2023 US GP - Race

[stefa]

CS could get 3rd

[Greig]

Charles not happy, no wonder.

[drax]

P4 and p6

[patrese86]

You had to let Sainz past Charles because he was quicker as you got screwed by your own team..

[stefa]

CS could get 3rd

He cannot!

[drax]

Let’s see if Charles doesn’t loose p6 cause Russel is gaining a lot of time

[stefa]

I really dont want to see LH win!!!

[nani_s23]

It’s better Charles doesn’t put the car on pole. Because these strategists are simply ruining his opportunities during race.

[drax]

P4 and p6 horrible strategy for Charles but I doubt we would get more than P4 and P5

[nani_s23]

From P1 to P6… hmm. Only ferrari can achieve these kind of result

[ferrari1.8t]

So Merc and McLaren start the season with tractors, and end up being able to challenge RedBull with in season development.

And Ferrari? Going backyards and spending their efforts researching new ways to screw Leclerc. Saniz had 0 chance of catching Norris. Garbage call for Ferrari….way to screw your pole setter. Rather than getting a 4-5, you have to help Carlos once again and loose positions because of it. This team is a joke. Can’t design cars, can run a proper strategy, and can’t develop.

[nani_s23]

This is the Nth time they’ve screwed leclerc strategy.

How come Xavi is still able to continue as race engineer for leclerc?

[ferrari1.8t]

This is the Nth time they’ve screwed leclerc strategy.

How come Xavi is still able to continue as race engineer for leclerc?

He needs to be fired. He’s horrible. When it was Carlos on Pole the gave him a great strategy even asked Charles to help him. When Leclerc is on pole they give him the worst possible strategy and didn’t even try to salvage it with help from his teammate. Seems like the whole strategy today was to get Saniz in front of Leclerc.

Let’s all remember the “stop inventing” from Saniz when Leclerc was behind and clearly faster. This team is rotted from the inside. They will never win a race, or a championship with this mentality.

[patrese86]

I don't do the tinfoil hat stuff but the levels of incompetence are staggering. Even when Sainz won in Singapore it was Sainz doing the strategy and managing, not the pitwall.

Ricky ask Carlos if he can catch Norris?? Why are you asking him?? Tell him he can catch him, why does Sainz has to convince his wall, it's completely backwards.

Then you have Xavi asking Charles about strategy when you've ruined his race already, are these guys ******* asleep or what. It's inexcusable and what is Fred doing about it. This is the legacy of Binotto as well.

The result isn't even that bad if you never saw the qualifying positions but it's just awful when we keep shooting ourselves in the foot from these positions.

[Kyss4k]

So Merc and McLaren start the season with tractors, and end up being able to challenge RedBull with in season development.

And Ferrari? Going backyards and spending their efforts researching new ways to screw Leclerc. Saniz had 0 chance of catching Norris. Garbage call for Ferrari….way to screw your pole setter. Rather than getting a 4-5, you have to help Carlos once again and loose positions because of it. This team is a joke. Can’t design cars, can run a proper strategy, and can’t develop.

What's new? Ferrari's in-season development has been a horror for a decade. Looks like our only chance is to somehow get lucky with BrownGP-like year. Start with such a gap to others that when they catch up doring the season, it'll be too late for them.

[Greig]

So Merc and McLaren start the season with tractors, and end up being able to challenge RedBull with in season development.

And Ferrari? Going backyards and spending their efforts researching new ways to screw Leclerc. Saniz had 0 chance of catching Norris. Garbage call for Ferrari….way to screw your pole setter. Rather than getting a 4-5, you have to help Carlos once again and loose positions because of it. This team is a joke. Can’t design cars, can run a proper strategy, and can’t develop.

Ferrari are taking a new direction next season, so there is not much they will develop on a dead end car, while McLaren and Merc are not so they can keep developing. Not that hard to understand. Sainz and Perez would have passed Charles anyway such was the mess of his tyres.

[Greig]

He needs to be fired. He’s horrible. When it was Carlos on Pole the gave him a great strategy even asked Charles to help him. When Leclerc is on pole they give him the worst possible strategy and didn’t even try to salvage it with help from his teammate. Seems like the whole strategy today was to get Saniz in front of Leclerc.

Let’s all remember the “stop inventing” from Saniz when Leclerc was behind and clearly faster. This team is rotted from the inside. They will never win a race, or a championship with this mentality.

Won in Singapore

[ferrari1.8t]

Ferrari are taking a new direction next season, so there is not much they will develop on a dead end car, while McLaren and Merc are not so they can keep developing. Not that hard to understand. Sainz and Perez would have passed Charles anyway such was the mess of his tyres.

Ah the eternal Ferrari defender. What good is a new car direction with the same horrible strategy? We could build a Merc-RedBull type rocket ship and still manage to eff’it up. Fred obviously hasn’t made the necessary adjustments with the pit wall and strategists. Still relying on Xavi is very telling.

