SF-24 Challenger Discussion Thread

**Silent Bob** · 27th February 2024, 15:01

Ferrari has to be aggressive with updates. They really need to come out hard and push RedBull, make every race hard. If RBR are allowed to cruise like last year, it will be very tough to catch them up again.

**tifosi1993** · 27th February 2024, 15:07

https://formu1a.uno/haas-la-nuova-pull-rod-posteriore-ferrari-e-molto-piu-stretta-nella-parte-bassa/

Ferrari's redesigned rear suspension is innovative and a big step forward.

**Cavallino** · 27th February 2024, 17:37

if RedBull still has anything more than 1 tenth in hand on race pace then 2 things...

the cost cap isn't working
the penalty for breaching the cost cap was not severe enough

**Cavallino** · 27th February 2024, 17:40

Originally Posted by tifosi1993

https://formu1a.uno/haas-la-nuova-pull-rod-posteriore-ferrari-e-molto-piu-stretta-nella-parte-bassa/

Ferrari's redesigned rear suspension is innovative and a big step forward.

Ferrari isn't getting enough credit for the rear suspension...

Will Buxton was saying "Red Bull must know the 2023 concept has a ceiling because they have this new 2024 concept, so all the teams chasing which have all copied the 2023 concept aren't going to be able to catch Red Bull"

well no, Ferrari didn't copy at all. They didn't do what Mercedes did and just completely copy the same exact suspension philsophy. Ferrari is in a much better position to do what it appears they have done, correct tyre wear, add downforce, without losing what made the two preceeding cars fundamentally quick.

**Aviamata** · 28th February 2024, 02:43

Originally Posted by Cavallino

if RedBull still has anything more than 1 tenth in hand on race pace then 2 things...

the cost cap isn't working
the penalty for breaching the cost cap was not severe enough

Feel like we're in 2000s situation where FIA can't control the TCS so they just allow them to uses it . Same situation with cost cap as i suspect RB hypercar project can be used to find new ideas for F1 design

**Tony** · 28th February 2024, 02:46

Originally Posted by tifosi1993

https://formu1a.uno/haas-la-nuova-pull-rod-posteriore-ferrari-e-molto-piu-stretta-nella-parte-bassa/

Ferrari's redesigned rear suspension is innovative and a big step forward.

Read that article earlier, also read James Key from Sauber mention that he was surprised Ferrari stayed with the push rod because the pull rod was "clearly faster"... At this point we might as well just wait, we'll have a better idea this weekend. All I can say is I'm sick of the rule changes that prevented Ferrari's domination in the interest of what was "good" for the sport, yet Mercedes and Red Bull (twice) have been allowed to just walk away with everything for the last 15 years...

Hypocrisy at its finest...

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/s...sion/10580328/

**Aviamata** · 28th February 2024, 16:52

Charles said the car is still understeer a little bit

**jgonzalesm6** · 28th February 2024, 17:05

Originally Posted by Aviamata

Charles said the car is still understeer a little bit

Charles Leclerc: "The SF-24 is a very different car from the F1-75 but in terms of handling and how it reacts to adjustments it is much more similar. In terms of balance it is however a different car."

source: https://twitter.com/SmilexTech/statu...51599666258208

**FerrariF60** · 28th February 2024, 20:08

Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6

Charles Leclerc: "The SF-24 is a very different car from the F1-75 but in terms of handling and how it reacts to adjustments it is much more similar. In terms of balance it is however a different car."

source: https://twitter.com/SmilexTech/statu...51599666258208

so is that mean in a good and positive way??? or different in crappy way

**jgonzalesm6** · 28th February 2024, 20:50

Originally Posted by FerrariF60

so is that mean in a good and positive way??? or different in crappy way

Positive way.

**FerrariF60** · 28th February 2024, 20:56

Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6

Positive way.

**subfire91** · 28th February 2024, 21:01

Originally Posted by Aviamata

Charles said the car is still understeer a little bit

"A bit" is fixable.

Through in season development and setup refinements.

SF-23 understeer was not.

