[Cavallino]

So the car that is in the pipeline now for 2024 should technically be under Fred’s name, NO?? As Binoutto is not there no more....Somehow I doubt Fred will do anything different next year about making/turning this team into a winning one....WHY you may ask?? Is because all the good engineers are jumping ship one by one faster than what a LaFerrari does 0 to100.....There is currently NOTHING at Ferrari that will attract any TOP engineer anymore, those days are LONG gone

Ferrari has become the laughingstock of the paddock

Sad but totally true

if you would have gone further and attacked the heart of the problem of Italy being a socialist country you could have made a good post, but again, just a useless post.

[FerrariF60]

if you would have gone further and attacked the heart of the problem of Italy being a socialist country you could have made a good post, but again, just a useless post.

Your post is f- ing useless, if your blind and cannot see that this team is useless and is running like wagon on 3 wheels
At this rate ( because we’re going nowhere but backwards with the so called upgrades, we’ll more like downgrades if you ask me) we’re gonna win another championship when pigs fly

[Cavallino]

Your post is f- ing useless, if your blind and cannot see that this team is useless and is running like wagon on 3 wheels
At this rate ( because we’re going nowhere but backwards with the so called upgrades, we’ll more like downgrades if you ask me) we’re gonna win another championship when pigs fly

you're just complaining without any direction

why even continue to post?

or you can follow the thread of your thoughts... why is the team useless and running like a wagon on 3 wheels... maybe because they're all guaranteed jobs and pensions regardless of performance? That would actually show some insight rather than sophmoric puerile stream of consciousness ramblings.

or maybe there is something more going on these last couple of races where even Red Bull isn't as mighty as they were...