You must have been at the edge of your seat anyway, your hero hamilton almost getting a win.

[racingbradley]

I'm saddened by that result but not surprised. Don't really understand Charles' strategy. He needs to do the thinking for the pit wall and be his own strategist just like Carlos was when he was leading the race.

[Greig]

Ah the eternal Ferrari defender. What good is a new car direction with the same horrible strategy? We could build a Merc-RedBull type rocket ship and still manage to eff’it up. Fred obviously hasn’t made the necessary adjustments with the pit wall and strategists. Still relying on Xavi is very telling.

You must have been at the edge of your seat anyway, your hero hamilton almost getting a win.

So rather than address the points made you take a hissy fit and attack me, as expected. If you don't think we need a change of design then so be it, but that sees to be what Ferrari are doing hence this car with 5 races to go is not going to be changing much, yet you still act surprised.

Hamilton seems to be in your thoughts a whole lot more than mine.

[jgonzalesm6]

Leclerc and Hamilton MIGHT be DQ'd from the race due to a plank inspection violation by the FIA.

[ferrari1.8t]

So rather than address the points made you take a hissy fit and attack me, as expected. If you don't think we need a change of design then so be it, but that sees to be what Ferrari are doing hence this car with 5 races to go is not going to be changing much, yet you still act surprised.

Hamilton seems to be in your thoughts a whole lot more than mine.

We definitely need a design/philosophy change. Merc and McLaren both changed the design philosophy of their cars in season. Yet Ferrari is waiting until next year…then likely next rule cycle. My initial point was that it’s sad that other teams can continually out-develop us, and we stand still waiting for the next year. Stop trying to always argue with members rather than calling out Ferrari’s failures.

[ferrari1.8t]

Leclerc and Hamilton MIGHT be DQ'd from the race due to a plank inspection violation by the FIA.

Yup.

https://x.com/autosport/status/17162...fgIER3ucQ6m7KA

But it’s Hamilton, so he will get let off.

[Greig]

Stop trying to always argue with members rather than calling out Ferrari’s failures.

You must have been at the edge of your seat anyway, your hero hamilton almost getting a win.

How is that for trying to argue.....

Be a big boy and accept Ferrari have given up on this years car.

[jgonzalesm6]

Yup.

https://x.com/autosport/status/17162...fgIER3ucQ6m7KA

But it’s Hamilton, so he will get let off.

Schumacher @ Belgium 1994 for the same violation and he was DQ'd......fyi.

[ferrari1.8t]

How is that for trying to argue.....

Be a big boy and accept Ferrari have given up on this years car.

Yup, they have given up on it when their competitors haven’t. Typical Ferrari; always next year or next rule cycle. Rinse and repeat.

And like I said, the car is the least of their worries. Even with a competitive car they seem more concerned with helping one driver and his sponsors rather than getting the most points for the team. The whole forum can see the bias towards Saniz but you. Anyway, I digress.

Here’s to 2024, or 2026…or 2030…..or……….

[ferrari1.8t]

Schumacher @ Belgium 1994 for the same violation and he was DQ'd......fyi.

Schumacher is not Hamilton. Hamilton crashed into his teammate, and walked across and active racetrack and got a slap on the wrist. Barely a discussion from the pundits, stewards etc.

Edit - both have been disqualified. I’m at a loss, can’t believe it. The pain keeps getting worse for Ferrari and Leclerc

https://x.com/autosport/status/17162...fgIER3ucQ6m7KA

[jgonzalesm6]

BREAKING NEWS

Leclerc and Hamilton have been DQ'd from the race.

[tifosi1993]

So they saved 2 sets of mediums and one set of hards and decided to implement one stop strategy for Charles before the race? Yeah, only a team like Failrrari...I mean Ferrari would do that.

People would say that at the end of the day the strategy didn't matter because of the DSQ, but I'd say it did matter. It pretty much highlighted again that nothing has really changed. It's the same old dysfunctional team. They have already gone through four team principals in last 10 years, they may go through another four or five in this decade, but the culture will remain the safe.

[tifosi1993]

This is the Nth time they’ve screwed leclerc strategy.

How come Xavi is still able to continue as race engineer for leclerc?

Charles is also not entirely blameless. Drivers like Alonso or Max would've straightened out Xavi a long time ago. They would've criticized his incompetence on the team radio and demanded change publicly. But Charles is too mellow.

Frankly speaking, I don't think Charles has the mentality of a WDC. Look at Max, even when he is driving for one of the best team in F1 history, he still gets pissy on the radio. Simply cause Max wants perfection from his team. Charles on the other hand does nothing. Even Sainz calls out Ferrari's brain dead strategy time and time out on the radio but we hardly hear anything similar from Charles.

But at the end of the day it doesn't matter. A team like current Ferrari simply can't beat a team like current Red Bull. Comparing Ferrari with Red Bull is like comparing an analogue machine with an advanced AI. The current Red Bull team is way ahead of Ferrari in every department.