**Aviamata** · 29th February 2024, 00:07

New bodywork is being developed in wind tunnel
(live Twitch via @formu1a__uno)

Fred Vasseur is really pushing hard to take risk

**tifosi1993** · 29th February 2024, 04:20

Originally Posted by Aviamata

Charles said the car is still understeer a little bit

Ground effect cars are inherently understeery due to their weight and how the ground effect works. The trick is to reduce that understeer through the suspension/setup and make it more manageable, which is what Charles was saying.

**Cavallino** · 29th February 2024, 05:27

Originally Posted by tifosi1993

Ground effect cars are inherently understeery due to their weight and how the ground effect works. The trick is to reduce that understeer through the suspension/setup and make it more manageable, which is what Charles was saying.

yes, and Red Bull achieves this, and the more they push it in that direction, the worse they make the car for Chico.

This will be the weakness of Red Bull we need to force their hand with.

**tifosi1993** · 29th February 2024, 06:23

Originally Posted by Cavallino

yes, and Red Bull achieves this, and the more they push it in that direction, the worse they make the car for Chico.

This will be the weakness of Red Bull we need to force their hand with.

A very pointy car with high downforce and mechanical oversteer will always be the fastest.

**tifosi1993** · 29th February 2024, 06:39

**tifosi1993** · 1st March 2024, 06:01

So according to some rumours, the current 066/12 engine has 25HP more than last year's 066/10. Now, I expect Ferrari to gain some horsepower with reliability upgrades over the winter, but 25 seems like a way higher number.

But if it is true, then we have a "bomba" of a PU in our disposal.

**Aviamata** · 1st March 2024, 06:53

Originally Posted by tifosi1993

So according to some rumours, the current 066/12 engine has 25HP more than last year's 066/10. Now, I expect Ferrari to gain some horsepower with reliability upgrades over the winter, but 25 seems like a way higher number.

But if it is true, then we have a "bomba" of a PU in our disposal.

This is our style of work since Binotto, just made a really strong engine and gradually fix the reliability so we can tunning up full power after that so engine freezes don't hold back us too much

**subfire91** · 1st March 2024, 07:57

Originally Posted by tifosi1993

So according to some rumours, the current 066/12 engine has 25HP more than last year's 066/10. Now, I expect Ferrari to gain some horsepower with reliability upgrades over the winter, but 25 seems like a way higher number.

But if it is true, then we have a "bomba" of a PU in our disposal.

i dont believe it either. The current engine have come more or less to a plateau as their been here since 2014. If indeed they did gain 25 is MASSIVE gains.

I will be happy with 10 which again is big gains if they indeed found something.

**PURE PASSION** · 1st March 2024, 09:40

Originally Posted by tifosi1993

So according to some rumours, the current 066/12 engine has 25HP more than last year's 066/10. Now, I expect Ferrari to gain some horsepower with reliability upgrades over the winter, but 25 seems like a way higher number.

But if it is true, then we have a "bomba" of a PU in our disposal.

Man its SO GOOD TO BE TRUE!!!!!
It will be fantastic but unfortunately can't believe it. Maybe something like 5 to 10 would be more logical. And even this is a very good gain for a frozen engine.

**djmorin27** · 1st March 2024, 12:21

do we know if ferrari took rb brake idea and put it on this years car.remember reading months ago that rb brake design was all about weight saving and lowering the center of gravity.think there rotors were smaller and was able to recover more eletic power from it

**Tony** · 2nd March 2024, 02:54

Originally Posted by subfire91

i dont believe it either. The current engine have come more or less to a plateau as their been here since 2014. If indeed they did gain 25 is MASSIVE gains.

I will be happy with 10 which again is big gains if they indeed found something.

I think there were gains to be made from fuel this year if I'm not mistaken?

**Brembo** · 2nd March 2024, 03:17

Ferrari's biggest challenge this season will be Charles vs Carlos. I'm sure the points will mount up big time! And Sr Lewis over @ Merc working to reach 8. Hopefully Max will not have another no challenge season.

**Aviamata** · 2nd March 2024, 06:03

Ferrari: the SF-24 with a lot of aerodynamic load.

The Ferrari SF-24 confirmed that it found plenty of energy and was best in medium speed corners. Also challenging Red Bull and McLaren in the high-speed corners . At the start of Q1, Sainz felt particularly comfortable, but during the other two sessions, it was Leclerc who recorded the two best times with the SF-24. he problem that the SF-24 has suffered throughout the weekend, so far, has been the stretch between turn 1 and the exit of turn 3, where the SF-24 still reveals itself a little behind for the drivers who pay, only in this sequence, from 2 to 4 tenths. The new front mechanics and aerodynamics still need to be refined and the greater anti-dive gives a loss of sensitivity during more abrupt braking. The SF-24 is still a little difficult to turn when a large steering angle is required. However, the SF-24 also showed that it had a lot of aerodynamic downforce, also taking into account the choice of a slightly flatter rear wing than its direct competitors which also limited the gap in a straight line to 1 -2 km/h compared to the RB reference. The significant aerodynamic load then made the SF-24 the benchmark in almost all other corners, allowing Sainz and Leclerc to recover what they had lost at the start of the lap with a large sector 2. The Ferrari SF-24 proved to be the best in medium speed corners where last year the RB19 dominated and the SF-23 suffered greatly. In the last two laps of Q3, the SF-24 had an advantage of 3 to 7 km/h over the RB20.The SF-24 is also very close to the best at high speed, but with a lower charge level. The tires and hybrid also proved to be in excellent condition until the end of the lap, a positive indication also from a racing point of view.

**Kyss4k** · 2nd March 2024, 19:59

Originally Posted by Aviamata

Ferrari: the SF-24 with a lot of aerodynamic load.

The Ferrari SF-24 confirmed that it found plenty of energy and was best in medium speed corners. Also challenging Red Bull and McLaren in the high-speed corners . At the start of Q1, Sainz felt particularly comfortable, but during the other two sessions, it was Leclerc who recorded the two best times with the SF-24. he problem that the SF-24 has suffered throughout the weekend, so far, has been the stretch between turn 1 and the exit of turn 3, where the SF-24 still reveals itself a little behind for the drivers who pay, only in this sequence, from 2 to 4 tenths. The new front mechanics and aerodynamics still need to be refined and the greater anti-dive gives a loss of sensitivity during more abrupt braking. The SF-24 is still a little difficult to turn when a large steering angle is required. However, the SF-24 also showed that it had a lot of aerodynamic downforce, also taking into account the choice of a slightly flatter rear wing than its direct competitors which also limited the gap in a straight line to 1 -2 km/h compared to the RB reference. The significant aerodynamic load then made the SF-24 the benchmark in almost all other corners, allowing Sainz and Leclerc to recover what they had lost at the start of the lap with a large sector 2. The Ferrari SF-24 proved to be the best in medium speed corners where last year the RB19 dominated and the SF-23 suffered greatly. In the last two laps of Q3, the SF-24 had an advantage of 3 to 7 km/h over the RB20.The SF-24 is also very close to the best at high speed, but with a lower charge level. The tires and hybrid also proved to be in excellent condition until the end of the lap, a positive indication also from a racing point of view.

Best news I've heard this year!

**elnano14** · 2nd March 2024, 22:45

So the SF-24 seems to struggle in low speed corner that need heavy rotation at the moment, hence the gap at turn 1-2 Bahrain was very big

**Aviamata** · 3rd March 2024, 16:58

Ferrari with it's newly designed SF-24, has a clear development path laid out.

The target for the first major upgrades remain round 4 of the championships. Ferrari feel the progression curve of it's 24 challenger might proof an annoyance to the Milton Keynes outfit.

https://www.funoanalisitecnica.com/2...update-f1.html

**Cavallino** · 5th March 2024, 15:02

Originally Posted by Aviamata

Ferrari with it's newly designed SF-24, has a clear development path laid out.

The target for the first major upgrades remain round 4 of the championships. Ferrari feel the progression curve of it's 24 challenger might proof an annoyance to the Milton Keynes outfit.

https://www.funoanalisitecnica.com/2...update-f1.html

the same site seems high on our chance in Jeddah. Honestly, why not? Hopefully Leclerc will have a clean race and we can start to Rubenize Sainz.